Patch 9.2 Eternity's End PTR - Cypher Progression System Preview

This system looks more like something they should have kept for a brand new expansion. It both feel interesting and new, and super disconnected from the rest of what we did in Shadowlands so far. The whole patch looks like the setting of a new expansion to be honest...

Originally Posted by gosuabbbff

That word and "borrowed power" means nothing at all and 95% of player feedback is retarded, you give too much credit to it. The problem isn't the systems.. it's the grind. Essences were great, nice to use, but the grind was awful especially for alts. You were forced to do content you don't like, which is not the case in Shadowlands at all. Corruptions were fun too except in PvP. Kyrian covenant miniboss is fun, but the grind is hell. Personally I like this kind of content, it's a bit like the one in Mechagon except more sophisticated. Don't understand what people are crying about in this thread, this one doesn't even seem mandatory apart from dual legendary and flying mount.

Systems serve the grind, at least in this game. The only system I recall being a “fun” grind was Suramar, because, surprise, following an endless chain quest is more fun than doing the same 20 dailies for months and kill some rares in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by FelPlague

I love how everyone is crying and screaming about a 100% optional system with zero player power locked behind it.

I’m just wondering why they spent so much time for a 100% optional system with zero player power locked behind it when they could have spent the same amount of time for a X% optional system with player power locked behind it.

This game desperately needs player power alternatives not bound to the triad or to boring endless grinds.

Originally Posted by Biomega

I mean, you're definitely not wrong, but given the usual development pipeline for content of this magnitude this has probably been in development for over a year, potentially even before SL launched. So the system bloat and people's umbrage with Systemlands was not yet as pronounced when they set out the roadmap for this patch.

These developments cycles have huge inertia, it's not easy to just quickly turn things around and go in a different direction. It's easy for a designer to just say "okay do something else" and sketch it out in an afternoon, but the amount of art, code, etc. that goes into patches like this takes so long to make you can't just call an audible this far into things.

Which isn't meant to exculpate the predatory design aspects of yet another time-eating system, of course. But it's understandable why they wouldn't just instantly come out with something very different, when this has already been in production for so long.

Agreed, however they could change the grindy aspect of it by making the times shorter. That is a simple code change.

I didn't even read this shit, I just saw all these images of moar systems, the last thing this xpac needs

IT'S LIKE GIVING A DROWNING MAN SOME WATER N TELL HIM NOT TO GET DRY THROAT! FUDGE OFF!!

Originally Posted by chiddie

I’m just wondering why they spent so much time for a 100% optional system with zero player power locked behind it when they could have spent the same amount of time for a X% optional system with player power locked behind it.

This game desperately needs player power alternatives not bound to the triad or to boring endless grinds.

Wasn't that the opposite of the feedback they received? Do not put player power behind convoluted and time gated systems? Or associate new features with player power? - see Torghast

Another over-complicated and timegated system that will survive 1 major patch.

Originally Posted by Maell

Wasn't that the opposite of the feedback they received? Do not put player power behind convoluted and time gated systems? Or associate new features with player power? - see Torghast

It’s all about exclusivity. Alternative methods to get player power are more than welcomed, if you are not FORCED to do them because of specific powers tied with those systems only.

It’s not players fault if this game is ALL about player power and nothing else.

you guys are something else, wathever they do is not right. you wanted a reason to play around the world and not only doing raid e dungeons, now you have something new which can be a nice idea and you start bithcing about Omg A NeW sISTEMmm

Originally Posted by Akta

you guys are something else, wathever they do is not right. you wanted a reason to play around the world and not only doing raid e dungeons, now you have something new which can be a nice idea and you start bithcing about Omg A NeW sISTEMmm

A new single-patch system coming from a company that has a stellar history of success with those*. Fixed that for ya, my brown-nosed friend.

Originally Posted by Aydinx2

A game designer really looked at this and thought "players will find this fun to do" huh.

