Idol of Y'Shaarj - New Shadow Priest Talent Breakdown

While this talent will certainly produce a lot of headaches, there's one singular talent in the tree that makes 0 sense:

Surrender to madness is still there! How come they dont understand that it's the single most unplayed/unwanted shadow talent since it's inception in legion (with the exception of EN because it was just way too strong back then)? Noone picks it now, why would anybody pick it in DF?

Overcilomplicated how?
99% raid encounters - Pride and Violence
M+ raging - Enraged utility
M+ trash - Despair if dps gain
PvP - Fear

Originally Posted by Zendhal The Black

<Angry warrior noises>

It is not a short comment you dingus

Play Arms. More fun, no Enrage needed.

Originally Posted by Stickiler

That's actually just a blatant lie. The ability underwent many changes, in beta, as you can see that the first 4-5 changelogs are all in 9.0.1, but then all changes after that point are not actually changes to the ability at all, just changes to metadata surrounding the spell.

I stand corrected. "Right before" Shadowlands launched.

Blizzard adds a talent that will help Spriest with some utility (something they were lacking when needing to bring in outside of bursting) and people are bashing on them!

If this is the type of talents that we can expect from bliz where they will add utility for less dps it will see some classes possibly be able to help if your guilds team comp needs a dis-enrager etc (Probably wont solve meta comps as unfortuantly people will still watch MDI etc and go off guides)

But i think this is extremely positive for the player who has a group of friends they play with and not being forced into dps or tanks etc that they may not enjoy if there is this level of flexibility in the tree's I only see positive outcomes!

Originally Posted by ArenaDk

Ever heard of playing for fun and not min max ?

But what if someone finds min maxing fun?

Originally Posted by Shaqthefat

But what if someone finds min maxing fun?

Why would someone who enjoys min maxing , complain about a talent being complicated? Or is it someone who wants to min max but not play ? because that person would also not have any demerit from the talent

Originally Posted by ArenaDk

Why would someone who enjoys min maxing , complain about a talent being complicated? Or is it someone who wants to min max but not play ? because that person would also not have any demerit from the talent

The complaints about the left side of the talent tree aren't being too complicated. They're about Sanguine teachings being one of the worst talents showcased so far and then being required in order to get to a really good capstone talent choice.

Idol of N'zoth and Idol of Y'shaarj are really cool and potentially really good. The problem is Sanguine teachings, which is simply awful there isn't anything complicated about it.

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Originally Posted by Nyel

I'm talking about this talent that was similarly overloaded in what it did: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=327661...ians#changelog

Just look at the changelog and how often it was modified and tuned. And in the end it still was barely used overall.

The problem with fae guardian wasn't that it was overloaded, it was the application of the buffs and the fact they generally did fuck all. The application process of this idol is way easier to manage and the buffs they apply are way better.

This talent is more comparable to IQD over fae guardian with both its application and buffs.

Originally Posted by Toppy

Because its an over designed and blatantly flawed talent that, as an earlier poster said, is an example of blizzards outright refusal to learn from the past in how these sort of abilities are a bad idea?

How do you know it is a bad idea? After all, you ahve not used it yet. Also, you not liking something does not make it a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Shaqthefat

But what if someone finds min maxing fun?

who cares about min maxing . lets see if shadow priests will be as unplayable as it is in SL. it can have the most interesting talents in world but if it will do such bad dmg like it is doing atm forcing peopel to play holy if they want to play at all what does it matter what talents it will have

Originally Posted by kamuimac

who cares about min maxing . lets see if shadow priests will be as unplayable as it is in SL. it can have the most interesting talents in world but if it will do such bad dmg like it is doing atm forcing peopel to play holy if they want to play at all what does it matter what talents it will have

Enough people care about min maxing to where people feel the need to constantly complain other people min maxing.