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WoW Classic Lead Developer Leaves Blizzard over Stack-Ranking Policy
WoW Classic Lead Developer Brian Birmingham has left Blizzard after refusing to adhere to the company's stack-ranking policy, which forces managers to give low ratings to a percentage of their employees to show a curve of improvement and fill a quota. Originally, Birmingham was not planning to make this public knowledge, but after Bloomberg broke the news, several other news outlets did the same, and he has now made a statement on Twitter.

Originally Posted by Brian Birmingham
"I wasn't intending to make this public, but apparently its in the news already, so I'd at least like to set the record straight. I am no longer an employee of Blizzard Entertainment, though I would return if allowed to, so that I could fight the stack-ranking policy from inside. I'm told the forced stack-ranking policy is a directive that came from the ABK level, ABOVE Mike Ybarra. I don't know for sure, but I suspect it's true. Everybody at Blizzard I've spoken to about this, including my direct supervisors, expressed disappointment about this policy.

For those who don't know, "ABK" is the parent company formed when Activision Publishing expressed their interest in buying World of Warcraft from Vivendi in 2008. Blizzard's market value was enough that Activision Publishing could NOT buy it outright... Instead they arranged to form a new company called, "Activision Blizzard" which would own Activision Publishing and Vivendi's games division, including Blizzard Entertainment. Vivendi had >50% of the shares of "Activision Blizzard" at that time.

In creating "Activision Blizzard" they needed an executive, and Bobby Kotick, from Activision Publishing was selected as the new CEO of Activision Blizzard. Mike Morhaime, still President of Blizzard at that time, reported up to Bobby Kotick's staff at "Activision Blizzard"

Bobby and an investor group staged a "hostile takeover" meaning that they bought up more than 50% of Activision Blizzard shares. (There's no actual violence in a "hostile takeover" despite the name). I forget which year this happened, but it resulted in greater control.

Activision Blizzard then acquired "King" becoming "Activision Blizzard King," or "ABK." ABK was then a parent company of 3 different companies that they owned:
- Activision Publishing
- Blizzard Entertainment
- King

IIRC, the first year we were asked to meet a specific quota of "Developing" ratings was in the 2020 evaluations, across the winter of 2020/2021. IIRC this was also the first year they tried to unify the review/appraisal systems across all three child business units. Activision, Blizzard, and King all had *similar* appraisal processes by this point, and ABK wanted to unify them into one. Presumably this was the motivation for *enforcing* a 5% "developing" rating: to make it match in all 3 studios. I'm not defending this, only explaining.

We at Blizzard pushed back pretty hard in 2021, and I truly believed we had reversed the developing-quota policy. When the sexual harassment lawsuit was revealed later that year, we saw some change following that as well, and it felt like we could make an impact on ABK policies. The realization that there's still a minimum quota for "Developing," despite our objections and sternly worded letters leads me to believe I was operating under an illusion. I hope Blizzard's positive culture can overcome ABK's poison, but it isn't succeeding in doing that yet.

So having explained all that, I bear no ill will toward my former colleagues at Blizzard Entertainment. The Blizzard I knew and always wanted to work for is being torn apart by the executives at ABK, and it makes me sad. I truly respect the developers I worked with at Blizzard. I will still play Blizzard games; the developers at Blizzard are still amazing. Dragonflight and Wrath of the Lich King Classic are gems. Dragon Riding is amazing in Dragonflight, as is the Ulduar raid, and the new Titan Rune Dungeons in Wrath of the Lich King.

But ABK is a problematic parent company. They put us under pressure to deliver both expansions early. It is deeply unjust to follow that by depriving employees who worked on them their fair share of profit. The ABK team should be ashamed of themselves. I must stress that the above is *my best recollection* of events. It covers a lot of years, and human memory is notoriously imperfect. I do believe that the broad strokes are accurate:
- The "developing" quota is toxic
- It is an ABK policy
- It is being forced on Blizzard

I can't tell you whether to boycott Blizzard games or not. How best to express your displeasure is up to you. As I said above: I won't boycott. But I can't participate in a policy that lets ABK steal money from deserving employees, and I can't be made to lie about it either. And to wrap up I want to again clarify that I was surprised to see the Bloomberg article below. I did NOT provide them the email they're quoting from, but I believe the quotes are accurate. They have neither spoken to me nor reached out to me in any way."

