Achievements and Rewards Going Away With Midnight Pre-Patch and Expansion Release

It'll be exceptionally annoying if they remove anything tied to HV:R given there's never been any indication in the achievement text that they're time-limited.

Originally Posted by Soeroah

It'll be exceptionally annoying if they remove anything tied to HV:R given there's never been any indication in the achievement text that they're time-limited.

There's no indication in the achievement description, but they are in the same category as the original Mad World achievement. The event was advertised as time-limited, so hopefully we get a clarification soon.

Originally Posted by Lumy

There's no indication in the achievement description, but they are in the same category as the original Mad World achievement. The event was advertised as time-limited, so hopefully we get a clarification soon.

It better be pretty soon, I haven't even set foot in the new visions

Maybe i will do some HV-R after I am done with legion remix before january 20th.. but not gonna work for everything else, as I have other things happening in life

Originally Posted by Soeroah

It better be pretty soon, I haven't even set foot in the new visions

went in there blind, thought some muscle memory might kick in. did not. hadn't bothered since then..

Originally Posted by sylenna

went in there blind, thought some muscle memory might kick in. did not. hadn't bothered since then..

I just didn't have time between the other three far more FOMO events that were popping off at the same time as Horrific Visions and now I need to focus on remix if I wanna finish my goals in time, so I'm only gonna have a couple weeks at best for horrific visions if they suddenly announce there's missable stuff :/

Let me solo her is the first one that i actually just quit because the fight is so terribly designed im not wasting my time. Half the time it kills you even tho you looked right at the ninjas

Just to clarify, AOTC and CE for Manaforge Omega will be available till March 2nd? or Will they be gone Jan 20th?

Originally Posted by ADman319

Just to clarify, AOTC and CE for Manaforge Omega will be available till March 2nd? or Will they be gone Jan 20th?

Those two achievements will be gone on January 20th.

Absolutely screw FOMO, it encourages people to play when they don't actually feel like playing. Not for enjoyment (the purpose of a game), but for in-game rewards that you'll regret not having later.

The only "benefit" is:

1. To the company over the consumer, which is bad.
2. So people who get off on it can brag about having unobtainable items. Toxic human behavior that shouldn't ever be encouraged.

Karazhan gives a portal? Also, what about the Brawler's Guild?

Originally Posted by EntertainmentNihilist

Absolutely screw FOMO, it encourages people to play when they don't actually feel like playing. Not for enjoyment (the purpose of a game), but for in-game rewards that you'll regret not having later.

The only "benefit" is:

1. To the company over the consumer, which is bad.
2. So people who get off on it can brag about having unobtainable items. Toxic human behavior that shouldn't ever be encouraged.

The problem is the concept of FOMO is so nebulous that even people in this forum probably wouldn't come to a consensus on hard rules to define FOMO. It's one of those concepts that most people feel out, where they'll view a situation and say "Yup, that definitely feels like FOMO to me!" and another person will say "We had more than enough time to do it, it's fine if the system/rewards get sunset." Only time you get agreements is on the fringe edges, where everyone will agree something is FOMO or not. The point is that quite often it's subjective.

With respect to the second the second point, people having something they consider special after putting in the time and effort to obtain it is not toxic. If people start making unjustified actions/comments about people who don't have them, like "You don't have X mount, so you're trash!"... yeah, that'd probably be considered toxic by most people. Again, the concept of what's considered toxic probably doesn't get a consensus out of people beyond fringe cases, but it's likely more clear-cut than defining FOMO.

Part of the culture of MMOs (and games in general) is that people like to customize their own characters as a method of setting themselves apart from everyone else. It's not just things like having rare mounts or pets, it's also things like xmog or housing. Beyond just setting people apart, it can also entice people to try out content or strive for something in-game. While not empirically necessary to games to be successful, allowing players to separate themselves and stand out from others is rarely a bad thing. Some people like a certain aesthetic and xmog around it, some people like to collect rare things (achievements/pets/mounts/etc.), and so forth. Furthermore, not everyone values everything equally... which is why changing the status quo (such as making hard-to-obtain items suddenly trivial and easy to obtain) can be upsetting and drive people from the game.

Now... with respect to your first point, if Blizz is intentionally designing and balancing the game in the attempt to exploit players via FOMO, that would be a problem. However, good luck getting them to straight-up admit they're doing it. Do I think Blizz designs/balances events and in-game activities with the intent of leveraging FOMO to get players into the game purely for making their metrics look good? Absolutely. Do I think they do this for everything in the game? Absolutely not. Quite often FOMO just gets thrown out when Blizz changes something that an individual doesn't like, regardless if Blizz gave them a reasonable amount of time to do/obtain it or not.

