Neltharax, Enemy of the Sky Bow Changes, WoW Hotfixes - February 24, 2023

Is that REALLY necessary? In my raid the BM hunter does 10k more DPS than me, a demo WL, while having the same logs (85 percentile) and same ilvl on ST. Somehow I feel that BM would not suffer when the bow was not compensated in such an extreme way. Some buffs might be fine, but this here seems a bit extreme. Those are not just slight adjustments. Those are buffs you only see for classes that are bottom of the list. Which hunter is far away from.

You guys forgot to add sv, makes sv a bow user again. Lul.

Originally Posted by LordVargK

Is that REALLY necessary? In my raid the BM hunter does 10k more DPS than me, a demo WL, while having the same logs (85 percentile) and same ilvl on ST. Somehow I feel that BM would not suffer when the bow was not compensated in such an extreme way. Some buffs might be fine, but this here seems a bit extreme. Those are not just slight adjustments. Those are buffs you only see for classes that are bottom of the list. Which hunter is far away from.

Ha Ha thats cause us BM hunters rule, everyone knows locks drool and make lock candy.

Originally Posted by LordVargK

Is that REALLY necessary? In my raid the BM hunter does 10k more DPS than me, a demo WL, while having the same logs (85 percentile) and same ilvl on ST. Somehow I feel that BM would not suffer when the bow was not compensated in such an extreme way. Some buffs might be fine, but this here seems a bit extreme. Those are not just slight adjustments. Those are buffs you only see for classes that are bottom of the list. Which hunter is far away from.

Notice, this is a huge nerf to BM hunters not a buff....even with the spell buffs this is still a huge nerf.

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Originally Posted by Subrias

You guys forgot to add sv, makes sv a bow user again. Lul.

They should of made surv into a tank spec lol

BM Hunters getting the Ret Treatment.


TO.

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G R O U N D

Originally Posted by Neotart

Notice, this is a huge nerf to BM hunters not a buff....even with the spell buffs this is still a huge nerf.

Not if you don't have the bow.

Originally Posted by LordVargK

Is that REALLY necessary? In my raid the BM hunter does 10k more DPS than me, a demo WL, while having the same logs (85 percentile) and same ilvl on ST. Somehow I feel that BM would not suffer when the bow was not compensated in such an extreme way. Some buffs might be fine, but this here seems a bit extreme. Those are not just slight adjustments. Those are buffs you only see for classes that are bottom of the list. Which hunter is far away from.

Cobra shot for example does like 1-2% of the overall damage. It sounds like strong buffs, but they really are not.

Originally Posted by LordVargK

Is that REALLY necessary? In my raid the BM hunter does 10k more DPS than me, a demo WL, while having the same logs (85 percentile) and same ilvl on ST. Somehow I feel that BM would not suffer when the bow was not compensated in such an extreme way. Some buffs might be fine, but this here seems a bit extreme. Those are not just slight adjustments. Those are buffs you only see for classes that are bottom of the list. Which hunter is far away from.

you saying this means you fundamentally dont understand how bm works. bm isnt even 'op', it has its one niche (ST to the detriment of any target swapping period). and its not like bm is top of the charts on any fight except maybe terros?

Looking at warcraftlogs statistics at 90th percentile (my options were 80 or 90)

Eranog - Demo #2, BM#20
Terros - Demo #25, BM#1
Council - Demo #13, BM #23
sennarth - Demo #25, BM #3
Dathea - Demo #25, Bm#13
grimtotem - Demo #8, BM#24
broodkeeper - Demo #4, BM#16
Rasz- demo #3, BM#18

so demo has 3 fights where it excells well beyond BM (and two of them are the last bosses in the instance), whereas BM is great on terros and sennarth and either mediocre or close to the bottom for all the rest.

Either your memory is selective or you are lying.

So they added an item that turned out to be so powerful that it was separating parses into "do you have this weapon or not", and now, after the fact, they are nerfing it and buffing hunter damage abilities to compensate?

Blizz just keeps finding new ways to incompetently mishandle the game.

