World First Mythic Scalecommander Sarkareth by Liquid - Aberrus Race to World First

Originally Posted by Vilendor

Yeah, lets ignore they spent 24 hours less raiding then Liquid and they are at the same spot, but they "under performed" ...

its easier to kill a boss when you can just copy the better guilds strat. makes sense to take less time

Originally Posted by Vilendor

Yeah, lets ignore they spent 24 hours less raiding then Liquid and they are at the same spot, but they "under performed" ...

Would this be a bad time that Echo has needed more pulls for the last boss at this point?

Side note: From the outside looking in, this raid seems quite undertuned compared to several previous tiers, if pull counts are any indicator.

Congratz. Btw, no Ally guilds anymore huh.

How many attempts?

Originally Posted by DisRuptive1

How many attempts?

According to Raider IO, it took them 114 pulls to down it.

Nice, no Disc Priests but 2 holy is interesting.

Originally Posted by FelPlague

There has never been one.

And there never will be. Community feedback when there's "lore" attached to a Mythic-only version of an encounter is almost universally negative.

Originally Posted by Chilela

From the outside looking in, this raid seems quite undertuned compared to several previous tiers, if pull counts are any indicator.

The previous tiers were actually overtuned. This one was fine.

Originally Posted by anon5123

it's hilarious/sad that even in 2023 there are still people that insist addons "play the game for you"

Actually it would be interesting to have these 3 guilds do a RWF without a single addon and without the 21st player as raid leader.

Originally Posted by kranur

Actually it would be interesting to have these 3 guilds do a RWF without a single addon and without the 21st player as raid leader.

Blizzard is already trying to combat the prevalence of add-on dependence. Echo of Neltharion used "private auras" which was a debuff that couldn't be tracked by a WA. I imagine we'll be seeing more of these types of mechanics moving forward.

Originally Posted by ONCHEhap

Yeah I'm sure the reason world first guilds hire entire dev teams for addon development is because they're irrelevant and not impactful whatsoever

he said they don't play the game for you, he didn't say they aren't impactful whatsoever. please think at least like one thought or two thoughts before u just slam a 5 iq reply

Originally Posted by anon5123

it's hilarious/sad that even in 2023 there are still people that insist addons "play the game for you"

You don't even get banned in FF14, game has no anti-cheat. Most top raiders use XiVAlexander to simulate low ping, and also botting is very safe. No anti cheat is rly sad for a modern game.

not a single hunter in set up .

but blizz keeps nerfing hunters.

tuning ad 2023

I really dont follow world first, except for maybe the last boss, because i miss when raiding was like this, people actually got excited to down stuff not just another loot pinata, even working on heroic right now we downed the 4th boss and it was almost quiet as a tomb in there, but that could just be my experience with raiding these days, Grats to them!!!

Originally Posted by javierdsv

The previous tiers were actually overtuned. This one was fine.

Also big difference in that this end boss wasn't a 10+ minute fight, iirc someone on liquid said if the fight was as long as other end bosses it would have easily added another 100-200 pulls.

Originally Posted by kamuimac

not a single hunter in set up .

but blizz keeps nerfing hunters.

tuning ad 2023

If you knew why you wouldnt have made this post. It had nothing to do with hunters damage. It had to do with holy priests interaction with defensive cds. Hunters turtle does not get CD reduction, Exhilaration does. Meaning if your trying to survive big dmg bringing classes whos defensives provide damage reduction is more helpful than a heal defensive.

Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels

If you knew why you wouldnt have made this post. It had nothing to do with hunters damage. It had to do with holy priests interaction with defensive cds. Hunters turtle does not get CD reduction, Exhilaration does. Meaning if your trying to survive big dmg bringing classes whos defensives provide damage reduction is more helpful than a heal defensive.

Typical armchair dev that guy, eh? Thx for explanation, that’s neat!

bit sad it didnt even last a week
would like for some brutal balancing that makes this a at atleast 2-3 weeks epic race >:3
but than people would probably cry nonstop in the forums its to hard and stuff

Congrats to Liquid, was fun watching them trying to get the kill with their last wipes and then to go ahead and finally do it.

Echo were right on their tail too! Exciting stuff

At the end of the day it was a short race, but I think I prefer that.

While I do think that Liquid overall performed better than Echo this Tier, the fact that there is a headstart for NA is still relevant. It's not even grounds - Echo might have had more trys, but still took about a day less. I would love to see the event hosted on even grounds, or have the Timer for RWF start from the actualy reset of your respective region. I would REALLY love to see how this would end up.