Cataclysm Guild Perks, Stonecore Boss Videos

Originally Posted by Dalehan

Negative, even Ragnarok online has had similar features for years, sharing some of the experience you earn with your guild's progression to increase guild level, which would increase the guild cap etc, allow you to purchase better guardians during guild wars, etc.

im in beta and honestly, it sucks. the game feels like its being converted into a kids game. there are lots of neat new things to look at but beyond that the mechanics are horribly dull.

Honor Points - Gained from killing Players, used to buy PvP gear.
Heroism Points - Gained from Killing Bosses in Heroics and Raids, used to buy PvE gear.

Also, yes small guilds get all the same benefits from the guild lvling system, it is a ratio. No matter if you have 400 players or 4, only the top 10 earners in your guild (per day) contribute to your guild leveling. So yes, even 4 players in a guild will get all the buffs, it just might take longer.

I wonder how long it will take to achieve all those ranks.

QUESTION: Is the 10% XP guild perk likely to stack with the lv 1-80 20 XP Hierloom Gear buff??

does any one knows if the +exp bonus stacks whit the heirloom items and the + rep bonus stacks whit the human bonus ?

if they do XD 30% xp and 20% rep

Originally Posted by tengobotas

im in beta and honestly, it sucks. the game feels like its being converted into a kids game. there are lots of neat new things to look at but beyond that the mechanics are horribly dull.

This is what I was worried about.

I haven't played WoW in months but have always looked forward to Cata to breath some fresh air into the game. Unfortunately it looks as if it is being dumbed down and released with not only a huge lack of features, but also killing off the way the game has been played.

I'm all for change but the way they are taking numerous stats and talents out of the game makes it feel like a PS3 game where options are very limited.

Originally Posted by lopus

does any one knows if the +exp bonus stacks whit the heirloom items and the + rep bonus stacks whit the human bonus ?

if they do XD 30% xp and 20% rep

actually its 35 %
chest 10
shoulders 10
ring 5
guild 10
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35

Originally Posted by Sedlina

actually its 35 %
chest 10
shoulders 10
ring 5
guild 10
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35

yeah but i never win the fishing contest , but you are right 5% more if you have "the ring"

Originally Posted by WyriHaximus

#20 sounds like locks will have alot less to do in those raids . And I bet alot of guilds will go for #1 (and #5) asap to lvlup faster :P.

Why do peopel think this? The thing has a 2 hr cooldown. People usually need to hearth to get gems and mats for enchants for new gear. I doubt a guild leader would want to use a 2 hr CD again for one person. Plus, it's not "Select this", you get them at certain levels. So typically you get rank 1 at lvl 1, then rank 2 at lvl 5.

I looked and didn't see anyone ask these question...

Are the guild levels based on the pure number of individual achievements, or is based on number of achievements per character average? I just wonder if this will give rise to no one wanting lower level alts in the main guild since it will lower the average? And I can't imagine Blizz would want the uber guilds of 400 people being the only ones that get the high levels.

Also, I know that new members can't get the items available for sale from the guild, but what about the new member's achievements, would the help the guild at all?

Can guilds LOSE levels if people left? I just see drama with someone saying "Fine, screw you guys, have fun getting your level back!"

If a character's previous achievements count, will we see the rise of mercenaries that sell themselves to a guild for them to get new levels?

Increases the quantity of materials gained from Mining, Skinning, Herbalism, and Disenchanting by 15%.

How would this work?! I mean, how can you gain 15% extra on 1 ore? or 2 flowers? or 1 skin? ._O Anyone care to explain? im stumped. Should it be possible "Gives the player a chance to gain an additional resource gained from Mining, Skinning, Herbalism, and Disenchanting by 15%."?

Originally Posted by Gractan

I looked and didn't see anyone ask these question...

Are the guild levels based on the pure number of individual achievements, or is based on number of achievements per character average? I just wonder if this will give rise to no one wanting lower level alts in the main guild since it will lower the average? And I can't imagine Blizz would want the uber guilds of 400 people being the only ones that get the high levels.

Also, I know that new members can't get the items available for sale from the guild, but what about the new member's achievements, would the help the guild at all?

Can guilds LOSE levels if people left? I just see drama with someone saying "Fine, screw you guys, have fun getting your level back!"

If a character's previous achievements count, will we see the rise of mercenaries that sell themselves to a guild for them to get new levels?

