Update - Added a new screenshot of the day and a couple of blue posts.

Cataclysm Screenshot of the Day
A new screenshot of the Halls of Origination has been uploaded to the official site.



Blizzard to start throttling inspect requests
An interesting announcement was posted on Wowace.com. It looks like Blizzard will start throttling inspect requests from players, most likely to counter the giant amount of load caused by ... well, you know, Gearscore.

I've received word that after the next set of rolling restarts, which may be happening as early as tonight, inspection requests on other players will start to be throttled.

This is being done because some addons generate a large number of inspection requests, so beware as some addons may start to behave unexpectedly, flat out break, or otherwise act up. Overall I hope it not to be too bad, but you never know, so here's the heads up.

Addon authors may need to restructure their addon so that they may _never_ receive a response back from a request. We may be seeing several second long intervals between allowed requests, and as I said, some request will likely never be answered.

If I hear any more details I'll update the post.
(WoWace)

And Blizzard's word about it!
[blizzquote author=Nethaera source=http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25578348839/blizz-to-handicap-gearscore/]It’s important to understand that the throttling that is being done isn’t intended to break any functionality of add-ons, but merely to control the amount of queries that are being sent to the server at any given time. (Thus throttling the queries.) The queries will still occur, it just won’t happen as quickly as they currently seem to. You can read the statements that WoW Ace and WoW Interface have up for a bit more information on these changes. We wanted to give mod authors a heads-up prior to making the change so that they could make any adjustments they needed to on their mods.

http://wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33432
http://www.wowace.com/announcements/...pect-requests/ [/blizzquote]


Blue posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

"Sticky" whispers
The simplest way to disable "sticky" whispers is by inputting the scripts below. One will affect character whispers and the other Battle.net whispers. This is something we can consider adding a toggle option for in the User Interface options in a future patch. (Source)

/script ChatTypeInfo.WHISPER.sticky = 0;
/script ChatTypeInfo.BN_WHISPER.sticky = 0;

Epic items in Cataclysm
We're actually working on restoring the epic feeling to epic items in Cataclysm. Epic loot should be epic, and something to be very proud of. Our plan is to try and get the Heroic -> Blue Gear and Raid -> Purple Gear balance back. (Source)

Icecrown Citadel Heroic attempts
I apologize for the confusion. The number of attempts allotted for end bosses is still 50. (Source)

Remote Mail Service?
The idea to access and send in-game mails through a web and/or mobile based service is something that is being considered. We are always researching new potential additions to our web/mobile services btw :-)

[...] No need to jump to conclusions. As Vaneras said, we're always looking for ways to expand the interactivity of our web and mobile services, and this is one that is already in our minds as a feature that could easily be used under the existing Remote service or similar. (Source)

Classic and TBC Dungeon Maps
We hope to add dungeon maps to those outside of Northrend. "When?" you ask? Well, sometime in the future. I cannot elaborate further on that at the moment. [...] On the priority list of 'things to do' I can confidently say it's not up there with the high fliers, but it's on the list. (Source)

Cataclysm Talent Trees (WoWTal.com)
The trees we shared are very early in development. I can assure you they will change quite a bit. (Source)

Healers in Cataclysm (Source)
If healer A and healer B can both keep the group alive, but healer A can (or is just willing to) throw down extra damage, who do you think the group is going to take?
Even with the new talents, healer contribution to dps is going to be pretty low overall I suspect. In very challenging encounters, the ones where extra dps might be most helpful, healers are going to be spending even more of their GCDs and mana on healing so they aren't going to be able to fill that void.

The changes implemented were for PvP.
Not really. That's a very small part of it. They are to allow healers to level or quest without changing specs if they so choose, give them something to do in moments when they don't have to heal (even in the most challenging content there are times when nobody is taking serious damage), and otherwise provide an opportunity for players who want to do something else to do something else. We will make sure that there are PvE healing specs for all 5 trees that can skip over most or all of the damage. That does not mean you will be able to take 75 talent points worth of +healing though. (Source)

Warlock (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator)
Fel Armor and Ruin in Cataclysm
Fel Armor will have to change to not be based on Spirit.

I wouldn't worry too much about Ruin. Affliction may not even have need of it in Cataclysm. (Source)
This article was originally published in forum thread: Inspect Throttle, Blue posts started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 167 Comments
  1. GhostSkull's Avatar
    You can greatly reduce the number of inspects by having gearscore share databases and only inspecting on a mouseover if that toon hasn't been updated in a week. I look forward to an even better gearscore. Heck, Blizzard should just add the functionality themselves and give themselves and raid leaders a break.
  1. lokithor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mirrorzoom View Post
    what "alternative" addon can tell how "good" a player is without doing these inspection requests?
    ElitistGroup...or somethin along those lines lol
  1. Zamph's Avatar
    Hey look, a Cataclysm screen shot and some semi-interesting blue posts.

