Echo Claims World First Mythic Jailer - Sepulcher of the First Ones
Sepulcher of the First Ones has been cleared on Mythic difficulty by Echo! Congratulations to them!



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World First Mythic Jailer - Echo Raid Composition

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  1. spekkio7's Avatar
    Grats to Echo...I just wanted the best team to win. Good on Liquid for taking the lose well and congratulating them. I think it's times like these when they realize they need each other. Liquid was at their limit and I think Max nailed it when he said it's taxing working from behind, especially at that point in the race.

    I enjoyed this race but what I didn't like is all the negativity surrounding it - "it's too long", "it's too hard/artificially difficult(???)", "the fights suck", "The Jailer is boring to watch" (disagree), "legendries should have been available from the beginning", "it's over-tuned", "I just want this to end", and, of course "Liquid has the advantage", "no, Liquid has to beta test the fights, Echo has the advantage", "Echo steals their strats". Repeat all that x1000. People were acting as if they were locked in those rooms forced to do that by week 3. Sure, I could see it was hard for them but there's a reason so few people compete at that level. Week 3 isn't even unheard of. I could see how difficult it was for them and can sympathize but that's what you sign up for, I hold nothing against Blizzard for making a long and difficult raid. They probably had more viewership too. And in fact, I think it's one of the best RWF I've seen in a while.

    My only real "gripe" is the amount of prep. for this tier and the amount of gold it takes to compete at that it's a little depressing and I personally blame Blizzard some for that. I know they don't design and balance necessarily around RWF, but they must know the consequences of some of their design decisions and know that this will always be part of the game and something players will always do as long as the game is popular. I haven't played in years but apparently these guys have 4 of the same class because how tier pieces work and had to spend hundreds of millions in gold...and Blizzard actually promotes this, they promote the race.

    edit: also, in response to some comments earlier, of course these players are skilled. No, they probably aren't the very best in the world because most players wont invest the time and energy into RWF, or simply don't want to do it, but they are absolutely top tier players. I've Mythic raided pretty hardcore and it's not easy to execute your rotation perfectly while also dealing with all the fight's mechanics. Hypothetically if every WoW player, every guild was forced to do this with the same items and allotted time these guys would still be at the very top or somewhere very close.
  1. Teucer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wramp View Post
    I feel very sorry for every WF Raider that competed this tier - this raid was so good but so overtuned and took so many nerfs on bosses to even kill them. I suffered through it and GRATS to Echo on the amazing accomplishment, but Jesus, never again please with that garbage.
    It wasn’t overtuned at all. It was tuned for double legendary; both guilds have said it’s one of the best raids yet. The main issue is that double legendaries came week 3 instead of on launch or week 2.

    Also it’s the last patch of the expansion, imo, it should be the longest/hardest

    In my opinion the biggest issue with RWF is that outside of the top two guilds it’s extremely hard for other guilds to have the resources required: community splits, gold for BOEs, priority on BOEs, pay for analysts and weak aura creators, sponsors that will fly them out and, feed them etc…
  1. ExplosionOfDragons's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    "DURR HURR I NOT IMPRESSED. I DO BETA BUT I HAVE LIFE I WORK WALMART 20 HOURS DAY"
    i can think of at least one member of liquid who should be working in walmart 20 hours a day after that piss poor peformance
  1. huth's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbazz View Post
    Time spent practicing is exactly how skill is developed, learning is done through reinforcing habits, building muscle memory, through gathering, organising and internalising information to the point where it can be offloaded to the subconcious, all of which is then reinforced with good sleep. Your view is that skill should only be valid if someone comes out of the womb as a grandmaster and that their skill is not valid if they spent time practicing?

    The only person who could say that is someone that has never put time into learning any meaningful skill. I'm amazed at the absolute shite I see people post here on MMO champion.
    While time is certainly needed for that, time alone does not suffice. Doing something wrong repeatedly will only reinforce the errors.
  1. Lurker1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbazz View Post
    Time spent practicing is exactly how skill is developed, learning is done through reinforcing habits, building muscle memory, through gathering, organising and internalising information to the point where it can be offloaded to the subconcious, all of which is then reinforced with good sleep. Your view is that skill should only be valid if someone comes out of the womb as a grandmaster and that their skill is not valid if they spent time practicing?

    The only person who could say that is someone that has never put time into learning any meaningful skill. I'm amazed at the absolute shite I see people post here on MMO champion.
    Not my problem.
  1. Zan15's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    if you think you got what it takes,you are free to apply to those guilds u know,they are alwasys looking for exeptional players

    wile your random no name guild will likely never have what it takes to get a WF,maybe you personaly can join one of the WF guilds
    Or i can have a career and family instead and make way more money and still clear each tier at a normal pace.

