WoW Remix Developer Update - May 29
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Hello Timerunners!

As we approach the end of the second week of WoW Remix: Mists of Pandaria, we’d like to take a moment to talk about some very recent updates we’ve made and look forward to the next 11+ weeks that the event will be available.

We’ve now made several changes to address some issues we’ve seen, especially around max level content such as heroic scenarios, heroic dungeons, and raids. Our goal here is to address the sudden increase in enemy power at level 70 for group content and make the transition to higher difficulty raids smoother for players.

  • Heroic Scenario, Heroic Dungeon, and Normal Raids increase in power more slowly between levels 60 and 70. When first reaching level 70, players will continue to be challenged by max-level content, but that increase in difficulty should now be noticeably lessened.
  • Heroic and Mythic raids have been adjusted so there is a smoother transition between them. Before these changes, there was a stark difference in the power of each raid. Now, players should experience a smoother transition that feels more like a natural progression instead of a huge step.

Even with recent hotfixes in place, there is still a significant increase in difficulty for Heroic Throne of Thunder, Heroic Siege of Orgrimmar, and Mythic Siege of Orgrimmar. WoW Remix is designed to provide players who wish to take on the toughest challenges with the means to do so, by upgrading their gear and collecting additional threads.

Looking forward, we want you to know that we do not plan to change the Bronze cost of upgrading gear. We’ve already seen many players make the decision to upgrade items so that they can comfortably take on Heroic raids (and hopefully earn the large amounts of Bronze available from them). The gains in power that come with increasing your item levels are exponential, not linear, and we don’t want anyone to second-guess their decision to become much more powerful.

For players who primarily wish to gather Bronze and acquire some of the cosmetic rewards available in Remix, many options have emerged. We’re seeing some players level up multiple alts for the 40,000 Bronze available from quests at levels 50, 60, and 70, while other players mainly focus on earning Bronze with multiple level-70 characters doing queued content and repeatable daily quests and activities.

We’ll outline all of our recent Remix hotfixes in our hotfixes update post, and we’ll continue to read all of your feedback. It’s been a lot of fun to go on this journey with you.

Thank you very much!
This article was originally published in forum thread: WoW Remix Developer Update - May 29 started by Lumy View original post
Comments 29 Comments
  1. WowIsDead64's Avatar
    I want to refund all that bronze, I wasted on gear upgrades in order to make heroics and heroic scenarios playable instead of buying rewards. Why giving me discount on upgrading gear instead of refunding all bronze for disposing it? I want my bronze back!
  1. leothar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    I want to refund all that bronze, I wasted on gear upgrades in order to make heroics and heroic scenarios playable instead of buying rewards. Why giving me discount on upgrading gear instead of refunding all bronze for disposing it? I want my bronze back!
    I think you need to re-read the post. They are saying they will not be lowering the cost to upgrade gear.
  1. WowIsDead64's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by leothar View Post
    I think you need to re-read the post. They are saying they will not be lowering the cost to upgrade gear.
    And you need to reread my post. I'm not going to do any raids except LFR. No way. So for me extra player power will never pay off. I've bought it just because heroics and heroic scenarios were unplayable. If they're playable at 70 now - I no longer need this power. So, I want refund. Permanent wrong choices are bad. Especially when devs constantly change their minds and fix things only when it's way too late. F**k it. I'll play this event in August, when it will be nerfed to the ground. If not - then no. I will never play any content, designed according to "You gain 0.0000000000000000000000001% of reward for grinding for several hours every day - just play it every day and you'll eventually get it, HAHAHA, LOSER!" again.
  1. leothar's Avatar
    Ah, you're just..... Got it. sorry to disturb you.
  1. Amerissis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    And you need to reread my post. I'm not going to do any raids except LFR. No way. So for me extra player power will never pay off. I've bought it just because heroics and heroic scenarios were unplayable. If they're playable at 70 now - I no longer need this power. So, I want refund. Permanent wrong choices are bad. Especially when devs constantly change their minds and fix things only when it's way too late. F**k it. I'll play this event in August, when it will be nerfed to the ground. If not - then no. I will never play any content, designed according to "You gain 0.0000000000000000000000001% of reward for grinding for several hours every day - just play it every day and you'll eventually get it, HAHAHA, LOSER!" again.
    Why on earth did you need to upgrade for heroic dungeons and scenarios? I played from day one, got to level 70 in a day, did heroics from the start and yes, at 70 they were challenging, but I never needed to upgrade any gear to be able to finish them (in under 20 minutes too). I think you're very impatient and love to whine. Go quit, you said you would before.
  1. johnnyd2's Avatar
    so.... at first i was with the people doomposting about "no upgrade price nerfs". But what they DIDNT rule out was INCREASING the amount of Bronze you EARN!
    wishful thinking? yes. but its helped me feel a bit less "sour" of and outlook on this.
  1. Geckoo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Amerissis View Post
    Why on earth did you need to upgrade for heroic dungeons and scenarios? I played from day one, got to level 70 in a day, did heroics from the start and yes, at 70 they were challenging, but I never needed to upgrade any gear to be able to finish them (in under 20 minutes too). I think you're very impatient and love to whine. Go quit, you said you would before.
    I know that is fun to mess with the guy because of his strange takes, but let's be real, i don't think we can call challenging when people gets potentially one-shot by regular mechanics the closer they get to level 70 and even at level 70 until they get some upgrades and a bunch of threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyd2 View Post
    so.... at first i was with the people doomposting about "no upgrade price nerfs". But what they DIDNT rule out was INCREASING the amount of Bronze you EARN!
    wishful thinking? yes. but its helped me feel a bit less "sour" of and outlook on this.
    I always say that the XP buff should become a bronze gain increase when you hit max level.
  1. Eurhetemec's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyd2 View Post
    so.... at first i was with the people doomposting about "no upgrade price nerfs". But what they DIDNT rule out was INCREASING the amount of Bronze you EARN!
    wishful thinking? yes. but its helped me feel a bit less "sour" of and outlook on this.
    They'll probably drastically increase it - but probably not for a month or more, until 90% of people have quit Remix out of boredom and annoyance (and probably stopped playing WoW entirely until TWW) - because they're in full head-in-ass mode, as you can see from this post.

