Heroes of the Storm Live Patch Notes - May 21, 2024

WoW Remix Tuning and Adjustments - May 21
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We’ve continued to deploy hotfixes to the game in response to feedback and data that we’re seeing. The following adjustments are now live, and are intended to address concerns about the balance of low- and high-level players in various Remix content:

  • The health of creatures in heroic scenarios has been decreased by 20% - 25%, based on the players’ levels. Higher level players will see enemies incur a larger decrease.
  • The health and damage of creatures on the Timeless Isle, Isle of Giants, and Isle of Thunder has been reduced.
  • Several spell gems (that were not down scaling up or down correctly based on player level) have been adjusted so that they provide a more-appropriate scaling effect. This includes Cold Front, Windweaver, Vampiric Aura, and Lightning Rod.
  • Spell gems with shielding effects should no longer cause threat.
  • Fixed a bug with Righteous Frenzy not canceling upon the end of combat.
  • Timerunner’s Vial mana regen significantly increased.

We’ll have all of the above, as well as other hotfixes to various issues, listed in our next hotfixes update.

Thanks again for all of your feedback!



We have made the following changes to improve Thread of Time gain for the Cloak of Infinite Potential. There are four new items that grant players escalating amounts of power for the Cloak of Infinite Potential:

  • Minor Spool of Eternal Thread
  • Lesser Spool of Eternal Thread
  • Spool of Eternal Thread
  • Greater Spool of Eternal Thread

Players will be able to find these new items from a variety of solo and group sources, ensuring all players have accessible ways to improve their cloak:

  • Infinite Bazaar Repeatable Dailies
  • First-Time Daily Scenario, Dungeon, and each LFR queue
  • World Bosses
  • Remix Achievements
    • Each of these achievements are available for additional characters to complete as well for bonus Bronze - and now bonus Spools of Eternal Thread.
  • Troves of the Thunder King scenario on the Isle of Thunder

Our goal with these additional items is to give players access to more Threads of Time from daily repeatable sources for primary and secondary characters. These should serve as readily attainable power-ups from a wide variety of content, so players can enjoy the breadth of Pandaria while also gaining additional power.
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  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    You've just described almost all the rare mounts, toys, and cosmetics in the game. This is just another avenue to get some of the items that are already available to players. And frankly you might be better off grinding out some of them on retail while they've got daily loot lockouts during this event.
    do you have the kind of time to spend sitting at spawn points waiting for them to show up so you could hopefully one shot them before anyone else does and do that DAILY? cause I don't. see that's the sad irony of this whole thing. even with obscene amount of grinding most of us are STILL more likely to buy those mounts with bronze than EVER get them to drop on live.


    also - funny story.

    did the same heroic scenario today - twice. once on a lowbie alt with what appeared to be a frog farmer, and once on my high level main with 2 other people similar level to mine and non frog gear. guess who managed to finish it with no trouble and who had to give up on the last boss, take a WILD guess.

    scaling is totally fixed you guys!!!! there is not at all anything wrong with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    lets see, I'm at a day played and and have played every day since it started, so I've played for about 3 hours a day at 45 or so K bronze that's about 6400 bronze a day. Though like half of that play time is dicking around with the friend I'm playing with not even trying to make any progress, for example we sat in the vally for about an hour a yesterday transmoging and talking about crossbows.

    There are then 10 mounts that cost 38k (less then I had thought), 2 toys that cost that much, and 2 that are 50k. adding all that up its 556000 and with my current earnings that would take me about 86 days to get all the high end stuff if I put all my bronze into it.

    so in theory I could get all the high end items before the evented ended if I stuck to my currant rather rubbish rate of progress of not even trying and that's assuming bronze gains don't ever increase with levels or doing higher content. Even if earning's didn't increase and say I stopped spending half my play time spinning my wheels Id have it all in about 43 days with half the event left to get other items.
    thank you for the answer and good for you on being able to play remix for 3 hours a day every single day and not accounting for remix exclusive rewards...
  1. Lorgar Aurelian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    thank you for the answer and good for you on being able to play remix for 3 hours a day every single day and not accounting for remix exclusive rewards...
    most of that actual time is going to be from the weekend so not actually 3 hours a day, Like launch day I made a character and got to the monkey boat quest before stopping which likely took me like half an hour.

    and then of course if Bronze grain rates increase which id be surprised if they didn't atleast double then id most if not all of the exclusive rewards would be covered well before the event ends.
  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    most of that actual time is going to be from the weekend so not actually 3 hours a day, Like launch day I made a character and got to the monkey boat quest before stopping which likely took me like half an hour.

