The WoW Variety Show is back with Episode 2!

After huge viewership fiasco during first episode... this is extremely surprising.
I wonder if they keep pushing T&E as hosts.

veiwership is complete trash. lets add in a mount and pet so we get those addicts to watch our shit streams.

I still don't understand what this is supposed to be...

Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles

I still don't understand what this is supposed to be...

Advertising.

Depending on the rewards I might join in or leave the tab on muted.

Wow wants it's own twitch controlled platform rather then relying on preach and asmond so they are trying to buy a popular channel.

I don't think it will work but freebies be free.

Originally Posted by Mendzia

After huge viewership fiasco during first episode... this is extremely surprising.
I wonder if they keep pushing T&E as hosts.

What do you mean? That was an experimental type of content from their side and US-only too. Compare it to the WotLK Undying challenge which has been open to the entire world which had about the same number of average viewers. Would you also call the first pve competition of Classic a fiasco too, then?

Originally Posted by Mendzia

After huge viewership fiasco during first episode... this is extremely surprising.
I wonder if they keep pushing T&E as hosts.

Tallesin? Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh.....................I'm out...

Originally Posted by Daeveren

What do you mean? That was an experimental type of content from their side and US-only too.

Experiment that failed miserably and they still want to do more of it for some reason.

Originally Posted by Daeveren

Compare it to the WotLK Undying challenge which has been open to the entire world which had about the same number of average viewers.

Huh?
Average viewership was more than doubled and peak tripled
Also compare when were both streams peaked: variety show at the beginning that suggest people were bored very early and quit vs Undying challenge at the end because viewers were actually interested who will win.

Originally Posted by Daeveren

Would you also call the first pve competition of Classic a fiasco too, then?

Yes... and i say this as a Classic player.
Even 10-20k average viewership for WoW is really bad.
They keep pushing these weird ideas for streams and nothing seems to work honestly.

Originally Posted by Mendzia

Average viewership was more than doubled and peak tripled.

Yes, that's for day 2. Check day one, it's almost on par with the 'fiasco' - and before that I thought that the entire Classic community would be hyped to see the first official pve competition of Classic -- proves out noone cared. And I thought it was a really interesting competition out there. And again, this was an international event, unlike the US-only variety one which was put at a hour when everyone in EU sleeps (half of the viewerbase lost right there).

Both events had a lot of well thought plans, rules, production effort and logistic effort and all this kind of things; yet only an avg of 5-10k viewers chose to watch them. Meanwhile, there's a streamer who reads mmo-champion or just talks about random things and has 50k viewers.

But either way, these seem to be normal numbers then, by the looks of it - people are just not interested and don't care about events that they haven't heard before and that were also not hyped enough (if at all). You'll see the viewership increase when there will be drops.

Originally Posted by Celement

Advertising.

Depending on the rewards I might join in or leave the tab on muted.

Wow wants it's own twitch controlled platform rather then relying on preach and asmond so they are trying to buy a popular channel.

I don't think it will work but freebies be free.

Didn't preach stop playing beginning of Shadowlands cause he grew disinterested in the way the game was headed?

Damn, I miss TotalBiscuit

MrGM hinting to something like this and mentioning T&E so yeah... they will most likely be hosting this again. But really who wanna see this again, the first one was horrible...

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Originally Posted by Redwyrm

Damn, I miss TotalBiscuit

We all do, hope his wife and kid are ok!

Originally Posted by AlmightyGerkin

Didn't preach stop playing beginning of Shadowlands cause he grew disinterested in the way the game was headed?

Just picking out the few successful wow streamers. WoW has never really had many big names. It's a boring slow game to stream so personality is what sells wow channels rather then gameplay.

Blizzard sees twitch as one of it's big advertising platforms. It makes sense they want a always positive stream.

Originally Posted by Celement

Just picking out the few successful wow streamers. WoW has never really had many big names. It's a boring slow game to stream so personality is what sells wow channels rather then gameplay.

Blizzard sees twitch as one of it's big advertising platforms. It makes sense they want a always positive stream.

Wow has to put it in a weird way a knee jerk viewing. Once it comes out viewership is in good numbers. Look at classic when it came out I think it averaged 700,000 people or so. And after a few days dropped to 100,000 or so. Interesting at the start and then dies off very quickly.