Brian Birmingham via Twitter
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  1. Malcho's Avatar
    Paragraph 7 is where he admits he fucked up and stopped following company policy because he was counting his chickens before they'd hatched- thought he was "winning" against his own employer because of some unrelated turmoil in the company and thought things would just magically go his way. Nobody here can have any information about how good or bad the talent is on his team. It could be that a small percentage of his team had to compensate for the rest, who had an abysmal output, yet he wanted to protect those people for some reason. That wouldn't be fair. I've seen that sort of behavior in my own company before they enforced stack ranking.

    Can't help noticing that there's a soreness in his explanation. "Problematic, toxic"
  1. Animaneth's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    It was an ABK policy, not a Blizzard policy as such, and managers (especially) are never going to be allowed to buck the system too hard. The firing is wrong (I think) but is unsurprising given the circumstances as explained by the lead developer in his twitter thread. It's a very bad thing for morale some when members of a large team who have all performed well are forced into a "bottom 5%" category. The theory behind it is to lose dead wood employees but I do not believe that in reality it works that way and is a detriment to team-building as the team is now forced to compete instead of co-operate. It's just destructive of the kind of thing that makes teams excel. It also leads to moronic, outdated metrics like comparing lines of code created. All that happens there is you end up with bloated, inefficient code.

    Come to think of it, the way WoW has introduced and doubled-down on competitive over co-operative aspects in PVE, perhaps it's karma.
    The solution for profit sharing, vacations and the like lies in worker's rights, but that is a no no in the US culture. Most countries have learned about it, even places that you could hardly call "communist" have a worker's rights codified law and is applied. The reality is that "being the best country in the world" means nothing if your citizens are unable to enjoy living in the "best country in the world". But I get it, it is a cultural thing, most americans are raised by a generation that was raised by a generation of "left is bad and is our enemy!" so I wouldn't expect them to be much different, an apple does not fall faraway from the tree.
  1. NED funded's Avatar
    The firing is prob bad looks but from what Ive read he just straight up stop working? Like I am not sure what he was expecting, you need to drum up some support from your peers if you are going to do something like this.

    Hopefully he can get his job back now that everythings come to light
  1. Doombringer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Animaneth View Post
    The solution for profit sharing, vacations and the like lies in worker's rights, but that is a no no in the US culture. Most countries have learned about it, even places that you could hardly call "communist" have a worker's rights codified law and is applied. The reality is that "being the best country in the world" means nothing if your citizens are unable to enjoy living in the "best country in the world". But I get it, it is a cultural thing, most americans are raised by a generation that was raised by a generation of "left is bad and is our enemy!" so I wouldn't expect them to be much different, an apple does not fall faraway from the tree.
    Definitely. Grand-dad and even Dad probably worked for a company that showed more appreciation for their workers than most companies do now. I know personally my grandfather worked for a company that gave him a pension, which he is still pulling from today. He put in his time and the company valued him enough with pay, benefits for his family, and takes care of him in retirement. His job and pay while he was working afforded him a nice house where he could raise 2 kids comfortably. And dad similarly worked for a company that paid decently and, again, gave him a pension that even his surviving wife benefits from today.

    Companies don't do this now. Whatever you're getting paid, it may only be just enough to live where you must to do said job. Pensions are virtually unheard of and you get the minimum effort of a 401k match. Benefits can be decent but given how healthcare works you still end up paying deductibles, which could be thousands for even a short hospital stay. Your job is also constantly at risk if they decide to "reduce workforce" or any other rejiggering of the books... while the C-staff makes more money than God. Your taking vacation time is frowned upon for one of a few reasons... one, your team is already stretched thin and your absence stresses this more, or two, while you're away and being covered someone might get the idea that you aren't actually needed at all or your work can be outsourced, and you come back to a pink slip.

