Will we be able to use Honor and Justice points at launch of Cata ???

Originally Posted by martinkaca

Who wouldn't use a period(decimal point) to seperate it. And if they did use something else, why?

Continental Europeans use commas to indicate a decimal point, and periods to separate every third number digit of a long number. So if something cost three thousand Euros and twenty three cents in, say, Germany the price tag would say 3.000,23 It's a bit confusing when you first land in Europe, but you get used to it quickly. Similarly, they find our system a bit confusing sometimes if they haven't seen it before.

Originally Posted by Hemrus

hmm let me think:
100 X Emblem = 550G
550G x 3 = 1650 G

100 Badges = 183.3 Gold

mean a easy 1833.3 G when ur max on emblems
NICE!

Easy? Not for the time it takes running those countless hc runs...

I'm sure the money people will make off of this will be put towards Flying, be it their first flight skill purchase, or the 310% speed.

This won't influence the economy, I'm sure of it.

Well, I am not spending anything now. Time to save up a ton of badges for a ton of gold when this is implemented.

The cap is 4000, they probably will just raise the cap and increase the prices of the items every tier.

The Emblem to Justice Point conversion is wrong.
Please note that the correct math is (EoT + EoF) * 2.75, and not EoT * 2.75 + EoF * 2.75. They are different if you round the results before adding.

Example:
EoT: 11
EoF: 21

The calculator says these will convert to 87 JP when the correct number is 88:
(11 + 21) * 2.75 = 32 * 2.75 = 88

HOLY SHIT - OVER 9000 GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah!

Im happy about the fact that Venture Coins give so much honor. I have a metric fuckton of those lying aorund.

And they're not hard to get either :P

I'm ok with not getting a crapload of lv80 epics from current emblems when this goes live, but I'm sort of worried about the rate at which we will earn justice points at lv85 if one piece costs, say, 2k points (I picked a random number here).

We all know Blizzard got tired of getting told the game is too easy and that they're giving away free epics to every scrub, and purples are supposed to be epic again as we'll likely spend a lot more time in blues before getting greater gear, but let's hope this isn't a complete 180-degree turn because there are no words to describe the cataclysmic tear fest that's going to happen (not to mention the unwanted comeback of elistist "I'm better than you because my gear is purple" crap).

I'm far from being convinced they can turn the game around like this, seeing the numerous examples we've seen of them caving in and making things easier.

So, by the calculator i get around 10000 new honor points, but the cap is 4k. Can anyone tell me, if im correct:
that means im getting 4000 new honor points + 6000*0.35= around 2k gold.

and what will you be able to buy with those 4k new honor points?

1121g79s60c for my old BoJ? Deal!

Originally Posted by pbean

I am fairly sure that the rate of earning points will be really close to the current rate of earning Emblems (as an Emblem/Points per boss rate, not and Emblem/Points per hour rate, because content will be harder at the start of course).

One of the nice things with this new system is that there's a possibility to award extra points for harder bosses, make the system more fine-grained than the current one emblem per boss if they so desire. Those numbers can also be adjusted when new heroics are released.

What I would like to know is how does the conversion look with prices on the PTR.

IE if say a t9 chest piece costs 50 badges now is it the direct equivalent of justice points to buy the same thing on the PTR?

Originally Posted by Thoelle

Will we be able to use Honor and Justice points at launch of Cata ???

Yes you will be able to buy the lowest level of "emblem gear", just like you could buy lowest level PvP gear when WotLK dropped with honor points you saved up in TBC if you were honor capped when LK shipped.

However (again - just like with honor gear when WotLK dropped), the new gear will be much more expensive, meaning your precious Frost emblems WILL translate to helping you buy gear in Cata, but will not be sufficient for very much. This was the case as well when the new WotLK PvP gear was way more expensive (while using the same points system as before) than anything you had been able to buy back in TBC.

For example, let's say you have 1000 Justice Points when Cata is about to ship. This might allow you to buy some Icecrown gear (264). Or you can save your Justice Points for when you hit 85. But the new "heroics" gear in Cata is going to cost say 2000 each, so your precious savings from Frost/Triumph badges will have lost much of it's value.

Heroics in Cata are going to drop more than the current 1 emblem per boss. My guess is that bosses in heroics are going to drop 5 Justice Points each. My reason for making this guess is that they chose to let Triumph/Frost badges convert at a rate of 2.75. When a new expansion hits, all values tend to be roughly doubled - the amount of gold, the cost of honor gear, the stats on your items and so on. Everything gets doubled, pretty much. Tbhis is obviously speculation on my behalf (that heroics bosses will drop 5 Justice Points each).

