Originally Posted by bregtann

No, try reading it again.

Honor is honor. Like, you know, we've had honor points for the last couople of years in the game. You use honor points to buy PvP gear and the current cap of 75k honor is being raised even further.

The 4k cap is for Justice Points, which is the new PvE currency that is modelled on the old honor points for PvP. it will work similar but it is different. And it is for PvE, not for PvP.

No, no, no, no no. He'll get around 3500g with his current stockpile as he goes over the honor cap, which is also 4000. This new cap is equivalent to 166666 "old" honor currently, in other words a little more than double what it is now.

I thank the person who linked the screen shot of the vendors, Hopefully you can get a full cost list up on the main page here, but I was able to see what I was in store for from that screen of frost and honor vendors.

For T10 items it just doesn't seem to scan. 400 badges for items that currently cost 95. :/
For Gems it is bad. 80 badges for items that currently cost 20.
And for legacy gear it's 260 badges for weapons that currently cost 65.
I don't know what the T9 conversions are, but I don't imagine they are favorable.
At least the Gold conversion is reasonable. A red gem for 20 badges gets you max 110g cut on my server, so why bother with the AH and just get the gold straight from the source.

I'm taking away from this that I better get my ducks in a row and buy any Legacy gear or cosmetic items I want for my characters before this change over and then convert everything else to lower badges and collect the cash. I have a distinct feeling that both point awards and the point cap will be significantly higher at 85, just like honor caps in 60/70/80 game.

No reason to farm Emblems whatsoever. Even at this rate it's still more profitable to buy gem and sell 'em . 10 badges = 55g here, but 10 badge = 100 g with a gem.

Still sweet though.

Sounds like a waste of time to farm 70BC heroics for badges, easier to make money else where.

As for the guy with the 4k Venture coin, jackpot! since those are worth the most on conversion.

I am just going to add a big of my personal observation to the noise.

1 trinket and the Relic slot (for classes that use them) are NOT quest rewards in the first zones of Cata. All other gear that you can buy with emblems WILL be replaced. If you are deciding what to buy now, my advise is to go for a trinket and relic first. They are the only item slot that will make it out of the first zone in cata unless you are in ICC25 gear.

I'm personally getting them for all my alts and the rest will go towards gems to be sold on the AH.

In my opinion, it is very unlikely that the devs will allow justice points we can earn now to give us any significant head start in Cata. My reasoning goes like this. The absolute best gear you can get from raiding now will barely last you until 85. Do we really think that anything we can earn from heroics now will be valuable at 85?

Either they are going to force a cash-out of justice points when cata launches (ie, we get gold, but start with 0JP), or else the price of items that can be bought with JP at 85 will dwarf anything we can possibly earn now.

w8 so is there going to be any 85 gear to buy with justice points? i am currently grinding out my 1455 emblems.

Sweet calculator on front page! thats a pretty pro app

Originally Posted by Hotaka

I thank the person who linked the screen shot of the vendors, Hopefully you can get a full cost list up on the main page here, but I was able to see what I was in store for from that screen of frost and honor vendors.

Could you please link it in here ? Would like to take a look, very interesting info you say.

Originally Posted by foolishned

Umm, won't 71000 honour point X 35 silver be a LOT? That's 350G per 1000 points, that must be a mistake surely?

Perhaps it is 35s per new honor points, rather than old.

badge of justice to gold calculator isnt working

As things stand now, it seems to me that the bottom line is to spend everything but Venture coins and Wintergrasp Marks.

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Originally Posted by Second

Could you please link it in here ? Would like to take a look, very interesting info you say.

It is in the thread. The short version is: T10 - Trinkets and Belts 694 JP, Cloaks 578, Primordials 266, Pants 1100. T9 - Trinks 435, necks 271, helm 489, hands and shoulders 326, Cardinals and King's Amber etc 217, Dreadstone & Amertine 108. Heirlooms 706-435 JP.

If these values go live, you'd do much better to buy everything now.

Well here are my before and after numbers from a copy of my character to the PTR:

Frost Before: 29
Frost After: 0

Triumph Before: 44
Triumph After: 0

New Justice Points: 73 (29+44)

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Justice badges Before: 490
Justice badges After: 0

Gold in my inbox from conversion: 898.17 (aprox 2g per)

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Arena points Before: 261
Arena points After: 0

Honor points Before: 12524
Arena points After: 12524

new Conquest points: 261 (1:1 from Arena)

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All of my Stone shards, Venture Coins, and WG marks stayed the same.

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How interesting that Venture Company coins are worth so much. I've got a boatload, because I enjoyed those quests (broke up the monotony of spamming Hodir dailies), so I'm looking forward too that.

did anyone read what the blue post said properly? they said that the cost of Items currently won't change and the PTR Values are Wrong, if a Saronite costs 23 frosts it should be about 50 or 60 points, when the change happens, for example

And as a follow up to the person who talked about the honor conversion:

It says anything over the soft cap for 4000 will be converted into 1 = 35 silver.

It also says that 1 old honor = .024 new honor.

By that math 75000 old honor = 1800

Thus, the new cap will be equivalent to: 4000/.024 = 166666.67 honor (roughly double)

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Now my honor did not convert! It stayed at the same 12524 it was when I went in. And my Wintergrasp commendations still say they award 2000 honor (although upon use nothing happens [ad they are still consumed])

With that 12524 I will get ([12524-4000]*.35)= 2983.4g so i DONT think that is right :P

moar $$

Originally Posted by coltrain

And my Wintergrasp commendations still say they award 2000 honor (although upon use nothing happens [ad they are still consumed])

This is what concerns me. So the Wintergrasp Commendations are still in Cataclysm, but do they still work or are they yet to be removed? I love stockpiling them because it makes honor for alts much more enjoyable.

Originally Posted by Alianthos

No reason to farm Emblems whatsoever. Even at this rate it's still more profitable to buy gem and sell 'em . 10 badges = 55g here, but 10 badge = 100 g with a gem.

Still sweet though.

No point bothering with even that on Malfurion. AH prices have hit rock-bottom, with solid gems selling for ~65g and mixed for much lower (~40g). It's a shame, but that's what happened near the end of TBC as well. My plan is to just hoard what I already have since I'll get more gold that way than trying to play the auction house.

Edit: Forgot to mention this before posting. Internet Explorer 8 is having issues with the conversion calculator in that it will only calculate for Justice Points, the arrows don't display, and none of the money fields are showing.

Originally Posted by Mendol

I'm guessing everybody is going to be doing this.

Yay cheap gems...which might be useful for leveling JC from 450-475 or so at the beginning of Cata if the prices are 'right' compared to the new 'green' quality gems.

As with some other "max lvl for current content"-recepies, they don´t give good skillups past 450 (455 if you´re Draenei, not sure if they are
removing that racial), they turn green at 452 and grey at 465.
Then again with the planned change in skilling up, isn´t it something like "orange give a small bucket of skillups, yellow give more than 1, and green give you 1 skillup"?
Might be a sure way to get to 465 fast enough and save some of the new precious minerals a few lvls... might be some handy info on the Cata profession forum!

So when exactly is this change gonna be made??? (please reply)