Coming Later This Year: Shadowlands Season 4

Originally Posted by Ilnez

Wow, so those of us without Dom slots and fully upgraded dom gems just... have to quit the game in Season 4?

Good design.

Not very clever are you? Why would they exclude players when the entire purpose of this event is to draw players in?

I don't like where this is going. When an xpac ends, I clean up all the weak auras and other garbage I made along the way to help in there in raids and especially dungeons. But more importantly, I delete them from my head, because there's limited space there. I don't want to remember the exquisite details of return to Karazhan for a decade. Hell, I'm lucky timewalking is usually pretty easy, because to be honest, romping through MoP dungeons is an exercise in repressed memories. I got Tazavesh because I accidentally queued for a random heroic instead of TW and for a long time I was like, I really don't remember this place at all, but I guess I'll go with it.

This is fine for a random heroic or TW but for a M+? Forget that. I got enough problems with the existing dungeons, thanks. Start of Xpac is always the most stressful time for me as I have to learn multiple dungeons and a raid and usually new skills or talents or whatever godawful system they added... But it's offset because it's often fun, new stuff and backed by some semblance of a story, or at least the promise of one.

I don't hate recycled content, I used to get a lot of enjoyment out of farming stuff solo and collecting transmogs etc, but if it's also extremely challenging where you need to study it (or worse, "required" content to fill out gear/vault), combined with the often toxic cesspool that M+ pugging can be, no thanks. Maybe I'm just old and forgetful. I can accept that too. But this also sounds like a move towards less content and more recycling and for a subscription-based game there's really no excuse to cheap out like that. Just my .02.

I like this idea. Makes previous content not so obsolete.

I missed out on raiding Nathria, so this is good! I'll get a chance to raid it competitively after all.

Originally Posted by Jester Joe

So you have literally no reason to say this, but you're just going on a tirade for the reason of hate.

You failed to back it up with any form of logic at all even.

lmfao they're literally calling it seasons, dude. They're literally calling things seasons and with how much they've been losing subs, I can absolutely see them introducing paid seasons in a desperate attempt to make money. And if the Microsoft deal goes through after the FTC investigation? It's guaranteed to happen. Just look at what MS did with Halo Infinite.

Guess no wow next expanion for another year and a half =/

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

lmfao they're literally calling it seasons, dude. They're literally calling things seasons and with how much they've been losing subs, I can absolutely see them introducing paid seasons in a desperate attempt to make money. And if the Microsoft deal goes through after the FTC investigation? It's guaranteed to happen. Just look at what MS did with Halo Infinite.

How much more are you going to double down on showing that you haven't paid attention to WoW in years lol

PvP has always used the terms seasons.

PvE has been using it since the start of BfA.

Like, you're going down the weirdest direction with this, but i mean a lot of complaints do seem to come from players who are so far out of the loop that they don't know what's actually going on.

Originally Posted by -Zo-

I don't like where this is going. When an xpac ends, I clean up all the weak auras and other garbage I made along the way to help in there in raids and especially dungeons. But more importantly, I delete them from my head, because there's limited space there. I don't want to remember the exquisite details of return to Karazhan for a decade. Hell, I'm lucky timewalking is usually pretty easy, because to be honest, romping through MoP dungeons is an exercise in repressed memories. I got Tazavesh because I accidentally queued for a random heroic instead of TW and for a long time I was like, I really don't remember this place at all, but I guess I'll go with it.

This is fine for a random heroic or TW but for a M+? Forget that. I got enough problems with the existing dungeons, thanks. Start of Xpac is always the most stressful time for me as I have to learn multiple dungeons and a raid and usually new skills or talents or whatever godawful system they added... But it's offset because it's often fun, new stuff and backed by some semblance of a story, or at least the promise of one.