    and then of course if Bronze grain rates increase which id be surprised if they didn't atleast double then id most if not all of the exclusive rewards would be covered well before the event ends.
    I hope you are right because, even considering weekend, I just don't have anywhere near that kind of time to spend on remix alone. I know it may sound weird - but I'd like to use some my available playtime in retail, and maybe play a few other games here and there.

    meanwhile... anyone attempted "dagger in the dark" solo? cause... yep - they TOTALY fixed the scaling >_>
  1. PenguinChan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    do you have the kind of time to spend sitting at spawn points waiting for them to show up so you could hopefully one shot them before anyone else does and do that DAILY? cause I don't. see that's the sad irony of this whole thing. even with obscene amount of grinding most of us are STILL more likely to buy those mounts with bronze than EVER get them to drop on live.


    also - funny story.

    did the same heroic scenario today - twice. once on a lowbie alt with what appeared to be a frog farmer, and once on my high level main with 2 other people similar level to mine and non frog gear. guess who managed to finish it with no trouble and who had to give up on the last boss, take a WILD guess.

    scaling is totally fixed you guys!!!! there is not at all anything wrong with it!

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    thank you for the answer and good for you on being able to play remix for 3 hours a day every single day and not accounting for remix exclusive rewards...
    Not counting scaling being worked on, you can get 2,000 easily from both scenarios and both dungeons. You’re really rewarded for upgrading your gear though. I’m at 402, all accessories but the necklace and I’m about to upgrade my weapn again. I’m soloing rares, even the zandalari ones or ToT / Timeless isle. I’m easily making all scenarios I join and dungeons faster. Raids are more smooth and outside of bugged instances m I’m making everything go faster and faster. The daily extra +100 threads are making my character that much stronger even faster lol.

    They’ll keep buffing things. I’m not even awarded retroactively for all the threads I’m missing from past achievements. It’ll keep getting faster and faster, easier and easier. Not counting the free carries groups will get by people grinding away or just doing dailies.

    But until scaling is fixed it’s kind of a pain atm if you don’t upgrade your gear.
  1. thunderdragon2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Is this more of the "I need tons of bronze because I also need to buy the stuff I can farm in game whenever" (seriously if anyone's complaining about the cost of the cosmetics while including lfr appearances in their overall cost, they're just being intentionally misleading then)

    Or is this about the gear upgrades, because that isn't actually an issue with bronze itself and rather the system, they shouldn't up the bronze since they'd have to adjust the cosmetic cost then too
    the issue with the 1at part is here your not subject to drop rng unlike in remix the issue with bronze imo is that itns not enough for the time needed to be invested on a daily basis to do all of the 5 raids on lfr and normal as tot and soo are way harder than palace terrace and hof on normal and over twice as long, as ppl dont know /drnt remember/dont care about the mechanics in remix

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    So you think its not outside the realm of possibility that people:

    1) Have enough bronze to upgrade gear fully

    AND

    2) are able to comfortably purchase things they want, including the high value things like mounts?


    at 70, upgrading a piece of gear is 1500-2000 bronze PER piece. 16,000 Bronze for a single boost in item level across all 8 pieces. And that's NOT including weapons. Unless I'm mistaken, that number scales up with every item level boost too.
    let me fix that for you at level the small items like bracers cost 2250 per upgrade the teir slots cost 4450 per the non teir slots cost about 3k per and for a 2h user you are sinking 9k per (dono the price of a 1h and off hand single upgrade cost as i play a bear) and to top it all off you cant just sink all your bronze into 1 item passed 346 you have to get every item to 460 ( next upgrade after 346 be4 the game will allow you to upgrade to the level after that||

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    how long did it take you? now how many of those mounts are there on a vendor?

    and maybe not everyone is interested in toys, but I am.. and they are even more expensive then mounts...

    how long did it take you to make that much vs how many of them are on the vendor (and of the listed ones I have like 3 toys and zero mounts, because rng hates me and always have)

    now.. compare that to the length of the event
    all bar 1 mount thats available in remix is on the vendor that is new which i beleive is 32 theres also the world boss mounts there is well the final one is form the vale of eteral blossoms meta
  1. MrLachyG's Avatar
    they need to make the rings/trinkets/necks you can buy account wide. the achievement is account wide, so why are the rewards still locked?
  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    Not counting scaling being worked on, you can get 2,000 easily from both scenarios and both dungeons. You’re really rewarded for upgrading your gear though. I’m at 402, all accessories but the necklace and I’m about to upgrade my weapn again. I’m soloing rares, even the zandalari ones or ToT / Timeless isle. I’m easily making all scenarios I join and dungeons faster. Raids are more smooth and outside of bugged instances m I’m making everything go faster and faster. The daily extra +100 threads are making my character that much stronger even faster lol.

