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# Cataclysm Currency and Honor Calculator

Cataclysm Currency and Honor Calculator

# Honor points!

Cataclysm Currency Changes Formula
Originally Posted by Vaneras (Blue Tracker)
Here's some information on how each of the currencies will be converted in the next content patch. Keep in mind these values may change, and they can get a bit math heavy. Just know that our intent is to appropriately value each mark and provide a conversion we feel is fair.

The following items are immediately converted to gold:

• Emblem of Heroism = 5.5 gold each
• Emblem of Valor = 5.5 gold each
• Emblem of Conquest = 5.5 gold each
• Badge of Justice = 1.833 gold each

Your New Honor Points total will be the sum of the following amounts:

• Old Honor * 0.024
• Old Arena Points * 0.85
• Battleground Mark of Honor * 2.976
• Wintergrasp Mark of Honor * 19.08
• Stone Keeper Shard * 1.6
• Venture Coin * 3
• Spirit Shard * 1

Your Justice Points total will be equal to (Emblems of Triumph + Emblems of Frost ) * 2.75

Again, the softcap for both Honor and Justice conversions is 4000 points. This means that if a character converts to above 4,000 points, it will not be possible for them to earn more until they fall below the 4,000 cap.

A hardcap will be implemented in a following patch before Cataclysm's release. At that time, any excess points above 4,000 will be converted as follows:

• Honor points above 4,000 are converted to gold at a rate of 35 silver per point of Honor.
• Justice points above 4,000 are converted to gold at a rate of 2 gold per point of Justice.
1. Originally Posted by hatterson

I have no doubt they'll increase the cap once cata hits and have the cata gear priced higher (so you don't cap out at 80 and then have a full set as soon as you ding 85), but you'll certainly be able to use the same currency to buy level 85 gear.

Exactly. They can just increase the cap to lets say 25k and make cheapest Cata epic cost 10k. So if you cap now till 4k, then some insane GZ on getting 40% of a single epic 'faster'
1. Originally Posted by Naoto
Wow, what a retarded thing Blizzard are doing here, 50 conq badges gives 275g? lol I guess I'll make my warrior prot again and farm the shit out of heroics between now and Cata and make a ton of gold? god knows how much triumph are going to give my warrior has about 140g I guess that's close to 600g for them? bollocks tbh, when you consider people raiding constantly have probably stacked up masses of emblems then they are walking away with thousands of gold, for what?
Triumph & Frost badges do not get converted to gold. They are each converted into Justice points (x2.75)
1. "ptr says 1100 JP for a T10 helmet. source should be trustful. this means the whole thing smells like ripoff to me because the helmet would cost 400 emblems then"

Did you honestly expect anything else from Blizzard? If you did you are either new to the game or have not been paying attention. Every time blizzard has converted something they have turned it into more of a grind.
Even if it is individually only a couple of minutes more you have to think like an accountant and times it by the total amount of subs. Nothing is done in this game anymore without the underlying thought being on how to increase subscription time even if it reduces the "fun" factor. Blizzard has been Koticked anyone who thinks otherwise is naive and doesn't understand corporate culture.
1. Originally Posted by Sparkymisslecat
People - think about it. Does it make ANY sense that I could stockpile /faceroll content for a few weeks right now and then cash it all in for level 85 gear?
Have you looked at the prices and the exchange rates? Even if you ran for many days straight before cataclysm, you'd barely get much of a head start...maybe you'd get one or two pieces.

No. Does it make any sense that I could convert old Alterac Valley tokens I collected 3 years ago to get ilvl300+ gear? No.
But, strangely, we were allowed to buy lvl264 gear with Alterac Valley tokens collected 3 years ago.
1. Well... it seems that triumph farming isn't worth it.

One question still stands : how many justice point you get from a hero boss ? from a raid instance boss (except ICC) ? and from a ICC boss ?
1. This is nice, I have tons of badges left from TBC and never really use the other ones unless I want to get a new BOA item for an alt.
1. Originally Posted by Recom
Well... it seems that triumph farming isn't worth it.

One question still stands : how many justice point you get from a hero boss ? from a raid instance boss (except ICC) ? and from a ICC boss ?
Be assured that you are gonna get more per boss after the patch than if you'd farm emblems now for conversion.

Common sense
1. Originally Posted by Mendol
I'm going to be a bit blunt here, but you guys don't seem terribly good with math.
I don't know what the Justice prices are going to be. My point was that stockpiling badges now wont allow you to buy anything good in Cata. If the price you quoted stands, then you are correct - it isn't worth it. It is better to buy the upgrades now.