Also, just like when WotLK shipped, there will be Valor Points which gives you the finest raid gear and which you cannot get from doing heroics. In WotLK these dropped from 25-man raids. In Cata, becuase they are equalizing 10-man and 25-man raiding, Valor Points will drop from both 10-mans and 25-mans.

To sum up:

This will happen when Cata ships:

Justice Points can buy you your first epics in Cata.
You can save up Justice Points (JP) from Wrath of The Lich King, but the conversion rate is kind of bad and thus your measly WotLK JPs will not suffice for much.
You will get Justice Points from running heroics in Cata. This will be a much more powerful way to get those points.

Valor points buys you the really hawt gear in Cata.
Raid bosses (10-man and 25-man) will drop Valor Points.
You will get a few Valor Points from doing the daily Random Heroic, just like you get a few Frost badges today.

Then, after patch 4.1 when a new raid tier is released, all your then Valor Points will be converted into Justice Points and you will sit on a lot of Justice Points, and zero Valor Points. That conversion will then happen over and over when a new raid tier (or expansion) hits. No justice points 8or emblems) will ever be deleted, however, due to them inflating the numbers at every expansion, they value will be less and less of points hard earned long ago.

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Originally Posted by Narshe

Likely that Valor points will drop in both heroics and the first teir of raiding, just like Wotlk with Heroism emblems.

That comparison is misleading.

This is how they've stated it will be/was:

In WotLK:
Heroism emblems drops from heroics and 10-man raids.
Valor emblems drops from 25-man raids.

In Cata:
Heroism points (later renamed to Justice Points) drops from heroics.
Valor points drop from raids. This will include both 10-man and 25-man.

The reason they changed the name from Heroism to Justice for the low level points is probably that "heroic" is supposed to mean hard when it comes to raids - something that evolved along the way of WotLK. When WotLK shipped, there wasn't anything such as heroic raids - "heroic" then only meant "heroic 5-mans", which means it then made sense to have Heroism emblems drop from "Heroics". Now, they need a more neutral word becuase "heroic" can mean several things. They chose "Justice".

Ok, here's the maths:
1 epic gem = 10000 honor = 240 new honor.
240 honor x 35 silver for the trade-in = 84g.
Conclusion: Going over the honor cap is ok, you won't lose much when they give you the gold.
For arena points, it's a good deal- you're getting 85 new honor points for every 100 arena points, instead of handing them in for 2000 old honor, or 48 honor points. That's double what you'll get if you trade them in now.
Stonekeepers shards are converted for wintergrasp commendation amounts, so you don't lose anything there.
And be happy to be getting anything from venture company coins and spirit shards at all

So, if you're going WAY over the honor cap, you're fine there, and need to do nothing at all, just watch the cash roll in. Unless, of course, they reset honor points. In which case, SELL SELL SELL!!!

Meanwhile, if you've got a few emblems of triumph, or emblems of frost kicking around, SELL NOW. The amount you'll get for going over the cap SIMPLY WON'T BE WORTH IT, and the price of saronites and epic gems is going to plummet when these changes go live. Prices are going down, and the gear you can get from them right now will be no better than lvl 80 greens, so cash in soon. Unless, of course, you still need gear from them. It also won't be worth it to grind out 5-mans to hit the cap. You'll be better off AoE grinding regular mobs for gold. (Unless you're going for achievements or something.) The reason? Crafted lvl85 gear, bought off the AH. These new points simply won't get you anything better.

Of course, this is all based on various assumptions, including server economies, and PTR stuff being subject to change.

So, I'm the only one who's going to trade in all my Emblem of whatever now and get myself about 8-10g pr. emblem from gems, instead of waiting for them to convert into 5.5g pr emblem?

Originally Posted by Duticyaa

So, I'm the only one who's going to trade in all my Emblem of whatever now and get myself about 8-10g pr. emblem from gems, instead of waiting for them to convert into 5.5g pr emblem?

I'm guessing everybody is going to be doing this.

Yay cheap gems...which might be useful for leveling JC from 450-475 or so at the beginning of Cata if the prices are 'right' compared to the new 'green' quality gems.

hmmm, apparently I'd make over 14k new honor points from my 270 wg marks, 4k shards, 700 venture coins alone. Am I to understand that anything above 4k new honor points is wasted and turned into gold?

Originally Posted by Confucius

hmmm, apparently I'd make over 14k new honor points from my 270 wg marks, 4k shards, 700 venture coins alone. Am I to understand that anything above 4k new honor points is wasted and turned into gold?

No, try reading it again.

Honor is honor. Like, you know, we've had honor points for the last couople of years in the game. You use honor points to buy PvP gear and the current cap of 75k honor is being raised even further.

The 4k cap is for Justice Points, which is the new PvE currency that is modelled on the old honor points for PvP. it will work similar but it is different. And it is for PvE, not for PvP.