    Make no mistake there are companies the world over that will try to bend any and every workers' rights rule they can to squeeze their workforce and enhance their bottom line... but there are many places that retain more of an old-fashioned "your work is valued, you as a worker are valued" ideal compared to the US. It seems as industrialization came about in the US, companies first abused their workers and cut corners, then were slapped into shape as they realized where the true power resided (the employees), and now we're creeping back into a time of abuse again. Low pay, unreasonable conditions and requirements, minimal benefits and no job security. It doesn't help that one whole political party who is supposed to be about helping the common man, the worker, is literally shitting on a high percentage of common men and workers -- they think so little of food and retail service workers, but they all want their fast food, their Walmart stockers and cashiers, and their Amazon warehouse minions to be buzzing away. They operate as if we still have the steel industry and companies like DuPont chugging away when in reality, most of the workforce is in McDonald's and Target. And the tech sector workers are seen as leftists and part of a conspiracy, so they get no love either.

    Wow, a proletariat rant on MMOChamp. I doubt anyone will read this but it felt good to type it out.
  1. Hctaz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Doombringer View Post
    Wow, a proletariat rant on MMOChamp. I doubt anyone will read this but it felt good to type it out.
    Snip the rest of the post, but I read it.

    I know from my own personal experience as well as the experiences of seeing my mom struggle a decade-ish ago how companies can be pretty scummy.

    I can tell you a story about a company I've seen get progressively less friendly toward their employees.

    One of the perks was that they had a metric based merit system which meant you weren't directly competing with your fellow associates for competency evaluations. Instead of the lowest grade being a 0, everybody in the entire class could get an A (so to speak) if they hit a certain number.

    They scrapped that entirely. Now the lowest ranked person in the company is a problem even if they were performing their work sufficiently (because sufficient isn't efficient I guess).

    Not only that, but they've slowly pushed their call center jobs higher and higher. You had a baseline call center that did certain tasks before sending the work to a team or a specific member. Not anymore. They've since merged the call center position with not only the position above it, but now even the position above that position. It's created such a nightmare that, for a while, they've even removed quality off their metrics entirely.

    These things used to be handled correctly, but it's impossible to do so with a call center lifestyle. I don't want to name names, but let me just strongly suggest you absolutely do NOT want a call center team taking recorded interviews to determine fault in tricky situations.

    It's clear to me to see where their true values lie; not with the customers or employees but with their shareholders. Gotta show them profits going up up up to make those shareholders happy! When you can't grow naturally, then your best bet is to start cutting chunks of your own flesh and selling that off for profit it seems.
  1. potis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcho View Post
    Paragraph 7 is where he admits he fucked up and stopped following company policy because he was counting his chickens before they'd hatched- thought he was "winning" against his own employer because of some unrelated turmoil in the company and thought things would just magically go his way. Nobody here can have any information about how good or bad the talent is on his team. It could be that a small percentage of his team had to compensate for the rest, who had an abysmal output, yet he wanted to protect those people for some reason. That wouldn't be fair. I've seen that sort of behavior in my own company before they enforced stack ranking.

    Can't help noticing that there's a soreness in his explanation. "Problematic, toxic"
    Thats the thing with most people, you cant know what he is talking about but.

    I aint a programmer, but i am tech/IT oriented but this was my problem with my ERP consulting job i quit 3 months ago after 2 years.

    I do not find how it is okay, for multiple people to underperform and ask for help all the time to simple tasks that they were shown multiple times, and even retrained 3 times.

    I do not find how its okay to never attend any training, cause someone has to work when the rest are doing training, and still score higher than everyone else during the test, with 10% of the training done.

    And many other similar things, and in the end of the day, you all get paid the same.

    So no, fuck that, and no wonder as time goes programming jobs and similar jobs are being treated with scaled pay.

    Everyone and their mother is aiming for some sort of job like that, cause lets face it..office life, higher pay..You cant tell me all of them produce equal results.

    Sounds horrible..but you cant pretend a team of 50 junior developers, all work the same speed/skill etc, obviously "forcing" or fake marks is bad..but you get it.
  1. Utrrabbit's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xorzor View Post
    Blizzard are scumbag losers who deserve lethal and unmerciful punishment for firing someone who wouldn't dehumanise other employees all for some arbitrary nonsense. I actually want Dragonflight to fail now. It will be hilarious to see their flagship game crash and burn again.
    You do know Blizzard has nothing to do with this. It is ABK who is doing this. I know you have a hate boner for anything Blizzard, but pleass do some research first.