    They’ll keep buffing things. I’m not even awarded retroactively for all the threads I’m missing from past achievements. It’ll keep getting faster and faster, easier and easier. Not counting the free carries groups will get by people grinding away or just doing dailies.

    But until scaling is fixed it’s kind of a pain atm if you don’t upgrade your gear.
    I haven't even been able to finish heroic scenario on my now max level - and unless something changes and/or rings achievement based gear is made account wide? I'm never going to have those. also - doing 2 dungeons and 2 scenarios takes.. how long? given that its a content I don't actualy enjoy and would rather quest - doing those means I don't have time to quest. and it really doesn't seem all that efficient as far as bronze goes either - it does help with upgrading the cape now that they added all those extra threads, but I found it easier, for me at least, to stick to random normal to complete the dailies at the bazar and then move back to questing. as it is, its already too much grouping for me, but at least it helps with building up my character to suck slightly less. especially since I wasn't retroactively awarded all of those threads from prior achievements either.

    and its honestly such a catch 22. do I spend precious bronze that I'm already running short on - to upgrade gear in hopes of maaaybe earning enough bronze to compensate? or do I stick to what I'm doing and maybe even manage to level a few alts here and there - which was one of my original goals for the event and hope I earn enough bronze THAT way.
  1. lordjust's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    I hope you are right because, even considering weekend, I just don't have anywhere near that kind of time to spend on remix alone. I know it may sound weird - but I'd like to use some my available playtime in retail, and maybe play a few other games here and there.

    meanwhile... anyone attempted "dagger in the dark" solo? cause... yep - they TOTALY fixed the scaling >_>
    I finished dagger in the dark solo yesterday. Had to spec into tank to survive because when the first boss enrages and you have to kite him into a trap, his auto attacks oneshot me (234k overkill and have something around 490k HP). As a tank (346ilvl with full legendary gems, but only one trinket, no rings, no neck) you can survive that with mitigation but the boss fights take minutes. The boss has something around 12mil HP and I did around 60kdps as a tank, so around 3-4 minute fight. Second boss took even longer because he constantly kicks you through the room and voljins totems were bugged. Third boss also constantly stunned me despite me turning around quickly enough so he can't backstab me. Completing the scenario took something like 30 minutes or so. Normal mobs were a joke but the bosses do way too much damage and have way too much health.

    Open world doesn't feel as bad. I can solo normal rares and even the zandalari warbringers with 15 mil HP but in scenarios and dungeons, normal mobs almost oneshot me (200k autohits).

    They either have to take another pass on scaling, increase further earning of threads or reduce the cost for upgrading items. MoP Remix was advertised as a fun experience to earn cosmetics but for now it seems if you haven't farmed frogs day 1, you have to use all your bronze to upgrade your gear to do any content at all at max level.
  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lordjust View Post
    I finished dagger in the dark solo yesterday. Had to spec into tank to survive because when the first boss enrages and you have to kite him into a trap, his auto attacks oneshot me (234k overkill and have something around 490k HP). As a tank (346ilvl with full legendary gems, but only one trinket, no rings, no neck) you can survive that with mitigation but the boss fights take minutes. The boss has something around 12mil HP and I did around 60kdps as a tank, so around 3-4 minute fight. Second boss took even longer because he constantly kicks you through the room and voljins totems were bugged. Third boss also constantly stunned me despite me turning around quickly enough so he can't backstab me. Completing the scenario took something like 30 minutes or so. Normal mobs were a joke but the bosses do way too much damage and have way too much health.

    Open world doesn't feel as bad. I can solo normal rares and even the zandalari warbringers with 15 mil HP but in scenarios and dungeons, normal mobs almost oneshot me (200k autohits).

