Actions Taken to Curb Griefing by Repeatedly Leaving Groups

Weird grammar. I first read that as "Actions taken to Curb Griffin", I thought they were going after my boy Seth MacFarlane

Originally Posted by MrLachyG

so I guess they can tell the difference between players who leave and players who got kicked?

Seems like it would be irrelevant since the blue post states: "The sort of behavior we actioned was either without regard for the experience of their fellow players, or in some cases, even deliberately intending to harm others’ experiences."

So, if you get kicked out because you were ruining the run in other ways, that would still be included in this. Otherwise people would start pulling or going AFK until they got kicked instead of leaving in an effort to avoid being banned.

Originally Posted by Daedius

So were thry temporarily banned, or just blocked from playing M+?

We don't know, because nobody knows anyone actually being affected by this, but we're going to overreact anyway.

im sure this system wont be abused at all

Originally Posted by MrLachyG

so I guess they can tell the difference between players who leave and players who got kicked?

Yes. Also nobody gets kicked out of m+.

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Originally Posted by exochaft

Eh, yes and no. Sometimes, the thing you are doing severely wrong is being lower ilvl than someone else the group leader just found and kicked (but this would typically be before the run but not always, especially if the partial premade has multiple keys to run); another flavor is being lower ilvl and/or slower but still on track to finish the key, but you get kicked because you're not going fast enough. Sometimes people's demeanor or approach to a key don't align and just rub each other raw, even if everything is going decent enough, and the kicks start flying; seen keys where tanks get kicked for zooming ahead without the group, even though they're successfully soloing the key, just because the other people don't like it. Sometimes people get kicked because they have hit-or-miss internet connections/latency, so with enough lagging or disconnects get them kicked more often than not. I know someone who say something like "This key's group the best ever! Just like Trump!" randomly during the M+ run... and they got kicked quite a few times, funnily enough. And there's a bunch of other scenarios beyond a person just trolling or being legitimately toxic getting kicked.

Regardless, majority of people with a record of consistent kicks from M+ keys are likely to be the offenders. I hope there's more than one metric used before a kick is done, like said player getting reported for activity that would indicate they deserved the kick... or a history of in-game offenses.

I have never, ever seen anyone get kicked from m+.
Since those people still get the loot, kicking players is beyond stupid.

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Originally Posted by Velshin

Finally..wanted that for years now. But the main issue for me personally how can you tell if that player is indeed toxic leaver? Or had some real life issues or simply didnt want to waste his time because of the group being super duper bad and underperforming? Hard to tell tbh

If this happens more than once a day, that player is a griefer. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by prwraith

You have a strangely high level of faith in blizzard

Posting in a thread talking about blizz deliberately banning people for leaving, and you wanna take the griefing to the next level? A lot of faith doesn't seem to be needed LOL

So if i leave group when timer is out (cuz im there for time keys) im risk getting banned?

Originally Posted by stoffe

So if i leave group when timer is out (cuz im there for time keys) im risk getting banned?

Unless it's decided by the group to leave when the timer is out, I sure hope so!

Originally Posted by deenman

im sure this system wont be abused at all

What system?

Originally Posted by Rageonit

We don't know, because nobody knows anyone actually being affected by this, but we're going to overreact anyway.

Account actions move up a punishment ladder depending on the severity of the action taken. This action can be as minor as a chat ban or as severe as a full account suspension.

My guess is that most players guilty of this got chat bans because an account that's chat banned cannot apply to groups nor can it list groups. (If you want to do anything, you need a friend in the group to invite you as the last slot.) It's also a less severe punishment in Blizzard's eyes, though the action will leave the player to graduate to a full account suspension if they continue being actioned for the same problem. I imagine some players might've received suspensions if they had already previously been chat banned (there's cross over between abusive players and the ones who bail on keys) and I even imagine some players were permanently banned as a result but this would be few and far between.

Cut -50 to -100 io for deliberate recurrent quit griefers - that's it.

Originally Posted by stoffe

So if i leave group when timer is out (cuz im there for time keys) im risk getting banned?

Probably not; but if it's like a weekly 10 and you bail last minute on a key that could limp over the finish line you'd probably get reported (which could lead to an action).

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Originally Posted by Veelaru

Cut -50 to -100 io for deliberate recurrent quit griefers - that's it.