I don't hate recycled content, I used to get a lot of enjoyment out of farming stuff solo and collecting transmogs etc, but if it's also extremely challenging where you need to study it (or worse, "required" content to fill out gear/vault), combined with the often toxic cesspool that M+ pugging can be, no thanks. Maybe I'm just old and forgetful. I can accept that too. But this also sounds like a move towards less content and more recycling and for a subscription-based game there's really no excuse to cheap out like that. Just my .02.

I just wanted to reply to you that I have this problem too. An example for me was when Legion timewalking came, and in that dungeon where near the end you need to find the demon in disguise (I forget the name, it's 4 am and brain no work). I play a DH and my group were waiting for me to use spectral sight to find the traitor or whatever, and I just stood there like a donkey until someone whispered me asking me to do it. I'd completely forgotten everything about that dungeon, and the thought of having to relearn all that stuff gives me anxiety. That said I can live with getting anxiety from it.

But at the same time, there is so much good content just sitting there not being used, all in all I still think it's good they're going to re-use it.

Originally Posted by Nerph-

I just wanted to reply to you that I have this problem too. An example for me was when Legion timewalking came, and in that dungeon where near the end you need to find the demon in disguise (I forget the name, it's 4 am and brain no work). I play a DH and my group were waiting for me to use spectral sight to find the traitor or whatever, and I just stood there like a donkey until someone whispered me asking me to do it. I'd completely forgotten everything about that dungeon, and the thought of having to relearn all that stuff gives me anxiety. That said I can live with getting anxiety from it.

But at the same time, there is so much good content just sitting there not being used, all in all I still think it's good they're going to re-use it.

Maybe both of you should play games less taxing on the mind and more firm in the ruleset. Like Checkers.

Originally Posted by slime

only person excited by this change is henry winkler.

P.s. Those sound like the worst mythic + changes ever. And, i don't even raid but that seasonal raiding sounds epically bad as well.

Hey! No need to get the Fonz involved in this!

Originally Posted by Jester Joe

How much more are you going to double down on showing that you haven't paid attention to WoW in years lol

PvP has always used the terms seasons.

PvE has been using it since the start of BfA.

Like, you're going down the weirdest direction with this, but i mean a lot of complaints do seem to come from players who are so far out of the loop that they don't know what's actually going on.

How much more are you going to purposely not read what I'm saying? Again, I'm saying that PAID seasons are going to introduced. Read it very fucking slowly this time.

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

How much more are you going to purposely not read what I'm saying? Again, I'm saying that PAID seasons are going to introduced. Read it very fucking slowly this time.

They're not

You have no reason to say that.
There's absolutely no logic to saying it

It's about as useful as me saying Blizzard is going to convert to being a fast food joint.

THAT is the point. What you're saying has no logic behind it beyond again, adding to the negativity that's already rampant. I'm reading what you're saying, you're missing that I'm saying it's useless to post

Originally Posted by Jester Joe

They're not

You have no reason to say that.
There's absolutely no logic to saying it

It's about as useful as me saying Blizzard is going to convert to being a fast food joint.

THAT is the point. What you're saying has no logic behind it beyond again, adding to the negativity that's already rampant. I'm reading what you're saying, you're missing that I'm saying it's useless to post

I wasn't aware you work for Blizzard and can say with 100% certainty that I'm wrong.

Nice false equivalence with that fast food comment.

ActiBlizz is getting bought up by Microsoft. MS has added paid seasons to A LOT of their games. You're clearly NOT reading what I'm saying or you're just trying to be contrary for the sake of being contrary. And the "rampant negativity" isn't just random hate. It's 100% justified since the last two expansions have been total garbage. I can absolutely see Blizzard trying to invoke FOMO with paid season passes to try and draw people back into the game. Just because you're not willing to say anything negative about Blizzard doesn't mean anyone criticizing Blizzard/WoW is just throwing a random negativity.

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

I wasn't aware you work for Blizzard and can say with 100% certainty that I'm wrong.

Nice false equivalence with that fast food comment.