However - for people who have a lot of Triumph badges, but dont have access to Frost badges, this is an opportunity for them to buy some Frost gear for leveling.
1. Originally Posted by Airath
Be assured that you are gonna get more per boss after the patch than if you'd farm emblems now for conversion.

Common sense
My thought exactly but i'd like to know how much to know if it'll be worth farm hero for the last T10 pieces I want.

Anyways I'll spend my remaining frost emblem right before this conversion ...
1. Originally Posted by Sparkymisslecat
Triumph & Frost badges do not get converted to gold. They are each converted into Justice points (x2.75)
If one preferred the gold, one could easily farm a bunch of heroics for triumph and downgrade them all at the badge trader to conquest/valor/hero before this change goes live.
1. Originally Posted by Wickedpissah
Has anyone actually noticed that the honor cap is effectively more than doubled now? 75000 old honor * .024 conversion rate = 1800 new honor. Since we can cap at 4000 now, that's a lot more effective honor we can store up.
We do not know if this is really true. Currently, a wrathful 264 ring for example costs 52200 HK - so the cap is about 1.44 rings of honor.

If the ring costs 3500 Honor Points then the cap is 1.14 rings and the honor cap has effectively been reduced.
If the ring costs 2000 Honor Points then the cap is 2.00 rings and the honor cap has effectively been increased.

What this means is that all the people who converted their old AB/AV/WG marks on day 1 made a mistake. using HK, you can start with at most 1800 HP; adding in marks, SK, etc can get you to 4000 HP
1. Venture Coins to Honer Points 4DWin!!

lol
1. Originally Posted by Naoto
Wow, what a retarded thing Blizzard are doing here, 50 conq badges gives 275g? lol I guess I'll make my warrior prot again and farm the shit out of heroics between now and Cata and make a ton of gold? god knows how much triumph are going to give my warrior has about 140g I guess that's close to 600g for them? bollocks tbh, when you consider people raiding constantly have probably stacked up masses of emblems then they are walking away with thousands of gold, for what?
You do realize that 50 badges today are worth well above 275g if turned in for gems, right?
1. Hah! I knew saving those Badges of Justice from endlessly farming Anzul would come in handy. Not to mention the spirit shards, that's a nice bonus, no matter how small.
1. Originally Posted by Algor
You do realize that 50 badges today are worth well above 275g if turned in for gems, right?
The price of uncut gems on many servers is already in ~50-70g range. 80-120g, if you have JC.
Thus 55g per 10 emblems without any messing with AH (hello there, heavy undercutting and high gem listing fee!) is a very nice bet.
1. Originally Posted by Mendol
The T10 helm (iLvL 251) costs 1100 justice points.

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If this is true, this is absolute crap (for those of us trying to pick up some frost gear, yes i know it will be replaced quickly, but still...) If Frost = Triumph, then we are getting screwed BIG TIME on the conversion. If frost were worth more than triumph i might be ok with this conversion. But as it stands, the tier 10 gear is getting ~4 times MORE EXPENSIVE. Really? What genius at blizzard thought this would be funny?

Tier 10 helm goes from 95 frost to 400 frost with this patch??? Regardless if triumph is easy to farm, frost just got devalued in a serious manner.

This is a big step backwards, every tier made the previous tier more accessible. So i am left scratching my head why this obsolete tier is becoming so much more expensive? Shouldn't it stay the same or get cheaper if anything?
1. A friend of mine was on vent yesterday and jumped onto the beta and gave me a running commentary on what she was seeing. I got her to check a few things out. Now, please point out if she was wrong, but according to my friend the current frost badge trinkets you can currently buy cost 300+ justice points. Yes, I know its beta and values aren't set in stone yet, but if that is the value conversion, I'm not wasting my time farming anything. I'd rather convert them to get a full Mail BoA leveling set for any alts that would use the gear.
1. So guys, just farm 39,045 emblems and you too can be at the gold cap come Cataclysm!
1. Originally Posted by Conbot

Tier 10 helm goes from 95 frost to 400 frost with this patch??? Regardless if triumph is easy to farm, frost just got devalued in a serious manner.
The implication is simple. ICC bosses will drop approx 4x more JP than you get from 2 frosts now.
Nothing much to worry about, it means nothing more than easy T10 for everyone's latest alts.