Originally Posted by Airath

That is, unless they increase gold cap value till 2^63 copper already when next patch hits.

Really, they're increasing the gold cap? Woah, that's nearly a quadrillion gold! Time to set my standards a little higher :P

Originally Posted by Moridius

If playing this game as taught us anything, I'd be willing to be the next two things are true.


B: JPs will not buy T11 raid gear in Cataclysm. They will most likely buy us starter dungeon gear or blues.

Correct

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Justice Points Low-tier, easy-to-get PvE points that will buy gear (like Emblems of Triumph are now)
Valor Points High-tier, harder-to-get PvE points that will buy gear (like Emblems of Frost are now)
Honor Points Low-tier, easy-to-get PvP points that will buy PvP gear (like normal Honor Points are now)
Conquest Points High-tier, harder-to-get PvP points that will buy PvP gear (like Arena Points are now)

(source:wow.com/2010/09/14/major-cataclysm-currency-changes)

Originally Posted by Shadowdream

Do some quick numbers for your own servers guys. On mine, this gold exchange is a gold sink.

It's actually a clever potential-gold sink. You'd make around 3-4 times more gold from Frost by buying and selling saronite and 1.5-2.5 more gold by buying and selling gems.

Think guys, Blizzard is being devious here, why in the hell would they give gold away for free?

It is not a gold sink, since it does not bring any gold out of server economy.
It is a gold influx, since it creates gold 'out of thin air' into the economy.

Yes, it can be a gold sink of a single person on a server, where really there is enough demand for ~100g worth cut gems till the patch.
And you know what can happen if enough people start panic-converting emblems into gems and selling them in a market, where it is not enough demand for them at 55g+ price in such quantities

I think anybody getting their hopes up about using justice points (from emblem conversion) earned while at level 80 to buy level 85 gear is going to be immensely disappointed. This isn't just patch+0.1, this is an entire expansion, 3.3 to 4.0. The difference between T11 and T10 is astronomical compared to the difference between T10 and T9. Those pretty little justice points aren't going to buy you squat for level 85.

They are still converting into Justice in order to maintain the integrity of the system. I'm going to laugh when people complain that they grinded level 80 heroics for a month and now cannot buy anything other than level 251 and 264 items when Cataclysm launches.

Originally Posted by Conbot

Tier 10 helm goes from 95 frost to 400 frost with this patch??? Regardless if triumph is easy to farm, frost just got devalued in a serious manner.

This is a big step backwards, every tier made the previous tier more accessible. So i am left scratching my head why this obsolete tier is becoming so much more expensive? Shouldn't it stay the same or get cheaper if anything?

Because when this patch hits, there will only be a few weeks left before Cata is released, and frost gear is 100% worthless from that date. Many seem to miss this. I see people write stuff like "levelling in frost", and that is something that you won't do. Previous expansions the top raid gear has been very usable, to the point that Naxx could be defeated in Sunwell gear. This will NOT happen in Cataclysm.

So, this is a good point in time to do this. You get SOMETHING for your old useless emblems, but it wont buy you much in Cata. Blizzard could just as well reset all your badges.

And, everything points to justice dropping from heroics (and old tier raids) in Cata and valor dropping from current tier raids. However, I'm not so sure you will be able to buy epics at 85 with justice from day 1. More likely, you will get top ilvl blues, and perhaps one or two epics. I think a lot of you equate triumph with gear good enough to faceroll heroics and some raids with, and assume justice will be similar. It wont be, not initially.

Originally Posted by Sparkymisslecat

You wont get Justice points for running 85 Heroics - you will get Valor (or whatever they called them) Justice Points are only what we get for eliminating/converting out all our current badges to the new point system.

This is far from true. Read the original blue post again.

• Justice points are equivalent to the current Emblems of Triumph.
• Valor points are equivalent to the current Emblems of Frost.

Also,

• When you run dungeons, old raids and 85 Heroics, bosses will give you Justice points (I guess that an amount proportional to the boss level and player level).
• When you run 85 raids, bosses will give you Valor points.
• When you run your first 85 heroic of the day using the Dungeon Finder system, you will get a small amount of Valor points.

Maybe the confusion exists because your current Emblems of Frost are being converted to Justice points. Well, get used to it, because this is what will happen every time new content (and tier) is introduced: they will convert all your Valor points to Justice points, so every new content you start with nada, just Justice points.