It seems like the guild levels in much the same way characters level. As your guildies run battlegrounds / instances, the guild gains XP. Every level the guild gets a new ability. But, only the 10 "best" characters per guild contribute to this leveling process. In other words, once a guild reaches lvl 25, that's it, that's the level cap. It'll be interesting to see how it works out at the start, though. "QQ being forced to run old instances, blah blah...."

Ohh, and please note, none of the perks increase your DPS, max hp, etc. So you're really able to join and leave guilds as you want. Once you've got to the level cap and grinded out the few reputations you want, half the perks are useless anyway.

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Originally Posted by mafain

Increases the quantity of materials gained from Mining, Skinning, Herbalism, and Disenchanting by 15%.

How would this work?! I mean, how can you gain 15% extra on 1 ore? or 2 flowers? or 1 skin? ._O Anyone care to explain? im stumped. Should it be possible "Gives the player a chance to gain an additional resource gained from Mining, Skinning, Herbalism, and Disenchanting by 15%."?

Yeh, it'll be a 15% proc rate to get double results probably. A bit like how elixir / potion mastery works for alchemists to give 15% more pots/flasks

"Once a reward is unlocked, members will be able to purchase it with gold."

So does that mean the guild unlocks cool stuff and then I can buy it, or guild unlocks stuff and the gm buys it?

A question I'll ask - does "mobile banking" summon "The Luggage" from Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels? That'd be pretty ace. Especially if it's like a trinket-summon pet that can be made to help kill stuff

ok...i know you are all excited by the guild perks (which we all knew were coming) but the really important information in the news post was the four instance videos...not one of those fights appeared remotely challenging or very imaginative.

Originally Posted by Gractan

I looked and didn't see anyone ask these question...

Can guilds LOSE levels if people left? I just see drama with someone saying "Fine, screw you guys, have fun getting your level back!"

As far as I know, a guild can't lose levels. Once a level is achieved, it's permanent. However, if a person leaves the guild, they naturally lose the right to that guild's levels and perks. But, I believe it's after a small grace period, to adjust for playful /gkicks that are immediately followed by the person rejoining.

Originally Posted by phenom568

"Once a reward is unlocked, members will be able to purchase it with gold."

So does that mean the guild unlocks cool stuff and then I can buy it, or guild unlocks stuff and the gm buys it?

I'm pretty sure anyone in the guild can purchase the cool stuff that's unlocked. However, if you're just entering the guild and there are already cool things unlocked, it's my understanding that you'll have to contribute, at least a small bit, and gain reputation with that guild to take advantage of those perks and buy them.

Increases the quantity of materials gained from Mining, Skinning, Herbalism, and Disenchanting by 15%.

I guess every 7 uses you get an extra or something? I mean, what exactly is 15% of 1 ore or 2 herbs?

The other problem I see is the "contribution" thing and the XP bonus. Unless there's a major guild achievement for reaching level 5 or equipping a green item, I don't see how you're going to earn the XP bonuses when you actually want them.

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Originally Posted by tengobotas

im in beta and honestly, it sucks. the game feels like its being converted into a kids game. there are lots of neat new things to look at but beyond that the mechanics are horribly dull.

When was WoW a complex game favored by the hardcore?
When was there XP and level loss? How many items have you lost to PKs or repair penalties?
Which boss fight has taken you 5 hours to complete, as in from 100% health to 0% health?

When has WoW been anything other than an EQ clone stripped of its hardcore requirements?
(For the record, I'm thankful for that.)

Originally Posted by nachogod

I guess every 7 uses you get an extra or something? I mean, what exactly is 15% of 1 ore or 2 herbs?

The other problem I see is the "contribution" thing and the XP bonus. Unless there's a major guild achievement for reaching level 5 or equipping a green item, I don't see how you're going to earn the XP bonuses when you actually want them.

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When was WoW a complex game favored by the hardcore?
When was there XP and level loss? How many items have you lost to PKs or repair penalties?
Which boss fight has taken you 5 hours to complete, as in from 100% health to 0% health?

When has WoW been anything other than an EQ clone stripped of its hardcore requirements?
(For the record, I'm thankful for that.)

This. I played EQ for 5 years, then left for WoW after it had only been out a couple months. This game has never been hard, if you're wanting to sound cool by acting "hardcore" go play some original EQ, or Zork for all I care. This game has always been less about making incredible challenges and more about making it just challenging enough to divide casuals from people who have more time than they care to admit to clear content faster.

The training wheels were never taken off.