    1. He clearly states in his letter that it was from ABK and no Blizzard employee wants it, including Mike Ybarra.

    2. If it was Blizzard he would not have clearly states that he would go back to work with them of he could.

    3. You clearly do not know the structional way ABK/Blizzard works. I will break it down for you. ABK owns Blizzard, they are a studio working under ABK. They are not the same thing.

    Jesus at least know what it is you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerox View Post
    Blizz as a corp is just cancer it seems...
    ...This has nothing to do with Blizz. It was a policy set up by ABK who owns Blizzard.

    NOT

    THE

    SAME
  1. Osmeric's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Utrrabbit View Post
    You do know Blizzard has nothing to do with this. It is ABK who is doing this.
    Blizzard is just a meat puppet for ABK now.
  1. Utrrabbit's Avatar
    Look I am not saying people should not be upset about how this is being handled and the clearly stupid policy put in place. What annoys me is people have this irrational hate for Blizzard when they did not do anything. Be upset, but be upset at the correct people.

    This was ABK not Blizzard and it was clearly written that Blizzard staff are against it.

    Hopefully when Microsoft takes over stuff oike this will never happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Blizzard is just a meat puppet for ABK now.
    Thats not how this works. The are owned by them. If you also read anything youd know the entire Blizzard staff is against the policy including Mike Ybarra. The one thing we can hope for is when Microsoft takes over, policies like this are tossed out.

    Microsoft tried this and it failed. So I would bet that it would be one of the first things they change.
  1. Goat7's Avatar
    I stopped playing Blizzard games awhile ago, even before the workplace lawsuits. If your eyes and mind were open, as a Blizzard gamer my whole live, you could really see the degradation of the games, especially in WoW toward end of legion somewhere around 2017 and then it got really really bad in BFA shortly after that and has been a shit show since just from a blizzard gamer point of view.

    I am happy I have not touched WoW since WoW SL first season, even though it is saddening, simply because the ONLY way you can get these companies to change if at all is by speaking with your WALLET. The masses have to stop paying for this dogshit, and that goes for more then just Blizzard games, WE ALL HAVE TO stop accepting shit, the gaming companies just simply release buggy messed up games and only to patch them later if at all because WE HAVE ALL come to accept this as the way things are in gaming.

    STOP PAYING FOR SHIT. STOP ACCEPTING BUGGY ASS GAMES. STOP PAYING P2W or MICROTRANSACTION BULLSHIT GAMES. STOP IT COMPLETELY AND THE GAMING WORLD WILL GET BETTER IN TIME!
  1. Xilurm's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcho View Post
    Paragraph 7 is where he admits he fucked up and stopped following company policy because he was counting his chickens before they'd hatched- thought he was "winning" against his own employer because of some unrelated turmoil in the company and thought things would just magically go his way. Nobody here can have any information about how good or bad the talent is on his team. It could be that a small percentage of his team had to compensate for the rest, who had an abysmal output, yet he wanted to protect those people for some reason. That wouldn't be fair. I've seen that sort of behavior in my own company before they enforced stack ranking.

    Can't help noticing that there's a soreness in his explanation. "Problematic, toxic"
    Why does it matter? That kind of company policy is bad regardless of what the reasons are.

    Your company sounds like it went down a shady path.
  1. Malcho's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Why does it matter? That kind of company policy is bad regardless of what the reasons are.

    Your company sounds like it went down a shady path.
    I, for one, find it a very effective deterrent to nepotism and good old boy tactics. Maybe he had to

    face putting his neck on the line as bad performance finally came to light
    -or-
    resign gracefully.(looks like he took option 2 and opened his mouth to fuck himself.)

    I'm eager to see what Blizzard's rebuttal will be ...if they have any teeth left.

    EDIT: and here we go. Bing bang boooom. Worgen monk, baby~
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...-in-patch-1007
  1. Flamewibble's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Utrrabbit View Post
    Look I am not saying people should not be upset about how this is being handled and the clearly stupid policy put in place. What annoys me is people have this irrational hate for Blizzard when they did not do anything. Be upset, but be upset at the correct people.