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Originally Posted by Neotart

They should of made surv into a tank spec lol

There's already six tank specs in the game and still a tank shortage; adding one more won't really change much sadly

So BM hunter, the current best ST build in the game by a fairly wide margin, is getting roughly a 3-4% buff with the bow, and about a 15% buff without the bow. Good job bliz, your terrible balance streak continues unabated.

Originally Posted by anon5123

So they added an item that turned out to be so powerful that it was separating parses into "do you have this weapon or not", and now, after the fact, they are nerfing it and buffing hunter damage abilities to compensate?

Blizz just keeps finding new ways to incompetently mishandle the game.

They admitted they unintentionally made the weapon more powerful than they anticipated, how else should they nerf it after this realization?

Originally Posted by rrayy

Not if you don't have the bow.

Agreed, people are acting like everyone has the bow lol. Super excited for the buffs, I thought we were already really strong, but I will always take some buffs.

Originally Posted by rrayy

Not if you don't have the bow.

Would upvote and give good ratings if I could, it's like goddang, many didn't even have the bow.

Originally Posted by Relapses

They admitted they unintentionally made the weapon more powerful than they anticipated, how else should they nerf it after this realization?

nothing less than a free year of gametime and a personal letter from whoever runs blizzard this week expressing their deepest condolences.

Originally Posted by chorx

nothing less than a free year of gametime and a personal letter from whoever runs blizzard this week expressing their deepest condolences.

yo i dont post much but hahahahahaha i actually hate these devs now. i wish i could stop playing this game. and pvp is a complete clown fest now, warrior priest and warlock are insanely op its not even in the realm of fair or fun to fight them.

i firmly believe that the devs who actually played this game are long gone, and instead of people playing during lunch etc, they are browsing tik tok or doing anything else because they actually dont like wow or the players. why else would things be the way they are for so long, they lie about the automated report system, i mean honestly this has become so absolutely insane to me, i am just blown away every day the actions this company take in a 2023 environment and as i get older nothing has improved literally not one things has gotten better besides the art music and cinematics team who i pray to god sleep very good at night

you would think after all the years and experience blizz has this type of thing wouldnt happen but it does. its just embarassing and not even surprising at this point when we see buffs/nerfs of 50% values, all logic is completely out the window and they just change random things based on what they want you to play or can manage.

Originally Posted by Mustardisbad

Agreed, people are acting like everyone has the bow lol. Super excited for the buffs, I thought we were already really strong, but I will always take some buffs.

I mean, when legendaries were nerfed people would still take it as nerfing the class.

If the top damage your class can output was just decreased, what else are you supposed to call it besides a nerf?

Originally Posted by azuremyst

yo i dont post much but hahahahahaha i actually hate these devs now. i wish i could stop playing this game. and pvp is a complete clown fest now, warrior priest and warlock are insanely op its not even in the realm of fair or fun to fight them.

i firmly believe that the devs who actually played this game are long gone, and instead of people playing during lunch etc, they are browsing tik tok or doing anything else because they actually dont like wow or the players. why else would things be the way they are for so long, they lie about the automated report system, i mean honestly this has become so absolutely insane to me, i am just blown away every day the actions this company take in a 2023 environment and as i get older nothing has improved literally not one things has gotten better besides the art music and cinematics team who i pray to god sleep very good at night

you would think after all the years and experience blizz has this type of thing wouldnt happen but it does. its just embarassing and not even surprising at this point when we see buffs/nerfs of 50% values, all logic is completely out the window and they just change random things based on what they want you to play or can manage.

must be so much fun to complain about this game that you still play after hating it so much

what a sad life

hello? pvp balance? nobody used that in pvp to begin with.

Should have just left it alone until next tier at this point. Going to be a big hit to mm too. And those buffs to compensate are a joke.

Originally Posted by ryan92084

Should have just left it alone until next tier at this point. Going to be a big hit to mm too. And those buffs to compensate are a joke.

Am I missing something? MM doesn't (typically) use a pet so why would this change effect MM at all?