Recent Actions Against Exploitative Accounts - November 2023
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
To provide more transparency on the actions we take against cheating and exploitation, here is an accounting of the number of actions that were taken over the last month, November 2023:

Total Exploitative WoW Account Actions in November 2023: 197455

All of these actions were for cheating or exploitation, which primarily result in permanent bans or 6-month suspensions. This number does not include other actions such as those taken on accounts with character name or in-game language violations. We continue to evolve our methods and act against these malicious accounts on a daily basis.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Recent Actions Against Exploitative Accounts - November 2023 started by Lumy View original post
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  1. phattsao's Avatar
    Yet bots persist. I think most of us just look at whatever meaningless number they copy/paste in there every time and laugh.

    As long as the bots are paying for subscriptions, Blizzard has no incentive to actually do anything to stop this. And so it goes.
  1. Ryzeth's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by phattsao View Post
    Yet bots persist. I think most of us just look at whatever meaningless number they copy/paste in there every time and laugh.

    As long as the bots are paying for subscriptions, Blizzard has no incentive to actually do anything to stop this. And so it goes.

    There's always gotta be that one guy.

    I'm just gonna point towards this. (ex-Blizz dev who doesn't like Blizz)
  1. ArenaDk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by phattsao View Post
    Yet bots persist. I think most of us just look at whatever meaningless number they copy/paste in there every time and laugh.

    As long as the bots are paying for subscriptions, Blizzard has no incentive to actually do anything to stop this. And so it goes.
    You have ex developer of blizzard who hate blizzard, explain how there is nothing more blizzard can do against bots. But you know it better.... why again?
  1. Biomega's Avatar
    "They could fix everything easily, they simply choose not to because they're lazy and greedy!"
    -Person who has no idea how anything works in any way whatsoever
  1. Luthorite's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by phattsao View Post
    Yet bots persist. I think most of us just look at whatever meaningless number they copy/paste in there every time and laugh.

    As long as the bots are paying for subscriptions, Blizzard has no incentive to actually do anything to stop this. And so it goes.
    Exactly. Money is all they care about and it's tragic.

    This whole "we're banning" = squat when I see bots on Retail and Classic en masse still.
  1. Daedius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryzeth View Post
    There's always gotta be that one guy.

    I'm just gonna point towards this. (ex-Blizz dev who doesn't like Blizz)
    There's tracking for botting input behavior detection from a third party level, and then there's data analysis within their own game statistically.

    Are you telling me Blizzard is incapable of tracking the statistics of an account/character? A new account/character that has 300k kills of farming within 2 days should automatically be a red flag...

    A gold seller's gold exchange character amassing all the gold directed to it from dozens of newly made characters?

    No?

    These ban waves literally do jack shit other than to catch out the odd player trying to cheat, does nothing to impede gold sellers who made their profits inbetween these long waves to immediately be back a day later after.

    All I see in these announcements is PR of Blizzard saying: "Look, we did a thing!".
  1. agentsi's Avatar
    None of you complaining have any suggestions or solutions. Only complaints.

    Banning in waves doesn't give the offender/bots notice of what they did wrong to get banned, so it becomes harder to fix it. If they got banned as soon as they logged in, they could easily alter the code to bypass what got them banned in the first place, and continue to do so moving forward. The way they do it now is much smarter, leaving the bots guessing on what to do.

    Yet all of you complaining, can't even understand why they do it. All you have is "Blizzard Bad". It sounds like a bunch of mentally ill people trying to find a reason to be upset.
  1. Hotmail's Avatar
    SoD Hillsbrad is full of Hunters named efhjjwkfhw with chinese character pets. How those aren't insta-banned is beyond me.
  1. Biomega's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Are you telling me Blizzard is incapable of tracking the statistics of an account/character?
    Don't confuse "impossible" with "unfeasible", or "incapable" with "unwilling".

    Few things are truly impossible. It's mostly a matter of proportionality: how much effort is it worth investing into solving a particular problem. And I'm not talking about greed here - there's costs associated with this that are way beyond simply lowering profits, but that are in no proportion to the actual benefits of the solution.

    It's like asking why the government doesn't persecute all crime. Is it truly impossible to prosecute all the petty criminals? No. It's simply way too much effort to put into something like prosecuting someone for stealing a $2 pack of gum or whatever other crime that while detrimental to society has so small an overall impact that the cost of prosecution and sentencing is in no proportion to the actual benefit. Even the collective benefit of multiple such crimes in the aggregate. The solutions to such problems lie elsewhere.