    New.
    Exciting.
  1. mmoc6d823f96e4's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mirrorzoom View Post
    what "alternative" addon can tell how "good" a player is without doing these inspection requests?
    do you even remember how wow was without the gs addon? use your eyes and inspect the people, don´t be so lazy man
  1. zarbus's Avatar
    Man, I hate when some post I want to respond to is on the euro forums =\
  1. Windspast's Avatar
    gearscore is the best thing that's ever happened to WoW. It's made raid leading so much easier.

    Gearscore hasn't changed anything except for making things faster and easier. If I were to create a raid before, I'd have to look at everyone's armory to make sure they're geared enough for the fight. Now I just have them whisper me gearscore and I get an approximation of how well they will perform.

    Sure I may not know how good a 5.4k GS player will perform, but I know he's probably going to do better than a 4.8k gs player.

    The only people who don't like GS are the ones who don't actually have any. A hint would be... go get some better gear then you'll be invited. If you don't like the GS that the raid leader is asking for, then be a man and actually go create your own.

    A couple weeks ago I was asking for ICC 10. I was asking for a minimum of 5.1k GS which is perfectly acceptable now that the buff was at 20% at that time.

    Some moron whispers me and says his GS was 4.5k. So that told me two things. 1, he can't listen to instruction at all. The instruction clearly only asked for 5.1k min but he was dumb enough to not pay attention to that part.

    second, he told me "dont worryz I good" yeah right, am I'm supposed to believe a guy that can't even read?

    Therefore, Gearscore is the best thing that's happened to WoW. It just lets smart people know who the bad people are so they can stay away from them.
  1. monostat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Windspast View Post
    gearscore is the best thing that's ever happened to WoW. It's made raid leading so much easier.

    Gearscore hasn't changed anything except for making things faster and easier. If I were to create a raid before, I'd have to look at everyone's armory to make sure they're geared enough for the fight. Now I just have them whisper me gearscore and I get an approximation of how well they will perform.

    Sure I may not know how good a 5.4k GS player will perform, but I know he's probably going to do better than a 4.8k gs player.

    The only people who don't like GS are the ones who don't actually have any. A hint would be... go get some better gear then you'll be invited. If you don't like the GS that the raid leader is asking for, then be a man and actually go create your own.

    A couple weeks ago I was asking for ICC 10. I was asking for a minimum of 5.1k GS which is perfectly acceptable now that the buff was at 20% at that time.

    Some moron whispers me and says his GS was 4.5k. So that told me two things. 1, he can't listen to instruction at all. The instruction clearly only asked for 5.1k min but he was dumb enough to not pay attention to that part.

    second, he told me "dont worryz I good" yeah right, am I'm supposed to believe a guy that can't even read?

    Therefore, Gearscore is the best thing that's happened to WoW. It just lets smart people know who the bad people are so they can stay away from them.

    This right here is so full of inaccuracies it makes my brain cry. I would spend some time pointing out how flawed your "logic" is but jesus man I have things to do.

    Just for the sake of time I will leave you with this............"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "
  1. OtisJay's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by monostat View Post
    This right here is so full of inaccuracies it makes my brain cry. I would spend some time pointing out how flawed your "logic" is but jesus man I have things to do.

    Just for the sake of time I will leave you with this............"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "
    Why insult him? don't just say he's wrong. Say WHY! then insult him...
    unless your only reason to post is to feed to troll inside
  1. isendims's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Windspast View Post
    gearscore is the best thing that's ever happened to WoW. It's made raid leading so much easier.

    Gearscore hasn't changed anything except for making things faster and easier. If I were to create a raid before, I'd have to look at everyone's armory to make sure they're geared enough for the fight. Now I just have them whisper me gearscore and I get an approximation of how well they will perform.

    Sure I may not know how good a 5.4k GS player will perform, but I know he's probably going to do better than a 4.8k gs player.

    The only people who don't like GS are the ones who don't actually have any. A hint would be... go get some better gear then you'll be invited. If you don't like the GS that the raid leader is asking for, then be a man and actually go create your own.

    A couple weeks ago I was asking for ICC 10. I was asking for a minimum of 5.1k GS which is perfectly acceptable now that the buff was at 20% at that time.

