Midwinter Stops Raiding, Patch 9.2.5 PTR - All Torghast Wings Available, Hotfixes

All the right changes always come too late, you know when the people are leaving. It's like they're trying to sabotage this entire thing.

Looking at how the new expansion is shaping out, i am not very keen on resubing or sticking out with the game any longer ..
After a failed Shadowlands, a lot of people were expecting something out of the ordinary to make up for the loss
BFA>Shadowlands>Dragonwhatever ... you see the trend ?
Fingers crossed that WOW hits bottom soon so they wake up

Originally Posted by conkrete

All the right changes always come too late, you know when the people are leaving. It's like they're trying to sabotage this entire thing.

It's not "not too late" - it's called QoL changes they always make towards the end of the expansion.

Originally Posted by THEORACLE64

It's not "not too late" - it's called QoL changes they always make towards the end of the expansion.

Seem they make them that way. Could have it from the start.

Originally Posted by Devilyaki

Seem they make them that way. Could have it from the start.

Absolutely not. Adding just a QoL change at the end of the expansion is nothing new. Time-gating isn't a new concept, so making everything available at the end of the expansion beyond makes sense.

Next hotfix please: Cosmic Flux and Sandworn Relics accountbound

I want Nightfallen reputation account-wide to complete the Order Hall sets.

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Originally Posted by Twdft

Next hotfix please: Cosmic Flux and Sandworn Relics accountbound

One can only hope. And sending a box with unranked PvP conquest gear to your alts like in season 2.

Originally Posted by THEORACLE64

It's not "not too late" - it's called QoL changes they always make towards the end of the expansion.

Begs the question - why didnt they just have it like this from the start? Makes no sense waiting this long to do it.

Midwinter Guild who?

Originally Posted by pupu

Looking at how the new expansion is shaping out, i am not very keen on resubing or sticking out with the game any longer ..
After a failed Shadowlands, a lot of people were expecting something out of the ordinary to make up for the loss
BFA>Shadowlands>Dragonwhatever ... you see the trend ?
Fingers crossed that WOW hits bottom soon so they wake up

If you decide you're gonna hate you, you will hate it. So it's probably for the best for you not to resub.

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Originally Posted by Twdft

Next hotfix please: Cosmic Flux and Sandworn Relics accountbound

I've already spent all my relics, because they were taking up 7 slots already in my bags. Sadness.

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Originally Posted by crusadernero

Begs the question - why didnt they just have it like this from the start? Makes no sense waiting this long to do it.

So you don't feel "forced" to run all wings in one week I think.

Originally Posted by Loveliest

So you don't feel "forced" to run all wings in one week I think.

Just put a cap on the amount of earned currency. Problem solved and everybody can play their most favorite wing.

Originally Posted by uncl55

Midwinter Guild who?

Must be new if you don't know Midwinter.

makes sense that they unlocked all the wings in torghast in the last patch. nice blizz...

Originally Posted by THEORACLE64

Absolutely not. Adding just a QoL change at the end of the expansion is nothing new. Time-gating isn't a new concept, so making everything available at the end of the expansion beyond makes sense.

Just because it is not something new doesn't change that it is a really bad habit. Most people already quit the game long before an expansion gets these changes implemented and the improvements done by the end of the expansions have become so egregious that it is driving people away.

Originally Posted by crusadernero

Begs the question - why didnt they just have it like this from the start? Makes no sense waiting this long to do it.

So you don't eat all the content at once. Time-gating is a pain, but there are people that will literally burn through the entire expansion in a week or two and then say "Well, guess I finished all the content, what a boring expansion."

Originally Posted by Woggmer

So you don't eat all the content at once. Time-gating is a pain, but there are people that will literally burn through the entire expansion in a week or two and then say "Well, guess I finished all the content, what a boring expansion."

They paid for the expansion, let them consume the content at their own pace. Doesn't impact me that Johnny Speeder finished every rep the first week. The only reason for time gating is to increase sub duration. Stop pretending it's not.

Originally Posted by Woggmer

So you don't eat all the content at once. Time-gating is a pain, but there are people that will literally burn through the entire expansion in a week or two and then say "Well, guess I finished all the content, what a boring expansion."

Let them.

For a long time I shared your view, that timegating was at least in part necessary to prevent player burnout. But now I think so what. Players who would nolife a patch and let's say grind out Zereth Mortis in one 72 hour session to get 6/6 on the console and all achievements done... just let them. If they unsub because they are "finished" at least they unsub with a smile on their face from achieving all they wanted to achieve in the time they themselves thought was right. They'll be back next patch eager to nolife it again and play something else in the meanwhile.

All heavy timegating does is making those players lose the smile. They frown every day when they want to grind more and can't. They frown when they feel the need to not miss a day to not fall behind since you have to do your 3 world quests every day, instead of maybe 6 on one day and cinema the next.

Real player power like rank 7 and second legendaries can still be tied to the weekly campaign quests so everyone is on the same level. But if someone wants to kill all the rares a dozen times to get exalted in a weekend... just let them ffs.

Originally Posted by LordVargK

Just put a cap on the amount of earned currency. Problem solved and everybody can play their most favorite wing.

Then you get the crying about time gating.

Originally Posted by Kallisto

Then you get the crying about time gating.

Yes because Blizzard didn't time gate ALREADY.

It is not surprising that the raiding community and participation is rapidly declining as a whole, not only the hardcore ones.