Epic Crafted Items, Blizzcon Contests, Concept Arts

Originally Posted by Shamtasticle

Inflated stats are inflated!!

This has to be the last expac.

Yeah because there totally wasn't a gear reset for TBC and then again for WotLK... /eyeroll

---------- Post added 2010-08-13 at 03:17 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Delia

If you think back to WotLK launch, there were no "regular purple gems" just blues, and purple JC gems. Later (during Ulduar) when epic regular gems were introduced, JC gems were boosted to compensate (as well as all other professions), it wouldn't surprise me if they did the same thing again.

Hmmm yeah, you're right. Totally forgot the buff they did to Dragon's Eyes.

All good and well then for JCs!

Where the hell is the love for ret pally gear? No strength gems, armor or weapons.... Where is the love blizzard?

Originally Posted by Cernunnos

Seems like BS is missing a few things to me at this point.

Why only a polearm? I can't dual wield that as fury!?! Where is the two handed sword, twohanded axe or two handed mace?

How come the engineering gun doesn't have additional stats on it?

Agreed, they wouldn't have a full bs tier with no war, pally gear....its LUDACRIS!

Originally Posted by EndGame

There will be better trinkets for tanks; I assume. Though that stone looks downright nasty... 400+ stam and 233 mastery? Seems overkill for entry level...

Hoping there will be strength/agi/int versions too.

All this "I remember when", "In vanilla....", ect. It's not Vanilla, or BC, or Wrath anymore. The game changes and the majority of us will adapt and continue to play, no matter what they change. I do like epics feeling...epic to get, but I welcome all changes. If the game was still like vanilla, we'd complain that it's boring and needs some refreshing change. The small details isn't what makes the game fun to me, it's the experience of playing in an evolving world with others. The color of the text of my items doesn't make a difference to me.

This is coming from someone that just got back from a long break. I came back to see regular flying mounts moving faster, lvl 20 mounts, dungeon finder, the ability to be geared for newest raid through just heroic 5-mans. And many other things that "dumbed" the game down, none of that bothers me one bit. Hardcore players can do their thing with hard modes, removing buff, ect. But casual players (which I am now) can seill see stuff and enjoy it.

The problem is that people, generally the hardcore players...want to be able to exclude people. They need to see stuff or receive things (titles, gear, mounts) that nobody else can. Otherwise, how will they feel better than everyone? Why do you think so many people complained when a raid that they've had cleared for months (with the buff, most likely) got easier with the buff increase to 30%. The buff is fine, just until it's high enough for you to clear it. "But don't increase the buff further to help anyone else, because I already did it with 15% months ago."

The game changed drastically. If you don't like the direction it's going, you're free to leave. It's never going to be your beloved Vanilla again. Change is scary to WoW players, unless that change helps their particular class or their situation. "OMG too hard, give me a dmg buff!". "OK, I finally got it. No more changes! Stop helping these scrubs!"

Originally Posted by Blur

thanks, but does mastery improves all talents or jurt one for example mangle?

I don't mean to be an ass, but have you been paying attention at all? This is a huge big thing they've been talking about (and tweaking) for months and months, so explaining it in a simple post will be a tad difficult. Here goes my best attempt:

When you select a class and spec you get some "Masteries" based off of what class and spec you are chose. So a Fire Mage might get +crit and +fire damage, an Assassination Rogue might get +Poison Damage and +Melee Damage, and Disc Priest might get +Shield bonuses, etc. You can look at the talent calculators to see what the bonus is for each class/spec. I don't really remember them all, and they're all changing as beta progresses. The idea is that Masteries make you better at what you're already good at.

So for each point that you put into talents in your primary spec (so essentially every other level until 56, I think) your Mastery increases. On top of that, you can increase your Mastery with the "Mastery" gear stat. So if you have, lets say, four Mutilate Rogues: one level 10, one level 56 (or whenever you max out your 31 points in your main spec) and two level 80, it'll work like this:

The first rogue has, let's say, +10% poison damage because he has chosen Assassination. The second Rogue has, let's say, +20% poison damage because he's maxed out his Assassination talents. The third Rogue has no gear with Mastery on it (he hasn't collected any new gear yet) so he STILL has +20% poison damage. It hasn't changed since he spent his 31st point in Assassination. The fourth Rogue has gathered some mastery gear. He has (I'm completely making these numbers up by the way) 400 Mastery, which gives him a 5% Mastery Bonus. So now he has +25% poison damage.

The idea here is that Mastery is a stat that Blizzard can put on items, and whatever your character is already good at, he'll do better. So they cut down on some of the "Dammit Blizz, ArP is terrible for Assassination Rogues, why does all the leather in ICC have ArP?" or the converse "Man, ArP is all I want as a Combat Rogue, why can't all the leather in ICC have ArP?" Put Mastery on stuff and everybody likes it, because it helps everyone do what they do. If they design the Mastery bonuses right, it'll be the one stat that every class/spec wants.