Originally Posted by Daeveren

Yes, that's for day 2. Check day one, it's almost on par with the 'fiasco' - and before that I thought that the entire Classic community would be hyped to see the first official pve competition of Classic -- proves out noone cared.

Day 1 was absolutely stupid dungeon grind that was totally not needed and just gave players pointless RNG factor for next day.
Rules like this are the big factor why these events are so very unpopular - viewers do not care about the preparations.
They could give people same gear on and pack everything to just 1 day.
Also... yesterdays Wrath Classic Arena Tournament EU - it is just day 1 of it and again doubled... by your logic US should not care about it.

Originally Posted by Daeveren

And I thought it was a really interesting competition out there. And again, this was an international event, unlike the US-only variety one which was put at a hour when everyone in EU sleeps (half of the viewerbase lost right there).

US/EU parts do not matter becuase these 'popular' streamers attending are equally watched in both places.
Time differences is indeed big but there is never a point that it is very fitting for both audiences.

Originally Posted by Daeveren

Both events had a lot of well thought plans, rules, production effort and logistic effort and all this kind of things; yet only an avg of 5-10k viewers chose to watch them. Meanwhile, there's a streamer who reads mmo-champion or just talks about random things and has 50k viewers.

I absolutely agree and said in previous post that anything less than 20k viewers for game huge as WoW is pathetic.
They seem do not really care about viewership at all and more that making these events for no reason.

Originally Posted by Daeveren

But either way, these seem to be normal numbers then, by the looks of it - people are just not interested and don't care about events that they haven't heard before and that were also not hyped enough (if at all). You'll see the viewership increase when there will be drops.

I don't agree.
Blizzard for some reason is unwilling to produce stuff that it is interesting with all spectrum of people and not the only ones who are shilling to them.
World first race (Echo numbers only)
Amons Classic Arena tournamet
and a few more proves that it is possible to have +50k viewership during these events.

Originally Posted by Mendzia

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As I said, wow official stream has small numbers for random events. It's big only for well established events (anything pvp tournament, MDI and Blizzcon). Rest, noone cares (literally), because they don't build hype and no prizes either (wait until they will add prizes next week and check the numbers to see the 'surprise').

You do not realize, but the variety show started at something like 3-4 am in EU (depending on which time zone in EU) - virtually noone is there to watch at that hour. Unlike those popular streamers that you are talking about which start way earlier specifically in order to capitalize on the EU prime audience hours.
Day 2 of the undying event and the Wrath Classic Arena Tournament both started at 7-8pm in EU, so hitting straight into the prime time for all the timezones in Europe. It's why we even see numbers in the 10k range, simple as that. I want to point out because you perhaps do not see it, all the streams you linked end at somewhere around 0-1am EU: Wrath Arena is 8pm-1am EU time, Echo stream peaked between 8pm-1am EU time, Asmongold's stream happened between 8pm-1am EU time. That an event placed at a hour where the entire Europe is asleep (starting at 3am lol), like the variety "US only stream" is no surprise that managed half the viewers - but this was not a surprise for them either, they specifically chose the time because they specifically and officially done it as an US-only event.

Not only does the public seem to like anything that is pvp, but in the pve realm, with the exception of MDI there's nothing else on the official channel that makes people interested - and it's just because they don't build hype for weeks/months in advance and aren't even talking about the features, rules and so on.

We know very well since forever that community-ran pve events and races manage to gain LOTS of viewers (they push the hell out of advertising and hyping it many months in advance on most of the wow websites), but even then, outside the world first race there's not much going on; and as we very well know, Blizz for some reason insists in leaving the world first race be a 100% community organised event - they even re-announced that they hold the same stance, just recently. There's not even demand in Blizz running the event anyway, atleast for retail - past few years there's not even talk about Blizz hosting it anymore, people talk about universal raid release worldwide.
Meanwhile, for Classic, we had a lot of voices asking for Blizz to do a pve race with a higher difficulty level than the "stomp everything in 2h on first day" - and once they've unexpectedly done one such event (with a lot of logistics and twists and interesting things and suspense than just the standard 'clear the raid first' - which I loved), basically noone watched it.