ActiBlizz is getting bought up by Microsoft. MS has added paid seasons to A LOT of their games. You're clearly NOT reading what I'm saying or you're just trying to be contrary for the sake of being contrary. And the "rampant negativity" isn't just random hate. It's 100% justified since the last two expansions have been total garbage. I can absolutely see Blizzard trying to invoke FOMO with paid season passes to try and draw people back into the game. Just because you're not willing to say anything negative about Blizzard doesn't mean anyone criticizing Blizzard/WoW is just throwing a random negativity.

I asked you for one piece of evidence to prove your point.

You instead started going at me about how I must not know what season passes are, and berated me. You're in no spot to tell someone else that someone else they can't speak with 100% confidence. And there is no false equivalence, you have absolutely nothing to stand on for what you're claiming. It's just irrational hate. You can spew whatever you'd like to justify it, but it's just rambling at the end of the day that has no reasoning and you keep falling back to personal jabs instead.

WoW has had seasons for a long time now. There's absolutely nothing about this to make one think "oh, season pass!". And the weird idea that Microsoft is going to add a season pass on them is even weirder when almost every game that has one on the Xbox isn't even made by Microsoft themselves, like Halo or Call of Duty Warzone. They're also, off the top of my head, overwhelmingly free to play games.

But there's no point in discussing this when you fail to even understand how it's so weird to try to claim they'll sell season passes and then instead of being able to give something that shows that in game, you keep giving weird insults and nothing to prove your point, so I'm just stopping on that.

Originally Posted by Jester Joe

I asked you for one piece of evidence to prove your point.

You instead started going at me about how I must not know what season passes are, and berated me. You're in no spot to tell someone else that someone else they can't speak with 100% confidence. And there is no false equivalence, you have absolutely nothing to stand on for what you're claiming. It's just irrational hate. You can spew whatever you'd like to justify it, but it's just rambling at the end of the day that has no reasoning and you keep falling back to personal jabs instead.

WoW has had seasons for a long time now. There's absolutely nothing about this to make one think "oh, season pass!". And the weird idea that Microsoft is going to add a season pass on them is even weirder when almost every game that has one on the Xbox isn't even made by Microsoft themselves, like Halo or Call of Duty Warzone. They're also, off the top of my head, overwhelmingly free to play games.

But there's no point in discussing this when you fail to even understand how it's so weird to try to claim they'll sell season passes and then instead of being able to give something that shows that in game, you keep giving weird insults and nothing to prove your point, so I'm just stopping on that.

Again, just because you are utterly unwilling to say anything negative about WoW doesn't mean what I'm saying is irrational hatred. I've explained my point and you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming about "irrational hatred". And it's fucking hilarious that you try to say I don't know what I'm talking about when you make an asinine comment like saying Halo isn't made by Microsoft. Halo's publisher is Xbox Game Studios which is part of Microsoft's gaming division.

So maybe you really should stop because it is clear you are not educated on this topic. Made learn what a season pass is in other games and how games under Microsoft got them when they didn't need them.

Originally Posted by PingPong

Guess no wow next expanion for another year and a half =/

That would be the case with or without season 4. All these years the last patch before new xpac has been a long wait. Atleast this time something "new" happens that players can do.

Usually it would be doing the same raid/dungeon for 12+ months. Now its that + something more.

So its an improvement.

Originally Posted by Jester Joe

I asked you for one piece of evidence to prove your point.

You instead started going at me about how I must not know what season passes are, and berated me. You're in no spot to tell someone else that someone else they can't speak with 100% confidence. And there is no false equivalence, you have absolutely nothing to stand on for what you're claiming. It's just irrational hate. You can spew whatever you'd like to justify it, but it's just rambling at the end of the day that has no reasoning and you keep falling back to personal jabs instead.