    They either have to take another pass on scaling, increase further earning of threads or reduce the cost for upgrading items. MoP Remix was advertised as a fun experience to earn cosmetics but for now it seems if you haven't farmed frogs day 1, you have to use all your bronze to upgrade your gear to do any content at all at max level.
    Had the same experience with incoming damage as you did, except I gave up and queued up for it - went a little bit better that way, but good god, some of the damage you take is absolutely bonkers and maker help you if you didn't run heroics/normal raids at low level when you were still op and so don't have the rings/neck now...

    my plans for the next week or two at this point and this sucks because this is not my preferred way of playing - is to prioritize bazaar dailies as they award legendary threads at high level AND bronze caches and you you can complete them entirely through lfr/normal random modes. I'm going to do that on my 70 AND on couple of alts I wanted to level and IF... I have any time left, I may go and quest a bit more. those cashes of infinite treasure from regular quest rewards award absolutely insulting pittance of about 60 bronze per complete quest.. but sure... you can totally get all the bronze you need just by "playing the game"
  1. Lodidop's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    It’ll keep getting faster and faster, easier and easier. Not counting the free carries groups will get by people grinding away or just doing dailies.
    This is Remix in a nutshell. With that being said, it's gonna get overwhelming real fast to start alts in Remix.
  1. WowIsDead64's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lodidop View Post
    This is Remix in a nutshell. With that being said, it's gonna get overwhelming real fast to start alts in Remix.
    Standard problem. In order for content to become easier we should do some content in a first place. Problem is - it isn't doable. Everything is so overtuned, that it takes 30-40min to complete dungeon without froggers in party. This is complete nonsense, sorry.
  1. Nephod's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Puri View Post
    Now I'd really interested how you do that, I completed all quests and don't think there is one left, did the lfr and random dungeons some days, and it netted an overall of 80k bronze. So what's your secret to get 40k a day by casual relaxing?
    I can sum up my day today: 32700 bronze (I only played 3 hours).
    I did daily hc scenario and daily hc dungeon.
    Then I did dailies (mostly Sunreavers) and "world tour" of rare spawns (joining groups whenever I was near a spawn).

    Yesterday I did join a raid, ToT, just to see what it was like. Won't do it again. All we did was abuse ward meta gem, so every boss flopped over. Hard pass.
  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nephod View Post
    I can sum up my day today: 32700 bronze (I only played 3 hours).
    I did daily hc scenario and daily hc dungeon.
    Then I did dailies (mostly Sunreavers) and "world tour" of rare spawns (joining groups whenever I was near a spawn).

    Yesterday I did join a raid, ToT, just to see what it was like. Won't do it again. All we did was abuse ward meta gem, so every boss flopped over. Hard pass.
    how?????

    I played about 2.5 hours just now. quested on a new lowbie alt just enough to get her some skills to take her into groupfinder and did daily random heroic dungeon and scenario with her (note - looks like rewards from boxes given for completing random - are the same regardless of level) netted about 4.5k there mainly from the dungeon daily rewards (mainly from the bazar dailies and and random daily boxes - said alt is now lvl 21 incidentally), switched over to my main, did bazar dailies for dungeon, scenario and 2 raid bosses - did those on normal and lfr respectively, primarily cause I leveled my main through questing and she is too weak to take into heroics still. did a bit of questing afterwards. got another 5kish on her - again primarily from doing group content WITH daily from bazar as infinite treasure boxes are SHITE when it comes to earning bronze and I'm mostly questing because I like it and because I still have a few achievements left and those at least award decent bronze.. content not too different from what you did - one third of the bronze you got? so.. how? even if you account for turning in lesser charms, you don't really get all that many of them, so I don't know a few hundred extra bronze there?

    I'm very. VERY.. confused.
  1. Nephod's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    how?????

    I played about 2.5 hours just now. quested on a new lowbie alt just enough to get her some skills to take her into groupfinder and did daily random heroic dungeon and scenario with her (note - looks like rewards from boxes given for completing random - are the same regardless of level) netted about 4.5k there mainly from the dungeon daily rewards (mainly from the bazar dailies and and random daily boxes - said alt is now lvl 21 incidentally), switched over to my main, did bazar dailies for dungeon, scenario and 2 raid bosses - did those on normal and lfr respectively, primarily cause I leveled my main through questing and she is too weak to take into heroics still. did a bit of questing afterwards. got another 5kish on her - again primarily from doing group content WITH daily from bazar as infinite treasure boxes are SHITE when it comes to earning bronze and I'm mostly questing because I like it and because I still have a few achievements left and those at least award decent bronze.. content not too different from what you did - one third of the bronze you got? so.. how? even if you account for turning in lesser charms, you don't really get all that many of them, so I don't know a few hundred extra bronze there?

    I'm very. VERY.. confused.
    I only play 1 character. Most mobs dies n one or two hits. I use windtools for instant/auto turn-ins and accepting new quests. I know the quests from when MoP was retail, so I zoom through things fast.