    Trying to pursue and ban all botters isn't impossible but it's a financial and work-hour black hole that is not worth throwing oodles of money and people into. ESPECIALLY since to the average rando, the existence of botters barely even makes a difference in their day-to-day game experience. They may get annoyed here and there, there may be a little inflation over time... but by and large, it's not like their play experience is constantly being actively ruined. So what you're suggesting is setting gigantic piles of cash on fire, possibly having massive false-positive collateral damage on the bans, all so... what, you can look at a Wowhead post saying "WoW has finally eliminated all botting forever" and comment "really Blizzard that is what you spend our sub money on greedy bastards should have made content instead but noooo they know best GG losers #bobbysyacht"?
  1. Twdft's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    None of you complaining have any suggestions or solutions. Only complaints.
    On a rational level you know that ban waves every couple months is probably the best way to go about it.

    On an emotional level you see a bot every day, report it every day, nothing happens for a couple months and it's fucking frustrating. So you complain to get it off your chest. Understandable, have a nice day.
  1. Mysterymask's Avatar
    I think this might be one of those transparency things that shouldn't of became transparent.

    Anyone who knows blizzards trying still know they are trying this might reassure them a bit but opinion probably didn't change

    Anyone who thinks they are doing nothing still believe they are doing nothing and this means nothing

    Hell I think the best things to show they did something is when the big ban waves happen and loads of people are suddenly bitching up a storm that they got banned which hilariously ends up being the ones in the second category quite ofteb
  1. Relapses's Avatar
    Monthly reminder that Blizzard bankrupting itself to combat bots by paying people $60,000/yr to sit in a room and press the 'delete bot' button is an abhorrently offensive and stupid idea.
  1. Ryzeth's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Are you telling me Blizzard is incapable of tracking the statistics of an account/character?
    Strawmanning is something you shouldn't be doing.


    Dunno why I'm bothering given your blatant strawman but... I'll add, even though Biomega and Agentsi already covered it... If you even watched what I linked, you'd know why they ban in waves despite how 'bad' you might think it is.

    Here's another one of his, just for good measure.
  1. starkey's Avatar
    Incoming another sale, whenever they ban bots a sale is on the horizon.
  1. Mastacow's Avatar
    "Hey guyz...we managed to gain 197455 new accounts this week" - blizzard, probably.
  1. Caprias's Avatar
    Ban. Gold. Buyers.

    Even if they just hit 10%~ once the word get's out it will have a ripple effect and the demand will massively drop which in turn will reduce botting massively long term.

    There is quite the difference between a botter just having to cut a bit above even to justify scaling up operations and a buyer having to think twice if buying gold is really worth risking the account they put hundreds if not thousands of hours into.
  1. Relapses's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Caprias View Post
    Ban. Gold. Buyers.

    Even if they just hit 10%~ once the word get's out it will have a ripple effect and the demand will massively drop which in turn will reduce botting massively long term.

    There is quite the difference between a botter just having to cut a bit above even to justify scaling up operations and a buyer having to think twice if buying gold is really worth risking the account they put hundreds if not thousands of hours into.
    They do ban gold buyers. In fact, one of the biggest ban waves for gold buyers happened right after they introduced the token.
  1. Daedius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryzeth View Post
    Strawmanning is something you shouldn't be doing.


    Dunno why I'm bothering given your blatant strawman but... I'll add, even though Biomega and Agentsi already covered it... If you even watched what I linked, you'd know why they ban in waves despite how 'bad' you might think it is.

    Here's another one of his, just for good measure.
    I said to look at the account/character statistics, not the updating methods of detecting botting software... those discussions in that video were about that layer of "defence" detecting bots be they inputs/injections, circuits taken, or whatever, requiring an update.

    Devs of botting software can always fiddle around to circumvent the last ban wave... they can't do anything about statistics the character or account accumulates server side... which would raise red flags for abnormal statistics of blatant botting activity.

    This would force gold sellers the need to use more accounts that might make it not feasible for them and/or slow down their botting activity per account.

    I know there's no definitive way of tackling bots, but there sure as hell are ways to lessen their impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starkey View Post
    Incoming another sale, whenever they ban bots a sale is on the horizon.
    They're advertising the catch up boost
  1. Ghostile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    There's tracking for botting input behavior detection from a third party level, and then there's data analysis within their own game statistically.

    Are you telling me Blizzard is incapable of tracking the statistics of an account/character? A new account/character that has 300k kills of farming within 2 days should automatically be a red flag...

    A gold seller's gold exchange character amassing all the gold directed to it from dozens of newly made characters?

    No?

    These ban waves literally do jack shit other than to catch out the odd player trying to cheat, does nothing to impede gold sellers who made their profits inbetween these long waves to immediately be back a day later after.

    All I see in these announcements is PR of Blizzard saying: "Look, we did a thing!".
    If you got the solution to bots you could sell it to the highest bidder on the gaming market and become a millionaire, because there are no companies on the market who have solved this despite decades of experience. Congrats.
  1. Mendzia's Avatar
    Another month another confirmation that 'Token is here to fight bots!' was a total lie.

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