In the end, it usually comes down to trust: do you trust Blizz is doing something in good faith, or do you think Blizz is being shady/malicious about something? Personally, my trust in Blizz not doing something considered immoral when it comes to their design of the game (such as implementing FOMO to exploit players) isn't as high as it used to be. However, I don't think these changes listed in the OP really classify as FOMO considering the amount of time allowed to acquire them.

Well the Kyveza mount skin is probably staying as the other skins have simply become low drop chances. So that isn't FOMO.

Honestly they should just do this type of stuff with the AOTC and the M+ mounts as well. Keep them in the game, but make them rare rewards. The achievements already exist as the participation reward, don't need to lock out people out of cool mounts, just because they didn't play during a specific time.

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Originally Posted by GUZ

Let me solo her is the first one that i actually just quit because the fight is so terribly designed im not wasting my time. Half the time it kills you even tho you looked right at the ninjas

Should be almost trivial in Midnight, but you'll probably have to kill her like a hundred times to receive the mount afterwards. Still, that's probably worth it over doing it now if you don't enjoy it.

FOMO must die. Content, players have paid for, shouldn't be taken away from them. "Being born in wrong year" discrimination shouldn't exist.

Originally Posted by WowIsDead64

FOMO must die. Content, players have paid for, shouldn't be taken away from them. "Being born in wrong year" discrimination shouldn't exist.

It is completely reasonable to have incentives, such as complete this content between a certain time frame when its difficulty is intended to be difficult and receive a special award. Every single person who plays retail WoW has the same opportunity and chance to receive these rewards. Nobody is excluding players like yourself.

Players like yourself exclude themselves on purpose... and then complain they don't have options. Please save your breath.

Content, players have paid for, shouldn't be taken away from them.

If you paid for this content, why did you not play this content? How in the fuck are you complaining that you bought a McRib from McDonalds, refused to eat it, then complain when they announce it's going to be taken off the menu soon?

Also, how the fuck does "born in the wrong year" discrimination when everybody who played the game since season 3 launched are all born in different years?

Do you just like using buzz words? How often are you going to parade yourself around the forums as the high-and-mighty ex-WoW player throwing around buzz words?

There is only 1 thing that "must die" (as you put it) and it's this victim mentality you've been flooding MMO-C with for years. Please... move on.

Originally Posted by WowIsDead64

FOMO must die. Content, players have paid for, shouldn't be taken away from them. "Being born in wrong year" discrimination shouldn't exist.

Agreed, but Remix is a good start.

Originally Posted by EntertainmentNihilist

Absolutely screw FOMO, it encourages people to play when they don't actually feel like playing. Not for enjoyment (the purpose of a game), but for in-game rewards that you'll regret not having later.

The only "benefit" is:

1. To the company over the consumer, which is bad.
2. So people who get off on it can brag about having unobtainable items. Toxic human behavior that shouldn't ever be encouraged.

You've had like 5 months to get these achievements stop blaming your shortcomings on the "fomo boogeyman". Also fyi the game has literally been like this for over two decades

Originally Posted by Ereb

You've had like 5 months to get these achievements stop blaming your shortcomings on the "fomo boogeyman". Also fyi the game has literally been like this for over two decades

It's always been a bad aspect of the game.

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Originally Posted by exochaft

The problem is the concept of FOMO is so nebulous that even people in this forum probably wouldn't come to a consensus on hard rules to define FOMO. It's one of those concepts that most people feel out, where they'll view a situation and say "Yup, that definitely feels like FOMO to me!" and another person will say "We had more than enough time to do it, it's fine if the system/rewards get sunset." Only time you get agreements is on the fringe edges, where everyone will agree something is FOMO or not. The point is that quite often it's subjective.

With respect to the second the second point, people having something they consider special after putting in the time and effort to obtain it is not toxic. If people start making unjustified actions/comments about people who don't have them, like "You don't have X mount, so you're trash!"... yeah, that'd probably be considered toxic by most people. Again, the concept of what's considered toxic probably doesn't get a consensus out of people beyond fringe cases, but it's likely more clear-cut than defining FOMO.