Originally Posted by Calaba

It seems like the guild levels in much the same way characters level. As your guildies run battlegrounds / instances, the guild gains XP. Every level the guild gets a new ability. But, only the 10 "best" characters per guild contribute to this leveling process. In other words, once a guild reaches lvl 25, that's it, that's the level cap. It'll be interesting to see how it works out at the start, though. "QQ being forced to run old instances, blah blah...."

Ohh, and please note, none of the perks increase your DPS, max hp, etc. So you're really able to join and leave guilds as you want. Once you've got to the level cap and grinded out the few reputations you want, half the perks are useless anyway.[COLOR="red"]

---------- Post added 2010-07-18 at 11:05 PM ----------

ok, thanks!
A further question...will current achievements count towards the exp? Say, on day 1 of Cata, could a guild bounce up several levels if its top ten had tons of pvp achievements, all the vanilla, bc raids, loremasters and such? Just wondering if there's any reason to have some of these done beforehand or if they'll just need to be redone for the guild?

Originally Posted by nachogod

When was WoW a complex game favored by the hardcore?
When was there XP and level loss? How many items have you lost to PKs or repair penalties?
Which boss fight has taken you 5 hours to complete, as in from 100% health to 0% health?

When has WoW been anything other than an EQ clone stripped of its hardcore requirements?
(For the record, I'm thankful for that.)

Wow was favored by the hardcore in vanilla, and has slowly been dumbed down year after year after year. Your other points were horrible fyi, if youre gonna be sarcastic and try to say the game was never hardcore lets use decent examples. Like:
When did you have to spend hours upon hours of farming fire elementals for elemental fires for raid night on rag?
When did you spend hours farming gold/mats for raiding?
When did the game favor high end raiders to trump everyone in PvP with amazing epics while casuals were stuck in blues?
When did epics used to be something you had to earn rather then be handed them for sneezing in the right direction?

Also you cant compare a game like EQ to WoW. EQ was not difficult IT WAS JUST TEDIOUS AND GRINDY. Nothing in EQ was hard it just took forever to get anything done. Plane of time/nightmare etc in EQ was a joke, WoW was actually more difficult then EQ was in the beginning raiding wise, if you didnt think so then you must have been horrible at EQ. EQ needed more people then wow ever did for some fights and each fight took 5x as long. WoW had fights that took even the top guilds weeks to get done before they eventually got nerfed.

While I dont want the game to be hardcore, it also cant be too easy and downie proof like its going right now. The game has gone from being required to play alot of hours a week raiding for new loots to welfare epics etc. The PvP gear was the first step in the right/wrong direction because it originally closed the gap between players who just pvped and those who pved, however the pvp loot at one point became much easier to get (tbc) which then turned to the mentality that PvE loot should be easier to get (heroics which then helped close the gap in pve). Now raiding is so easy that in WoTLK a new 80 can get a full set of raiding epics in one night PvE wise, and maybe in 2 weeks if you dont rush? of PvP epics. And instances like ICC were trivilized with a 30% buff to dmg/hp etc which allows people on alot of servers to pug ICC hardmodes lol.

The only challenging istance of WoTLK was Ulduar hardmodes, everything else is pretty simplistic (minus the Hardmode LK, which is more just redic hp/dmg in hardmode not so much the encounter getting harder like ulduar). I dont think anyone (myself included) wants to go back to vanilla raiding, or vanilla inflation of gear etc, but with the new talent trees (yes currently in beta and first implementation) along with other roads the game is going, it looking very dumbed down and alot of ppl like myself who quit WotLK and are hoping CATA is gonna breathe new life into WoW are getting rather disappointed to say the least.

The only pluses cata seems to have going right now
- New feeling to old zones
- Rated Bgs
- Archeology seems cool might be interesting
- new races
- and this guild thing seems pretty cool
- not having to do 10s/25 and being able to do 10 mans for the same loot while not having to wait for joe and his mom to log on because you cant fill a raid lol

While this seems like a lot only 2 or so have long term "coolness" or the ability to keep your attention for awhile. Hope im wrong but well see.

Edit: I do not want the game to go back to taking hours upon hours to get anything done, since i want to play it semi casually in Cata cause of work/friends etc and not wanting to ignore all that to be the "best". But I also dont want it to be so simple its no longer a challenge or requires any thought behind encounters or talent choices etc. While u have sites for that it still takes alot of time and effort to find the optimal set or talent choices etc unless you just wait for someone else to do it and copy.