Bad idea. This would lead players to hold groups hostage and force other players to bail first so they don't lose IO themselves.

Originally Posted by Velshin

Finally..wanted that for years now. But the main issue for me personally how can you tell if that player is indeed toxic leaver? Or had some real life issues or simply didnt want to waste his time because of the group being super duper bad and underperforming? Hard to tell tbh

For Example:
If you leave, over the course of a week, 15 out of 20 runs, its statisticly very unlikely that everytime something came up, or all the groups are that bad.

Originally Posted by Tech614

It's not from reports though- it's from excessively leaving M+ groups.

To be Fair, its not stated if they took those from Reports, or from their own Statistic. I´m hoping for the Latter though.
Though I think they should´ve clarified it in that case that Reports for that are Pointless and they track it themselves.

Originally Posted by Relapses

I'd imagine it's just as easy to track people who disconnect then never come back.

Whenever we could do without the person who "Suddenly DCed", we did, and left him in the Group, and gave a "Welcome Back" when he came back online 15 minutes later. I imagine, if they Alt+F4 out of the game, and they come back into the Group, its kinda embarrising.

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Originally Posted by LordVargK

I have never, ever seen anyone get kicked from m+.
Since those people still get the loot, kicking players is beyond stupid.

I have, though we also didnt finish the key and restarted. But sometimes you want to send a Message.
Person in Question was flaming around for dying to shit he could´ve interrupted or avoid and pulling extra Packs.

Originally Posted by Rageonit

What system?

reporting system,or do you think blizzard hired terminators to go find random leavers?

Originally Posted by Relapses

Bad idea. This would lead players to hold groups hostage and force other players to bail first so they don't lose IO themselves.

Then add some in-game counter of the times the person has quit, so that you can see not only their best runs, io, and ilvl but also how often they tend to grief. There will be some room for exploitation and still some "F"s pressed for people with bad connection, yet leaving the issue as it is would be a bad option.

Originally Posted by deenman

reporting system,or do you think blizzard hired terminators to go find random leavers?

You think this kind of system requires any human input whatsoever...?

How difficult do you think is it to create a tool that would monitor who leaves a key mid run, store that data and than compare it to a total number of runs a particular character does, and that compare it to some kind of a median? Blizzard already revealed they have tools to monitor all raid activity: number of pulls, number of wipes to a particular mechanic etc. etc. Quite hard to imagine they are unable to create similar tools for dungeons. If anything, they already have them in place for years.

Originally Posted by MrLachyG

so I guess they can tell the difference between players who leave and players who got kicked?

That most likely can with their system metrics.

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Originally Posted by Lumy

Actions Taken to Curb Griefing by Repeatedly Leaving Groups

Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Today, we issued gameplay suspensions to players who intentionally left Mythic+ groups a great many times in The War Within Season 1. The sort of behavior we actioned was either without regard for the experience of their fellow players, or in some cases, even deliberately intending to harm others’ experiences.

This is detrimental to the community of players who strive to do their part in group content the vast majority of the time.

We understand that occasionally, abandoning runs will happen. Players can experience unexpected real life emergencies, internet outages, or the group collectively deciding to quit the run. Today, we suspended players who repeatedly and recklessly disrupted Mythic+ groups.

We will continue to keep an eye on groups in the future, and repeat offenders are subject to escalating penalties.

Thank you!

Awesome news!

Hopefully there is a bountiful salt mine from all this.

Originally Posted by Lochton

That most likely can with their system metrics.

Pretty sure they know every small detail: time of leaving, number of deaths on the counter, not to mention basic things like key level, which is very relevant to your "leaver stat". For instance, people who push high keys leave A LOT more keys than "standard" players, since 1) it's strictly about timing, so often one full wipe means an instant disband; 2) failure rate is higher. Yet we don't see high level pushers getting banned.

i'm just having images of a poor guy in Ukraine, who finally has a stable internet connection and blizzard bans him.

Originally Posted by Rageonit

Pretty sure they know every small detail: time of leaving, number of deaths on the counter, not to mention basic things like key level, which is very relevant to your "leaver stat". For instance, people who push high keys leave A LOT more keys than "standard" players, since 1) it's strictly about timing, so often one full wipe means an instant disband; 2) failure rate is higher. Yet we don't see high level pushers getting banned.

Well. We haven't heard who has been banned, though?