Part of the culture of MMOs (and games in general) is that people like to customize their own characters as a method of setting themselves apart from everyone else. It's not just things like having rare mounts or pets, it's also things like xmog or housing. Beyond just setting people apart, it can also entice people to try out content or strive for something in-game. While not empirically necessary to games to be successful, allowing players to separate themselves and stand out from others is rarely a bad thing. Some people like a certain aesthetic and xmog around it, some people like to collect rare things (achievements/pets/mounts/etc.), and so forth. Furthermore, not everyone values everything equally... which is why changing the status quo (such as making hard-to-obtain items suddenly trivial and easy to obtain) can be upsetting and drive people from the game.

Now... with respect to your first point, if Blizz is intentionally designing and balancing the game in the attempt to exploit players via FOMO, that would be a problem. However, good luck getting them to straight-up admit they're doing it. Do I think Blizz designs/balances events and in-game activities with the intent of leveraging FOMO to get players into the game purely for making their metrics look good? Absolutely. Do I think they do this for everything in the game? Absolutely not. Quite often FOMO just gets thrown out when Blizz changes something that an individual doesn't like, regardless if Blizz gave them a reasonable amount of time to do/obtain it or not.

In the end, it usually comes down to trust: do you trust Blizz is doing something in good faith, or do you think Blizz is being shady/malicious about something? Personally, my trust in Blizz not doing something considered immoral when it comes to their design of the game (such as implementing FOMO to exploit players) isn't as high as it used to be. However, I don't think these changes listed in the OP really classify as FOMO considering the amount of time allowed to acquire them.

If it's dependent on having things that others don't have, it is toxic. Even the idea of "I worked hard so I deserve to have more than you" is toxic imo. Trying to have more than others do is a very gross, primitive part of human nature.

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Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS

It is completely reasonable to have incentives, such as complete this content between a certain time frame when its difficulty is intended to be difficult and receive a special award. Every single person who plays retail WoW has the same opportunity and chance to receive these rewards. Nobody is excluding players like yourself.

Players like yourself exclude themselves on purpose... and then complain they don't have options. Please save your breath.



If you paid for this content, why did you not play this content? How in the fuck are you complaining that you bought a McRib from McDonalds, refused to eat it, then complain when they announce it's going to be taken off the menu soon?

Also, how the fuck does "born in the wrong year" discrimination when everybody who played the game since season 3 launched are all born in different years?

Do you just like using buzz words? How often are you going to parade yourself around the forums as the high-and-mighty ex-WoW player throwing around buzz words?

There is only 1 thing that "must die" (as you put it) and it's this victim mentality you've been flooding MMO-C with for years. Please... move on.

Idk, almost like people have periods of time where they want to play the game and periods of time where they don't - and excluding them from rewards because they happened not to play at a particular time is dumb.

Personally, a number of rewards have severely annoyed me personally in this way. They essentially force me to play when I really feel like doing something else because I want to have a particular reward for when I do feel like playing. It would be much better if I could just go back and get it when I feel like it.

You can have your achievements as your special merit badge to show you "did it when it was hard". Making cool cosmetics time-sensitive to get is predatory and/or toxic.

Originally Posted by EntertainmentNihilist

It's always been a bad aspect of the game.

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If it's dependent on having things that others don't have, it is toxic. Even the idea of "I worked hard so I deserve to have more than you" is toxic imo. Trying to have more than others do is a very gross, primitive part of human nature.

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Idk, almost like people have periods of time where they want to play the game and periods of time where they don't - and excluding them from rewards because they happened not to play at a particular time is dumb.

Personally, a number of rewards have severely annoyed me personally in this way. They essentially force me to play when I really feel like doing something else because I want to have a particular reward for when I do feel like playing. It would be much better if I could just go back and get it when I feel like it.

You can have your achievements as your special merit badge to show you "did it when it was hard". Making cool cosmetics time-sensitive to get is predatory and/or toxic.

Not all of WoW’s rewards work that way. Also, plenty of things in life have limited time things when it comes to rewards and participation. WoW happens to be one of those.

Originally Posted by EntertainmentNihilist

It's always been a bad aspect of the game.

Having incentives to actually play your game is arguable at best, but I wouldn't necc argue that it's bad on it's merits alone. Again you have had months and months and months to achieve anything you wanted during this season, and nobody was surprised about anything regarding what goes away and what doesn't. Like it or not, there is nobody to blame, but yourself if you are feeling "left out" in any sense of the word over these 1/2 year long tiers and not partaking in anything you perceive you should've.

And again it's literally always been like this so complaining in 2026 about it seems pointless at best.