There's a ton stuff in Blue posts, comments, and MMOChamp posts about all of this. What's good, what's bad, who's mastery is OP or sucks. Look around. It's probably the single biggest stat and character development change they've made. I don't know how you missed it.

Originally Posted by Dahakas

this all looks like more easy to get welfare epics. Whatever happening to increasing the importance and rarity of epics, this was one of the things that made vanilla so fantastic, that feeling of accomplishment when getting an epic in vanilla was what captured the original fan base. sigh.

Well i do recall seeing "Don't expect them to be easy to craft." in the post at least for the blacksmithing epic items, so i can probably assume some of the other epics will not simply be a walk in the park to craft and obtain~ But i do feel WoW will never go back to the accomplishment of Epicness in vanilla though~~

Originally Posted by DrgnDancer

I don't mean to be an ass, but have you been paying attention at all? This is a huge big thing they've been talking about (and tweaking) for months and months, so explaining it in a simple post will be a tad difficult. Here goes my best attempt:

When you select a class and spec you get some "Masteries" based off of what class and spec you are chose. So a Fire Mage might get +crit and +fire damage, an Assassination Rogue might get +Poison Damage and +Melee Damage, and Disc Priest might get +Shield bonuses, etc. You can look at the talent calculators to see what the bonus is for each class/spec. I don't really remember them all, and they're all changing as beta progresses. The idea is that Masteries make you better at what you're already good at.

So for each point that you put into talents in your primary spec (so essentially every other level until 56, I think) your Mastery increases. On top of that, you can increase your Mastery with the "Mastery" gear stat. So if you have, lets say, four Mutilate Rogues: one level 10, one level 56 (or whenever you max out your 31 points in your main spec) and two level 80, it'll work like this:

The first rogue has, let's say, +10% poison damage because he has chosen Assassination. The second Rogue has, let's say, +20% poison damage because he's maxed out his Assassination talents. The third Rogue has no gear with Mastery on it (he hasn't collected any new gear yet) so he STILL has +20% poison damage. It hasn't changed since he spent his 31st point in Assassination. The fourth Rogue has gathered some mastery gear. He has (I'm completely making these numbers up by the way) 400 Mastery, which gives him a 5% Mastery Bonus. So now he has +25% poison damage.

The idea here is that Mastery is a stat that Blizzard can put on items, and whatever your character is already good at, he'll do better. So they cut down on some of the "Dammit Blizz, ArP is terrible for Assassination Rogues, why does all the leather in ICC have ArP?" or the converse "Man, ArP is all I want as a Combat Rogue, why can't all the leather in ICC have ArP?" Put Mastery on stuff and everybody likes it, because it helps everyone do what they do. If they design the Mastery bonuses right, it'll be the one stat that every class/spec wants.

There's a ton stuff in Blue posts, comments, and MMOChamp posts about all of this. What's good, what's bad, who's mastery is OP or sucks. Look around. It's probably the single biggest stat and character development change they've made. I don't know how you missed it.

thank you for informative answer

probably DK?

Originally Posted by DrgnDancer

So for each point that you put into talents in your primary spec (so essentially every other level until 56, I think) your Mastery increases. On top of that, you can increase your Mastery with the "Mastery" gear stat. So if you have, lets say, four Mutilate Rogues: one level 10, one level 56 (or whenever you max out your 31 points in your main spec) and two level 80, it'll work like this:

The first rogue has, let's say, +10% poison damage because he has chosen Assassination. The second Rogue has, let's say, +20% poison damage because he's maxed out his Assassination talents. The third Rogue has no gear with Mastery on it (he hasn't collected any new gear yet) so he STILL has +20% poison damage.

I don't mean to be an ass... but pretty sure they scrubbed the "increases with talents" portion of mastery when they decided to do the "select your spec" at level 10. Your master % at level 10 will be the same mastery % until you start getting Mastery rating. It still scales with level, because its a percentage, and that's what percentages do, they scale.

"this all looks like more easy to get welfare epics."

Ya because grinding for literally weeks to make Robe of the Archmage was sooo much fun, let's go back to that pleas.(/s)

Blizzard has a habit of over doing things one way or the other(I call them the arrested development team), you know like an emo teenager, the kind that complains about what other people are doing or getting.

I'm betting it'll be a monstrous pain in the ass requiring many instance/raid runs to get the mats and I'm also betting that your kind will be bitching about that as well.