    Some moron whispers me and says his GS was 4.5k. So that told me two things. 1, he can't listen to instruction at all. The instruction clearly only asked for 5.1k min but he was dumb enough to not pay attention to that part.

    second, he told me "dont worryz I good" yeah right, am I'm supposed to believe a guy that can't even read?

    Therefore, Gearscore is the best thing that's happened to WoW. It just lets smart people know who the bad people are so they can stay away from them.
    Gearscore Ruined pugging, nothing good came from it. Its harder then hell for ppl not in top guilds to get into pugs with that damn addon out. Also there are plenty of ppl with 5k gs that out preform 5.5s plenty. And its not just people with low gearscore that hate it, to my knowlege I'm one of the most geared characters on my server, will probably be when I get my shadowmourne soon (2nd in the guild), and I absolutely hate the damn thing.

    I had friends on another server / faction that the server was absolutly ran by gearscore, the server was horrible, no pug was ever successful, it sucked. I told them about my server that barely ever uses it, and if you do you get made fun of (for good reason). I got them to xfer to mine, but before they did i leveled a 2nd death knight there with only 5.1k gs (which they had to tell me) and topped almost every damage meter. (and I'm not talking of heriocs, I'm talking of raids, 25toc, icc 10 / 25)

    Just get rid of the addon already...
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  1. Snikeren's Avatar
    Gearscore itself isn't bad. People have to understand that. It's just a simple addon, telling you how good a player's gear is. Before Gearscore, people used the regular "come here for inspect". Gearscore is no different from that, except that it saves you time. If used correctly, this addon is perfect for setting up a raid.

    Of course, it's being abused all the time, which makes people pissed off, but a lot of comments here have a point. Not everyone can enter a certain raid instance. It requires gear, knowledge and some common sense.

    There are ways to check that a player has these qualities:
    Gear - Gearscore
    Knowledge - Achievement (+ you could ask them beforehand to summarize the tactics of a certain boss)
    Common sense - (This is really up to you. I certainly don't like people with poor English)
  1. monostat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by OtisJay View Post
    Why insult him? don't just say he's wrong. Say WHY! then insult him...
    unless your only reason to post is to feed to troll inside


    Fine you talked me into it........





    "It's made raid leading so much easier." - It has not made raid leading "easier" raid leading is the same game it was in Vanilla and BC, as a raid leader you need to know every role and the fight like the back of your hand, knowing GS does not change this in any way and if you think it does you are part of the problem not the solution.




    "Now I just have them whisper me gearscore and I get an approximation of how well they will perform."- No, it just means that they have spent more time farming badges. I can be decked out in all t10 by now but it does not mean I know how to get out of fire in a timely manner.


    "Sure I may not know how good a 5.4k GS player will perform, but I know he's probably going to do better than a 4.8k gs player."- This seems to be the exact opposite of what he said in the line before.




    "It just lets smart people know who the bad people are so they can stay away from them."

    Smart people know that your GS means nothing when it comes to skill.
  1. Mevima's Avatar
    A couple of people have asked what "throttling" is and I haven't seen a response.

    Say the GearScore addon sends a request every time anyone is in range, without regard to how often. So if 50 characters are in range, it sends 50 requests per second. If you throttle it, say to 10 requests per second, then it will get the first 10 back the first second, and then the next, and so on, taking 5 seconds to query all 50 instead of 1 second.

    Obviously it's a lot more complicated than that, but this should give you the general idea.
  1. Bucky Mclachlan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mrwingtipshoes View Post
    Achievement based system is going put the same gating, same roadblock on progression.
    No it doesn't. We've all experienced that system, and frankly if you had trouble progressing before everyone used GS it was because you sucked or your realm simply sucks and it's full of bads so people take extra precaution before inviting people they don't know.

    I never needed to have all the keepers down and Yogg or even a good amount of hardmodes to get into good groups for Ulduar during 3.1. But then again my toons were all itemized as perfectly as they could be and I handled my role very well even when undergeared compared to other people with better gear or achievement that were "more difficult to obtain".

    I had and still have a good reputation on all the realms I play on, not even because I'm particularly tight with any specific group of people.
  1. Deepone's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by AnotherPaladin View Post
    The death of GearScore? Oh manz, how am i going to know who to raid with?
    I very much doubt this will affect Gearscore in the general case.

    What this will do is stop people who mouse over huge crowds in Dalaran from accidentally slamming the server infrastructure (without even knowing they're doing so).