    This was ABK not Blizzard and it was clearly written that Blizzard staff are against it.

    Hopefully when Microsoft takes over stuff oike this will never happen.

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    Thats not how this works. The are owned by them. If you also read anything youd know the entire Blizzard staff is against the policy including Mike Ybarra. The one thing we can hope for is when Microsoft takes over, policies like this are tossed out.

    Microsoft tried this and it failed. So I would bet that it would be one of the first things they change.
    I worked at Microsoft under Satya, after they'd supposedly eliminated the stack ranking, forced attrition/"unregretted attrition" that ruined the company under Ballmer and produced Windows Mobile, the Zune, Windows 8, etc.

    Stack Ranking and the "Unregretted Attrition" policy (basically what Brian Birmingham got fired for protesting) are alive and well at Microsoft. Microsoft is particularly bad about this.

    The policy looks great on paper to executives. Their managers will always beg for more resources and always give glowing reviews to their underlings. Forcing them to shitcan a percentage of their employees makes them much more aggressive and economical.. at first. Then after a couple of years all the obvious misfits and low performers are gone, and you start having to weasel to make yourself look good in order to avoid savage cuts. Before you know it, every team is adding its own worthless one-off gizmos and widgets to the product in order to make themselves look good while the overall quality suffers terribly. Everyone's spending all their time finding ways to blame each other for problems and hog credit for successes. Your best talent either leaves or they devote all their energy to self-promotion, and the company is pretty much doomed at that point.
  1. HeatBlast's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcho View Post
    I, for one, find it a very effective deterrent to nepotism and good old boy tactics. Maybe he had to

    face putting his neck on the line as bad performance finally came to light
    -or-
    resign gracefully.(looks like he took option 2 and opened his mouth to fuck himself.)

    I'm eager to see what Blizzard's rebuttal will be ...if they have any teeth left.

    EDIT: and here we go. Bing bang boooom. Worgen monk, baby~
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...-in-patch-1007
    He was the lead for wow classic, how is a change on retail evidential for your anti-worker whine?
  1. Mekh's Avatar
    Based. /10char
  1. Polygons's Avatar
    If Activision/Kotick really cared about employee performances on WoW, they wouldn't force a deadline.
  1. Jester Joe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcho View Post
    I, for one, find it a very effective deterrent to nepotism and good old boy tactics. Maybe he had to

    face putting his neck on the line as bad performance finally came to light
    -or-
    resign gracefully.(looks like he took option 2 and opened his mouth to fuck himself.)

    I'm eager to see what Blizzard's rebuttal will be ...if they have any teeth left.

    EDIT: and here we go. Bing bang boooom. Worgen monk, baby~
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...-in-patch-1007
    I'm sorry, what?

    FORCING leadership to hit a negative review quota is a deterrent to having favorites? You realize that straight up is contradictory right? If anything, it pushes leadership to have more nepotism.
  1. Tiwack's Avatar
    Zero trust + maximum control "gee I dunno what we're doing wrong?"

    Out of touch owners scrapping the barrel for pennies, don't want to fairly compensate all their workers and setup this quota strawman to accomplish that goal under the name of stack ranking. It's like how can we take this ranking system and bend it to our purpose of maximum profits and keeping our workers down and in line smh.
  1. Drench's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Doombringer View Post
    Definitely. Grand-dad and even Dad probably worked for a company that showed more appreciation for their workers than most companies do now. I know personally my grandfather worked for a company that gave him a pension, which he is still pulling from today. He put in his time and the company valued him enough with pay, benefits for his family, and takes care of him in retirement. His job and pay while he was working afforded him a nice house where he could raise 2 kids comfortably. And dad similarly worked for a company that paid decently and, again, gave him a pension that even his surviving wife benefits from today.

    Companies don't do this now. Whatever you're getting paid, it may only be just enough to live where you must to do said job. Pensions are virtually unheard of and you get the minimum effort of a 401k match. Benefits can be decent but given how healthcare works you still end up paying deductibles, which could be thousands for even a short hospital stay. Your job is also constantly at risk if they decide to "reduce workforce" or any other rejiggering of the books... while the C-staff makes more money than God. Your taking vacation time is frowned upon for one of a few reasons... one, your team is already stretched thin and your absence stresses this more, or two, while you're away and being covered someone might get the idea that you aren't actually needed at all or your work can be outsourced, and you come back to a pink slip.