Oh it has nothing to do with fun, all WoW design first and foremost is "How many days can this last?" (In this case, 63) long before "Will players find this fun?". That's the key distinction in modern WoW. They used to work out how to make something fun enough to bring people back for 40 days, now they work out how to make a checkbox system last 40 days then think of some mechanics to tie to it after the fact. They probably knew this system would last 63 days before they even knew what it was called or what exactly it would do.

Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles

I didn't even read this shit, I just saw all these images of moar systems, the last thing this xpac needs

IT'S LIKE GIVING A DROWNING MAN SOME WATER N TELL HIM NOT TO GET DRY THROAT! FUDGE OFF!!

I busted up laughing..... thank you

Originally Posted by FelPlague

I love how everyone is crying and screaming about a 100% optional system with zero player power locked behind it.

A few perks also seem to be missing, such as the ones that unlock flying in Zereth Mortis and the ability to wear 2 legendaries at the same time.

Optional system to get flying.

You never cease to amaze me.

Blizzard has a learning disability of epic proportions. When you distill and poll the complaints and concerns of WOW players, it comes down to two specific things: parasitic systems and gated content. And, the two aforementioned concerns fall under the umbrella of a time synch business model. Blizzard is unquestionably designing WOW based on a time synch business model and not based on what is fun and they do so under the guise of progression. This is nothing new. Blizzard has been doing this since WOD when they introduced mission tables at launch then doubled down in 6.2 with mission tables on the sea. They talk about how all of these interconnected systems (covenants, soul binds, conduits, legos, set bonuses) leverage dmg into the stratosphere and then decide it's a GREAT idea to introduce a new one in the next patch. A logical person with a brain can only possibly conclude one of two things here. 1) the Blizzard Devs are completely incompetent and off the rails with regard to the core of WOW. 2) the Blizzard Devs are hampered by Activision or maybe the brass at Blizzard or perhaps even both to commit game design to parasitic systems. Doesn't matter what the answer is - they both suck for the player base and the longevity of the game.

If you don't believe me or disagree - simply look at the sub #'s as well as the general consensus of the sentiment of WOW's game design and overall direction. My argument and on-going concern does not float if either of the aforementioned beam in a positive light.

blizzard be like

I want to thank the devs for continuing to avoid giving even a hint of a reason I might like to resub.

Originally Posted by Mhyroth

Optional system to get flying.

You never cease to amaze me.

She has to defend Blizzard and Wow , her YouTube channel depends on Wow .

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This us the longest i have ever been unsubbed from Wow. Nothing I have seen interests me in coming back at all

Originally Posted by Mhyroth

Optional system to get flying.

You never cease to amaze me.

It does not have flying behind it dude.
show me where flying is unlocked in this list of things. please. i would love to see the flying in this list of unlocks.
cause if you actually did your research yo uwould know they never said flying/legendary would be locked behind the cipher, just that you would unlock them, and we now know they very likely come from completing the story campaign NOT the cipher.

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Originally Posted by Dystemper

She has to defend Blizzard and Wow , her YouTube channel depends on Wow .

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This us the longest i have ever been unsubbed from Wow. Nothing I have seen interests me in coming back at all

i mean i can easily switch to D&D or yugioh.
but pleas,e i would LOVE if you could show me where flying is unlocked here, please show me the cipher unlock that says "unlocks flying"

lmao, I'll stick with FF14

Originally Posted by chiddie

Systems serve the grind, at least in this game. The only system I recall being a “fun” grind was Suramar, because, surprise, following an endless chain quest is more fun than doing the same 20 dailies for months and kill some rares in the meantime.

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I’m just wondering why they spent so much time for a 100% optional system with zero player power locked behind it when they could have spent the same amount of time for a X% optional system with player power locked behind it.

This game desperately needs player power alternatives not bound to the triad or to boring endless grinds.

you want MORE systems with player power locked behind it? lolol, of all the places for us to put systems, it should be the optional stuff with no player power behind it.

OMG OMG OMG!!!! A brand spanking new, convoluted SYSTEM!!!! Just what everyone asked for.
Damn ActiBlizz. Just damn...