    When you're forming up a raid, you don't inspect a dozen people a second. I doubt there will be much in the way of throttling, and at worst, you'll probably see a few, "just a sec, waiting for GS to refresh," from raid leaders who can always manually inspect if a GS inspect failed, after waiting a second.

    The GS database will still be very useful and the GS extra functionality beyond just the base number will all continue to work.

    ---------- Post added 2010-06-25 at 04:42 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by mrwingtipshoes View Post
    Why do people act like GS is so evil?

    "QQ It touches me at night!!!!!"

    I mean really, do you people not understand that it is the COMMUNITY doing you wrong not the ADD ON? Before GS people were saying:

    "LFM ICC10 fresh run have [Lich Kings Fall 25]!"
    "LFM ICC10 4k+ AP, SP or 65k health!"
    GS gives people something to focus on. They want to believe that they'd be treated more fairly if GS didn't exist. It's just human nature.

    ---------- Post added 2010-06-25 at 04:45 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHermit View Post
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Epic items in Cataclysm
    We're actually working on restoring the epic feeling to epic items in Cataclysm. Epic loot should be epic, and something to be very proud of. Our plan is to try and get the Heroic -> Blue Gear and Raid -> Purple Gear balance back.
    After the first teir raids I'm sure there will be plenty of "catch up" epics handed out.
    I think the idea, here, is that they don't have to be epics. If dungeon tiers 1, 2, 3 and 4 aren't epics and raid tiers 1, 2, 3 and 4 are, then people in epics have obviously been raiding and those in blues have been instancing.

    Now, blue dungeon tier 4 might be equivalent ilvl to raid tier 2 or 3, but that doesn't mean its name has to be purple.

    I think they're looking to have raiding return to being a bit more of a point of pride rather than just "the higher ilvl version of dungeon gear."

    ---------- Post added 2010-06-25 at 04:51 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky Mclachlan View Post
    No it doesn't. We've all experienced that system, and frankly if you had trouble progressing before everyone used GS it was because you sucked or your realm simply sucks and it's full of bads so people take extra precaution before inviting people they don't know.
    Yes, you're getting it... before GS people filtered raiders on insane criteria just as they do today, which was because everyone's realm sucks and they're full of "bads". Correct.

    Now, when Naxx first launched, this wasn't the case, but even then there were people who were demanding that you needed to be in full ilvl 200 gear to do Naxx, and frankly that just wasn't true (though fresh leveling greens were right out).

    Here it is in a nutshell: if you want non-insane gear requirements for raids, join a good guild. Even if GS went away tomorrow (which it won't, because this change really doesn't impact its use for raids), it would still be the case that PUG recruiters would be looking for you to be over-geared in order to join.
  1. Critterbot's Avatar
    Whoaaaaaa HoO looks amazing!!! :O
  1. tgrhwke's Avatar
    Ghostcrawler wrote: "We will make sure that there are PvE healing specs for all 5 trees that can skip over most or all of the damage."

    Druid, Paladin, Priest, and Shaman. What is the fifth Healing tree? As far as I know, there are no new classes being added.
  1. isendims's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tgrhwke View Post
    Ghostcrawler wrote: "We will make sure that there are PvE healing specs for all 5 trees that can skip over most or all of the damage."

    Druid, Paladin, Priest, and Shaman. What is the fifth Healing tree? As far as I know, there are no new classes being added.
    Disc / holy priest
  1. ItachiZaku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Naidia View Post
    Achievement > GS, achieve means they've been through it and, hopefully, know what they're doing. So yes, please, do kill GS. And thanks in advanced.
    I've seen level 30s on Black War Bears, achievement means about as much as GS. A guess, but by no means full creds.
  1. Buffwhite's Avatar
    FINALLY! I have been saying the loot tables should've gone back to how they were in Vanilla for years. Epics aren't "epic" anymore. First raid you get a slew of them, and then as the tiers go up, your old epics become trash (worse to scale than blue raid items compared to the epic ones back in Vanilla WoW). Now if you see someone with blues, they won't be automatically considered "undergeared" or "noob." And when you see someone with epics, you won't have to check to see if they are "good" epics or "garbage" epics. It all works out

    P.S.

    Even though it might not go back to exactly how it was (I'm thinking maybe a mix of B.C. and Vanilla), it would still be a welcome change imo, because the way it is now, basically anything green, blue and even some epics are just useless all around. My old Vanilla hunter had all blues, a green trinket and one epic chestpiece (that I was super proud of btw). I guess I'm just a little nostalgic.

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