    And then all the people who said "don't bother with Remix until the last two weeks" will essentially get proven 100% correct, because the increases will no doubt be enough that you can get pretty much everything worth getting in that time period.
  1. micwini's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    They'll probably drastically increase it - but probably not for a month or more, until 90% of people have quit Remix out of boredom and annoyance (and probably stopped playing WoW entirely until TWW) - because they're in full head-in-ass mode, as you can see from this post.

    And then all the people who said "don't bother with Remix until the last two weeks" will essentially get proven 100% correct, because the increases will no doubt be enough that you can get pretty much everything worth getting in that time period.
    Yeah it's so shortsighted of them. They did it in plunderstorm. If they do that now again, people will notice and not play any timelimited events until the last weeks. They should just have a proper reward system from the get go.
  1. WowIsDead64's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Yeah it's so shortsighted of them. They did it in plunderstorm. If they do that now again, people will notice and not play any timelimited events until the last weeks. They should just have a proper reward system from the get go.
    No. Only viable option - to make good content right from start. Designing content according to "Don't make good content, otherwise players would get used to it and wouldn't play bad one, that is obviously more profitable" will never work. If they won't nerf content - players won't play it at all. If they will nerf it only by it's end - player will play it by it's end. If devs want players to play it right from start - it should be "nerfed" right from start. As simple, as that.

    Other reason, why I don't want to play this content - fear, that at some point content like LFR will become dead, that will make game completely unplayable for me.
  1. Dracullus's Avatar
    They nerfed cheesing bosses, but kept Dark Animus untouched. Woo hoo Blizzard thanks for hotfixes.
  1. Phaelia's Avatar
    I called the decision to keep the bronze upgrade prices the way they were remarkably stupid, and they gave me a forum vacation for the first time ever. lol woof
  1. Dracullus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Phaelia View Post
    I called the decision to keep the bronze upgrade prices the way they were remarkably stupid, and they gave me a forum vacation for the first time ever. lol woof
    Would be extremely unfair for people who spend bronze on upgrades while other were buying mounts. Only sensible way is just buff bronze gains regularly.

    If you don't get it (cause empathy isn't very common on this forum) tt would be also unfair if they decrease cost of few specific mounts without changing rest. People who bought them would waste time compared to ones who bought other mounts or upgraded gear.
  1. dandan's Avatar
    These issues illustrate just how incredibly DUMB level scaling is. Imagine leveling up in an RPG and NOT getting stronger? Or even getting weaker?
  1. Phaelia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Would be extremely unfair for people who spend bronze on upgrades while other were buying mounts. Only sensible way is just buff bronze gains regularly.

    If you don't get it (cause empathy isn't very common on this forum) tt would be also unfair if they decrease cost of few specific mounts without changing rest. People who bought them would waste time compared to ones who bought other mounts or upgraded gear.
    Except they could easily fix that by giving them a one time bronze boost like they did for people who didn’t do frogs. I think the decision is shortsighted
  1. Ereb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    Other reason, why I don't want to play this content - fear, that at some point content like LFR will become dead, that will make game completely unplayable for me.
    Mop remix lfr WILL be dead, in exactly 81 days. Might as well go ahead and quit
  1. Ange's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Would be extremely unfair for people who spend bronze on upgrades while other were buying mounts. Only sensible way is just buff bronze gains regularly.

    If you don't get it (cause empathy isn't very common on this forum) tt would be also unfair if they decrease cost of few specific mounts without changing rest. People who bought them would waste time compared to ones who bought other mounts or upgraded gear.
    Every round of gear upgrades sets you back ~1.5 days in the grind for bronze.
    If your goal is just cosmetics and optionally SoO (normal) clears for the tusk, upgrading is massively delaying your progress.

    Blizzard is neither significantly buffing bronze accumulation and those who spend bronze for upgrading gear, left with their choice and blizzard left the time gated bronze stuff as it is for the near future.

    The WARD and SLAY nerfs are punishing HEROIC and MYTHIC even with maxed ilvl far more as LFR/NORMAL raids, since you end up having to deal with raid mechanics with a mostly casual playerbase that is not interested in learning mechanics.

    More and more >440 players are regreting their upgrade choice, since they end up with NORMAL raids and just the daily quests anyways, while now beeing weeks behind in the bronze grind.
  1. Dracullus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Phaelia View Post
    Except they could easily fix that by giving them a one time bronze boost like they did for people who didn’t do frogs. I think the decision is shortsighted
    Yeah, after last time - when you could farm frogs like madman and get quest (when you stay log in) and don't get quest when you farmed frogs for few minutes.. yeah I don't trust them with compensation quests like that. Just give everyone bronze boost and we will get same results.
  1. trapmaster's Avatar
    karens gonna karen... Lmao
  1. Gunmetal-Kitten's Avatar
    "We aren't going to lower the costs because no-lifers and frog farmers already maxxed their gear ))"

    Fuck you, Blizz.

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