Now, what can justice points buy you? All the epics from the second best tier downwards. That means that when the new patch arrives, tier 10 will be available for Justice points. When Cata arrives, the next tier (supposedly tier 11) will become available, but only fot Valor points, which no one will have, and only for level 85, which no one will be yet.

When you hit 85, there will *probably* be blues appropriate for that level that you will be able to buy for Justice points (at least I hope so).

Originally Posted by Cirawin

I think anybody getting their hopes up about using justice points (from emblem conversion) earned while at level 80 to buy level 85 gear is going to be immensely disappointed. This isn't just patch+0.1, this is an entire expansion, 3.3 to 4.0. The difference between T11 and T10 is astronomical compared to the difference between T10 and T9. Those pretty little justice points aren't going to buy you squat for level 85.

Ofcourse you can buy SOMETHING at level 85. However, initially it will be blues and perhaps epics for a few slots. Justice WILL drop from heroics in cata, and of course you will be able to buy something for them.

Originally Posted by gry

Badge of Justice = 1.833 gold each

is this serious?

The americans use a period to seperate the decimals, so its 1 gold not a thousand gold.


And all in all big deal, I'm getting 300 gold or something like that.

---------- Post added 2010-09-15 at 07:14 PM ----------

Btw, thats a nice calculator

Originally Posted by gry

Badge of Justice = 1.833 gold each

is this serious?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL he thought it was 1.8k for each! HAHAHAHAHA

Originally Posted by Wizball

Because when this patch hits, there will only be a few weeks left before Cata is released, and frost gear is 100% worthless from that date. Many seem to miss this. I see people write stuff like "levelling in frost", and that is something that you won't do. Previous expansions the top raid gear has been very usable, to the point that Naxx could be defeated in Sunwell gear. This will NOT happen in Cataclysm.

I understand this.

However, I do not understand why the value of Tier 10 is increased by 4 fold. Seems like this obsolete frost gear gets a whole lot more valuable with this patch. That makes no sense.

Gems usually go for more than 55g so right now on my server I'm better off selling than hoarding for the conversion.

Yeah but how is the price of the items changing?

this conversion comes with 4.0
so what will happen to our justice points come cata?

surely they wont let us keep it all.. will they be wiped or converted to gold again?

There is absolutely zero pieces of gear i need to buy currently with frost/triumph. If justice points are going to be wiped i might as well downgrade all my emblems so i get gold for them


or will the first tier cost valor points?

Why exactly would you want to buy tier 10 251 this late in the game anyways. A month after the patch gos live you'll replace it with your first quests in cataclysm seems pointless.

nothing game changing here so move along everybody nothing to see

Originally Posted by Pumps

The americans use a period to seperate the decimals, so its 1 gold not a thousand gold.

Not just Americans, we in the UK do the same.

Originally Posted by Conbot

However, I do not understand why the value of Tier 10 is increased by 4 fold. Seems like this obsolete frost gear gets a whole lot more valuable with this patch. That makes no sense.

Well if the cost was the same, you'd have people farming triumphs right now to get that gear easily. They just don't want farming Triumphs now to be an easy way to obtain that gear. If you are close to getting a piece of Frost gear you probably have the time to go grab the piece you want now before the conversion happens.

I haven't tested it on the PTR but I'm guessing the amount of Justice Points you get per boss in a raid/heroic is going to be much higher in 4.0 than the emblems you get now. So once the patch goes live you can probably earn that gear in roughly the same time that you can now. They'll probably have ICC award a lot more points than you will out of a heroic to compensate.

Who wouldn't use a period(decimal point) to seperate it. And if they did use something else, why?

Originally Posted by Shadowdream

Really, they're increasing the gold cap? Woah, that's nearly a quadrillion gold! Time to set my standards a little higher :P

Current gold cap is based on the maximum value of a signed "int" variable on a 32 bit system. If they change the variable to a "long int" it will increase the gold cap by an order of magnitude. You'll never get it. It'll go from roughly 2,140,000,000 copper (214,000 gold and change) to roughly 9,220,000,000,000,000,000 copper (922,000,000,000 gold). You'd have to be some AH player to hit 900 *billion* gold.

Edit: And... you already noticed that... Not sure how I misread your single line post.

Originally Posted by martinkaca

Who wouldn't use a period(decimal point) to separate it. And if they did use something else, why?

The same reason we have different systems of measurement, people are either stuck in familiar ways or enjoy being confused throughout the world.

On topic: Is there by any chance a website that would allow me to check my currency page? I've been inactive for quite a bit of time and I want to see if I can check how much gold/points I can get come Cata when I start playing again.