    No one said they were not exceptional players or the not the best of the best. You just have comprehension problems apparently and are making assumptions that were never said.

    For fuck sakes they were offering 6 million gold for tier pieces from any character NOT in their guild to trade to them. That is beyond using their own skill and luck or even their extended guild's abilities.

    Let's not even talk about how they clearly violated the new rules on selling "runs" through group advertising, level 1 trade chat advertising and other means that blizzard has clamped down and never got even a warning for. They destroyed a whole economy of sales to only have it happen during the WF in spades.
  1. Naraga's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    We get it. You don't care. Lot's of people do. The effort required is worth congratulating. They raided 16 hours a day for something like 18/19 days. It's a feat. Deal with it.
    Why would they raid 16 hours of the day? Why don't they just do the mechanics and kill the boss?

    I'll never understand pve players.
  1. erifwodahs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Naraga View Post
    Why would they raid 16 hours of the day? Why don't they just do the mechanics and kill the boss?

    I'll never understand pve players.
    Lol. Are you deliberately pretending to be so unaware and not being able to grasp any nuance or are you really this thick? If that's the second option, how are you even functioning in this world? Also, if you think this is that simple, why aren't you playing PvE? Could be famous, get fans and actually make a good living out of that. Oh wait, because you only talk shit.
  1. Naraga's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    Lol. Are you deliberately pretending to be so unaware and not being able to grasp any nuance or are you really this thick? If that's the second option, how are you even functioning in this world? Also, if you think this is that simple, why aren't you playing PvE? Could be famous, get fans and actually make a good living out of that. Oh wait, because you only talk shit.
    I do PVE I clear 14/14 every week by simply doing the mechanics. Also did all content every phase prenerf, again by simply doing the mechanics. Why didn't these guys just do the mechanics?
  1. Nerph-'s Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    Lol. Are you deliberately pretending to be so unaware and not being able to grasp any nuance or are you really this thick? If that's the second option, how are you even functioning in this world? Also, if you think this is that simple, why aren't you playing PvE? Could be famous, get fans and actually make a good living out of that. Oh wait, because you only talk shit.
    Stop feeding him mate.
  1. erifwodahs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Naraga View Post
    I do PVE I clear 14/14 every week by simply doing the mechanics. Also did all content every phase prenerf, again by simply doing the mechanics. Why didn't these guys just do the mechanics?
    Idk how your troll as is not perma banned yet. Get help
  1. Straga21's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by brb2009 View Post
    Excuse me but WHAT? Separation from? It's 'Method' with a new branding slapped over it. Still got Fragnance and Gingi there who got branded during gamer gate, still got ALL of the people (except the ones who quit) who sat on the info and did nothing about 'Josh' for OVER a year. Still got the vile people that sent disgusting messages to the ones hurt by Josh calling them liars and all sorts,and then when the truth came out had the gall to livestream them balling their eyes out, 'poor ol me, i acted like a complete asshole and now i feel bad about it' congrats guy, you have a soul, you doing it in the first place still means you are a complete dipshit and deserve to feel like absolute shit for it. Still got Nnogga and his 'OnlyFans' moment (where Scripe tried to pull the 'mental health' card out of the deck in defense of the guy)



    Scripe essentially 'stole' the team, logo? stolen, 'Echo' name fits cuz everything remains the same.

    'Massive Drama that encircled them' THEY WERE PART OF IT genius.
    "who sat on the info and did nothing about 'Josh' for OVER a year. Still got the vile people that sent disgusting messages to the ones hurt by Josh calling them liars"
    So if you are playing for years with a friend, and a friend comes out and says that someone is trying to fuck them in court, and an official police investigation returns that he is innocent, are you supposed to randomly start hating your friend? And just love the person who said the allegations?
    Any normal friend would have done what they have done, except for the messages part, that is what angry friends who are protective of others would do. Don't see any asshole behaviour about it.
    BTW you say "when the truth came out" Did an official investigation came out that the rape happened? All I know about is a Twit longer, sent by the victim.
    As far as I know, Twitlongers are still not proof of rape.
  1. Brenz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    Lol. Are you deliberately pretending to be so unaware and not being able to grasp any nuance or are you really this thick? If that's the second option, how are you even functioning in this world? Also, if you think this is that simple, why aren't you playing PvE? Could be famous, get fans and actually make a good living out of that. Oh wait, because you only talk shit.
    Got you hook, line and sinker

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