WoW has had seasons for a long time now. There's absolutely nothing about this to make one think "oh, season pass!". And the weird idea that Microsoft is going to add a season pass on them is even weirder when almost every game that has one on the Xbox isn't even made by Microsoft themselves, like Halo or Call of Duty Warzone. They're also, off the top of my head, overwhelmingly free to play games.

But there's no point in discussing this when you fail to even understand how it's so weird to try to claim they'll sell season passes and then instead of being able to give something that shows that in game, you keep giving weird insults and nothing to prove your point, so I'm just stopping on that.

The irony, I legit feel bad for you trying to use logic on this clown.

I love how they pulled the classic doomer line. "You don't work for blizzard therefore you don't know".

All while pulling bullshit out of their ass with zero critical thinking and zero logic while working themselves up into some "blizzurd bad" mental clusterfuck. The insecurities are hilarious.

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

I wasn't aware you work for Blizzard and can say with 100% certainty that I'm wrong.

Nice false equivalence with that fast food comment.

ActiBlizz is getting bought up by Microsoft. MS has added paid seasons to A LOT of their games. You're clearly NOT reading what I'm saying or you're just trying to be contrary for the sake of being contrary. And the "rampant negativity" isn't just random hate. It's 100% justified since the last two expansions have been total garbage. I can absolutely see Blizzard trying to invoke FOMO with paid season passes to try and draw people back into the game. Just because you're not willing to say anything negative about Blizzard doesn't mean anyone criticizing Blizzard/WoW is just throwing a random negativity.

If you are going to use MS as your “evil corp” bs, at least use an example of an MMORPG they ready own. MS owns ESO. ESO doesn’t have “paid seasons”.

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Originally Posted by crusadernero

That would be the case with or without season 4. All these years the last patch before new xpac has been a long wait. Atleast this time something "new" happens that players can do.

Usually it would be doing the same raid/dungeon for 12+ months. Now its that + something more.

So its an improvement.

I disagree. What I like about raids, compared to keys, is that once the tier is done, the raid is done. I don’t have to go back. I think it’s the wrong direction introducing affixes to raids and if this is the new norm for the next expansion, it might be the reason why I quit.

Originally Posted by Soikona

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I disagree. What I like about raids, compared to keys, is that once the tier is done, the raid is done. I don’t have to go back. I think it’s the wrong direction introducing affixes to raids and if this is the new norm for the next expansion, it might be the reason why I quit.

Yeah, I get that. Its a fair point. I think this might be an effort from Blizzards part to make "old" raids relevant again in a xpac. For years for every patch, the old raid is 100% useless except from meta-achivs. Maybe this is a sign of Blizzard making all raids in a xpac relevant in some way from 10.0? When a new raid is live, the old one stays relevant with affixes or whatever. Now i'll say this - the idea is good, but making everything harder might not be the solution to this.

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

Again, just because you are utterly unwilling to say anything negative about WoW doesn't mean what I'm saying is irrational hatred. I've explained my point and you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming about "irrational hatred". And it's fucking hilarious that you try to say I don't know what I'm talking about when you make an asinine comment like saying Halo isn't made by Microsoft. Halo's publisher is Xbox Game Studios which is part of Microsoft's gaming division.

So maybe you really should stop because it is clear you are not educated on this topic. Made learn what a season pass is in other games and how games under Microsoft got them when they didn't need them.

Do you also think Pokemon is made by Nintendo?
Just curious now how far your logic goes.

Originally Posted by Caerrona

The irony, I legit feel bad for you trying to use logic on this clown.

I love how they pulled the classic doomer line. "You don't work for blizzard therefore you don't know".

All while pulling bullshit out of their ass with zero critical thinking and zero logic while working themselves up into some "blizzurd bad" mental clusterfuck. The insecurities are hilarious.

My major confusion that always comes from situations like this is that usually it falls back to comments like "well you're just a white knight/won't say anything bad about blizzard!!!".

Which is always easily proven false but it's like if you dare to toe against all negativity, suddenly you're worse than satan