I love those "welfare" epics, and how people here talk about them like they're something incredibly special, why should casuals get them. Let's use that junky polearm for example. Remember how fast the titansteel bonecrusher got replaced? That's how fast that junk polearm will get replaced. It'll be replaced, or have something nearly equivalent in a Heroic Dungeon. In fact, the stats are garbage on it as is, and unless there's some other weapon with STR or whatever on it instead, most likely there will be a 2H weapon with proper stats on it in said dungeons to replace it with. Next, tack on that the mat requirements for said weapon will probably be ridiculous, it just doesn't look that attractive.

They need to give Blacksmiths something special again, not just sockets. They need to have proper BOP weapons/armor. Or, allow them to add a socket onto a few more items. My god is engineering getting a lot of love so far. Not to mention I'm sure they'll have a craftable mount or two again. All that unnecessary bitching paid off for the kids it seems, Blizzard listened.

---------- Post added 2010-08-13 at 05:52 PM ----------

Originally Posted by zmyth

This looks amazing! im excited

There it is again, "amazing". That word has such little value anymore due to overuse on things that do not deserve such IMHO. There's nothing too special here, outside of a few engineering things that look "OK", it's very run-of-the-mill for an expansion as compared to the past, nothing new. Every single time Blizzard shows off a recolored/recycled model, there's always a few "amazing" people, and they depreciated the value of said word to the point where "amazing = alright".

I mean, look at the stuff shown off. Some stuff is poorly itemized already. Most of the stuff is just more recycled thoughts from Wrath. "Highlight item, Copy item, Paste item, multiply stats by 2.5, yep my work for today is done. Time to go look at the new statue we just got in the bathroom." - Blizzard developer.

Well, I doubt I'll be replacing my darkmoon card: greatness for the alchemy trinket, unless mastery is WAYYY better than I expect it to be...

Originally Posted by durenas

Well, I doubt I'll be replacing my darkmoon card: greatness for the alchemy trinket, unless mastery is WAYYY better than I expect it to be...

If that trinket comes in a STR flavor it will completely dismantle Greatness for ret paladins.

Even without strenght; if the mastery conversion ratio is similar to STR than the alchemy trinket may on its own merit be better than greatness anyways. (Pop a STR gem in there. Voila.) Mastery, based on the math, is the single greatest stat for ret paladins due to the scaling nature of holy damage with inquisition. Now. If seals damage is reduced even further than this could change.

I'm wondering how no one has commented on that epic caster dagger... two THOUSAND spell power, plus another 150 intellect. I almost cried...

Originally Posted by Bonham

I'm wondering how no one has commented on that epic caster dagger... two THOUSAND spell power, plus another 150 intellect. I almost cried...

Other than the novelty of seeing such big numbers on the items, this doesn't mean too much considering how everything is scaling in Cata, plus who knows the final values of stats such as "spell power" anymore. Though, it is interesting to see such high numbers sometimes.

I mean, Shadowmourne, a Legendary item, has 1600 top end dmg, while that junk craftable polearm has 2800. Things just scale like mad every expansion. This time, hopefully people can't do the first raid in T10 gear, and need to gear up appropriately first.

Originally Posted by Delia

I don't mean to be an ass... but pretty sure they scrubbed the "increases with talents" portion of mastery when they decided to do the "select your spec" at level 10. Your master % at level 10 will be the same mastery % until you start getting Mastery rating. It still scales with level, because its a percentage, and that's what percentages do, they scale.

That makes a certain amount of sense, but I can't find any confirmation. I was just explaining as I've seen it described.

I like how they are called welfare epics and yet you still have to spend at the VERY least days gathering the material. For some things it takes weeks. So you're working your butt off to get the crafted and it is called welfare?

From wiki:
"Welfare or welfare work consists of actions or procedures — especially on the part of governments and institutions — striving to promote the basic well-being of individuals in need."

People don't sit around and beg for these epics. They are WORKING for them.

If anything, raid epics are welfare. You have to depend on other people to get them. Read that description from wiki again. You certainly can't solo your way to those epics can you? Most entrepreneurs in the world are individuals or very small groups of people.

So, there you have it. Epics from raiding are the new welfare epics because you have to depend on others to get them.

[I do not raid nor do I have any interest in raiding. I used to raid and I found it unenjoyable for the most part. I will, however, enjoy the epic or two that I spend time gathering my own mats for.]

Originally Posted by kewz

engineering helms suck tbh plz give em secondery stats.. so i can actuly stay engineer without feeling silly -;D cuse atm i would rather wear a blue helm with the same item lvl

Yeah, you should just delete your engineer, like me. I mean, it's not like the cogs and pumps give us the secondary stats that we want. So Boub please change the engineering helms or we are gonna delete our engineers.

Eh.. tanking cloak with spellhit?