    I can turn on my stream tomorrow when I do my dailies?
  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nephod View Post
    I only play 1 character. Most mobs dies n one or two hits. I use windtools for instant/auto turn-ins and accepting new quests. I know the quests from when MoP was retail, so I zoom through things fast.

    I can turn on my stream tomorrow when I do my dailies?
    I think I just found the how = underlined.

    now.. I don't know if you invested bronze into upgrades, did heroics to unlock rings while leveling when they were more doable, got lucky with threads or any other combination of the above - but at my gear level that is not getting much better unless chipping away at the cloak will alleviate some of the worse issues eventualy - mobs are taking a lot longer to die then one or 2 hits for me (my main is druid so if I play kitty - my damage is slightly higher, but she is so squishy I still can't pull larger groups and if I stay in resto spec - I'm certainly sturdier, but my damage sucks more). I haven't been able to upgrade my weapon for days now unless I cave and spend bronze on 332 green I have, as all I'm getting to drop are one handers and NO offhands. I don't have any jewelry and likely never will. I have to pull slowly and carefully or die. it fucking sucks.

    and for someone like me, there is no easy or fast way of fixing it. FML
  1. Nephod's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    I think I just found the how = underlined.

    now.. I don't know if you invested bronze into upgrades, did heroics to unlock rings while leveling when they were more doable, got lucky with threads or any other combination of the above - but at my gear level that is not getting much better unless chipping away at the cloak will alleviate some of the worse issues eventualy - mobs are taking a lot longer to die then one or 2 hits for me (my main is druid so if I play kitty - my damage is slightly higher, but she is so squishy I still can't pull larger groups and if I stay in resto spec - I'm certainly sturdier, but my damage sucks more). I haven't been able to upgrade my weapon for days now unless I cave and spend bronze on 332 green I have, as all I'm getting to drop are one handers and NO offhands. I don't have any jewelry and likely never will. I have to pull slowly and carefully or die. it fucking sucks.

    and for someone like me, there is no easy or fast way of fixing it. FML
    I have every jewelery with legendary gems, but I have not upgraded any gear. I have not done any frog farming etc.

    I play cat or bear, depending on what I feel like. Go druids

    I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to get jewelery. It is handed to us very easily. I did have to force myself through normal raids for the amulet, I didn't like that part, but that was one afternoon. Boring, but worth it. The rest I got over days of doing daily random scenario and hc dungeon. Nothing special.

    Go get it
  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nephod View Post
    I have every jewelery with legendary gems, but I have not upgraded any gear. I have not done any frog farming etc.

    I play cat or bear, depending on what I feel like. Go druids

    I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to get jewelery. It is handed to us very easily. I did have to force myself through normal raids for the amulet, I didn't like that part, but that was one afternoon. Boring, but worth it. The rest I got over days of doing daily random scenario and hc dungeon. Nothing special.

    Go get it
    I tried to do heroics on her and failed miserably. things hit too hard and we didn't hit hard enough - last time I tried was yesterday and just... nope. there is a limit of how much unfun I can take on the way to fun and I've hit that. Normal raids are completely out of the question for me, while I di have a few hours a day to play - they are rarely completely uninterrupted. but yeah, having all jewelry definitely explains it.

    ah well...
  1. Sylv_'s Avatar
    Waiting for the next tuning, because gear needs to be addressed.

    Raids historically drop higher ilvl gear. Why isn't that a thing?
    Tokens that upgrade a piece of gear for free could drop.
    XP % on cloak converted to bronze %.

    There are so many ways to add fun, but we are never allowed to have it. Their vision, their game, their dictatorship.
  1. doledippers's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylv_ View Post
    Waiting for the next tuning, because gear needs to be addressed.

    Raids historically drop higher ilvl gear. Why isn't that a thing?
    Tokens that upgrade a piece of gear for free could drop.
    XP % on cloak converted to bronze %.

    There are so many ways to add fun, but we are never allowed to have it. Their vision, their game, their dictatorship.
    this guy just compared a videogame being made in a game he isnt happy with to a dictatorship
  1. Witchblade77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylv_ View Post
    Waiting for the next tuning, because gear needs to be addressed.

    Raids historically drop higher ilvl gear. Why isn't that a thing?
    Tokens that upgrade a piece of gear for free could drop.
    XP % on cloak converted to bronze %.

    There are so many ways to add fun, but we are never allowed to have it. Their vision, their game, their dictatorship.
    well - you will not have to wait for long, this just got posted. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...-today/1861728

    suddenly... alts are definitely worth leveling.

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