    Make no mistake there are companies the world over that will try to bend any and every workers' rights rule they can to squeeze their workforce and enhance their bottom line... but there are many places that retain more of an old-fashioned "your work is valued, you as a worker are valued" ideal compared to the US. It seems as industrialization came about in the US, companies first abused their workers and cut corners, then were slapped into shape as they realized where the true power resided (the employees), and now we're creeping back into a time of abuse again. Low pay, unreasonable conditions and requirements, minimal benefits and no job security. It doesn't help that one whole political party who is supposed to be about helping the common man, the worker, is literally shitting on a high percentage of common men and workers -- they think so little of food and retail service workers, but they all want their fast food, their Walmart stockers and cashiers, and their Amazon warehouse minions to be buzzing away. They operate as if we still have the steel industry and companies like DuPont chugging away when in reality, most of the workforce is in McDonald's and Target. And the tech sector workers are seen as leftists and part of a conspiracy, so they get no love either.

    Wow, a proletariat rant on MMOChamp. I doubt anyone will read this but it felt good to type it out.
    This sounds like some hillbilly trumper talk about how people are taking all the jobs.

    That's the thing tho. Either you live in cali or you are letting yourself get screwed over. There are shite jobs for sure. But if you are over 22. You should have no problem finding a job with decent benefits. Retirement and even good bosses aren't that hard to find. We have too many people in the USA with no spine. If you are young and have at least a ged and not making 22+ an hour in cheap states then you are getting shafted starting out in the world. If you are over 25 should be making alot more in any type of work. Don't care if you are a janitor. Don't clean at walmart get a nice cleaning job. The issue we have with the complainers is they aren't intelligent enough to use the system correctly and move up every 2 years.


    Google how to be confident or something to apply for some real jobs, don't be a neckbeard and get some social skills.
  1. Kaleredar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The thing I don't get is, ABK is under the process of being acquired and the parent company to my knowledge has tried this policy and rescinded relatively swiftly cause the outcomes on productivity were largely negative. Why implement it if it will be taken out soon after?
    So some middle manager type person could try and justify their employment by looking like they were being productive because a system they have no hand in administering or assessing gives them a number they get to give to someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drench View Post
    This sounds like some hillbilly trumper talk about how people are taking all the jobs.

    That's the thing tho. Either you live in cali or you are letting yourself get screwed over. There are shite jobs for sure. But if you are over 22. You should have no problem finding a job with decent benefits. Retirement and even good bosses aren't that hard to find. We have too many people in the USA with no spine. If you are young and have at least a ged and not making 22+ an hour in cheap states then you are getting shafted starting out in the world. If you are over 25 should be making alot more in any type of work. Don't care if you are a janitor. Don't clean at walmart get a nice cleaning job. The issue we have with the complainers is they aren't intelligent enough to use the system correctly and move up every 2 years.


    Google how to be confident or something to apply for some real jobs, don't be a neckbeard and get some social skills.
    YOUR post sounds far more like "hillbilly Trumper talk" wherein you reckon the only reason people don't have a cushy job and a house with a white picket fence, two cars, a stay-at-home wife, and 2 1/2 kids is because they're "too lazy to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps."

    I live in Orlando (In Florida, a red state, mind you.) Rent over the past three years has gone up somewhere in the neighborhood of 25%. Wages have not. Luckily my company did a cost of living increase not long ago on top of yearly raises, but I'm under zero illusions that most companies do that. I'm currently paying 1,600 a month (before utilities) for a fairly sizeable one-bedroom apartment in a nice area, and that's considered a steal. I can't imagine how someone working minimum wage ($11.00 an hour) can make a living in Orlando.

    Now get this, during the past election voters in the Orlando area overwhelmingly approved a measure that would effectively instate rent control, such that apartments would be unable to raise rent past the increase of the consumer price index. A coalition of rental property holders immediately moved to block the provision from going forward to protect their income, and the measure sits uninstated, three months later.

    So tell me, how are your Youtube courses supposed to help out people in that situation, hm? And that's the country over.

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