Update - Someone just pointed out that the EU site has been updated and now shows October 13th, it either means that the patch is postponed, or that it will be deployed one week later in Europe.

Patch 4.0.1 release date
We're very close to the release of Patch 4.0.1, at this point the only question is "How close?"

As far as I can tell, you can probably expect the patch on October 5th or October 12th. Ghostcrawler already suggested that the patch would be deployed right before the end of the arena season and added that "they shouldn't have a lasting impact on ratings, titles, and the like".
Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler (Blue Tracker)
Since the current PvP season will end when these changes go live, they shouldn't have a lasting impact on ratings, titles and the like. We are prepared to just drop a temporary player damage nerf on all BGs and Arenas if necessary just so things don't feel too silly until everyone can level up to 85.
Additionally, the World of Warcraft Trial Website has been updated and now announces that the new streaming client will be available on October 5th, which is exactly what we've been testing on 4.0.1 PTRs.

As usual, nothing is official, but it's probably close enough.

Heroic Deadmines Video
TotalBiscuit released a nice video preview of the Heroic version of the Deadmines, one of the two revamped classic dungeon of Cataclysm.

Currency Conversion - Calculator Update
The Cataclysm Currency and Honor Calculator has been updated with the latest values of Justice Points.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker)
We’ve revised the Justice Points conversion rate for Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost. When the upcoming 4.0.1 patch goes live, these emblems will be converted into 11.58 Justice Points (up from the previously planned 2.75 Justice Points per emblem). Justice Points accrued above the soft cap of 4,000 will be converted to gold at a rate of 47.5 silver per point (down from 2 gold per point) when patch 4.0.3 goes live.

The original explanation thread (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...Id=26850245012) and the subsequent conversion math update (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&pageNo=10#184) have been updated to reflect these changes.

[...] The previous conversion rate was intended to devalue Frost and Triumph a bit to discourage some amount of farming and hoarding of points before the conversion, but then we came to the conclusion that no matter what we do people would be farming well above the softcap, and we shouldn't try to make it more difficult for them to do so.

Emblems and Badges

Honor points!

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

No Worgens and Goblins before Cataclysm
Worgen and goblins require the activation of a Cataclysm key and will not be available in patch 4.0.3 until Cataclysm launches. (Source)

Patch 4.0.1 and 4.0.3
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. These aren't filler patches we developed to tide players over. Patch 4.0.1 will implement nearly all systems changes necessary for Cataclysm (including class and UI changes). We've done this before every expansion to lay down the framework. Patch 4.0.3 brings about the Cataclysm, forever changing Azeroth.

This has always been the plan for Cataclysm, as we've never released an expansion quite like this one before. On the one hand, this expansion offers another increased level cap with all-new leveling and end-game content. On the other hand, this expansion is virtually rebuilding the content of the entire original game from the ground up.

Again, patches 4.0.1 and 4.0.3 are not offering filler content. These patches are to implement all of the new content and systems which do not require the purchase of Cataclysm. (Source)

Why was threat decay scrapped?
We still like the idea and it might return someday.

We scrapped it because we didn't think it was necessary and we wanted to focus on things we thought were necessary. We ended up changing threat modifiers quite a bit and getting rid of a lot of the threat management talents. Furthermore, Vengeance is keeping tank dps up pretty well in beta tests -- often 75% or higher of dps. Finally, it was causing a lot of concern among tanks. The intent was to make threat generation more engaging, ultimately to make tanking more fun. But I think we ended up changing so many aspects of tanking (large health pools so avoidance matters more, less AE tanking, mana mattering more, Vengeance, etc.) that changing threat on top of all of that just seemed to some* tanks to be that final straw that made Cataclysm tanking feel totally unfamiliar to them.

* -- This kind of thing is always subjective. We didn't poll every tank; nor would we put a lot of weight on that anyway. Instead, we read a lot of forums and talked to a lot of tanks we knew to gauge whether this was something they were excited about or not. We know there are tanks that hated the idea and those that will be sad to see it go, as is the case with almost any design change. I offer all of that footnote just to try and stave off some of the inevitable threads that will launch from this one. "Healers don't like running out of mana -- remove that. Warriors don't like rage normalization -- remove that." We welcome your opinions on all of those things, but encourage you not to search for the magic switch that will get us to change out minds in areas where we disagree. (Source)

Paladin/Warrior mastery undertuned?

Increasing the value per point of mastery for paladins or warriors is not hard to do. Likewise, we might shift more of the warrior mastery between block and critical block because of the value of Shield Block.

I'm also not sure we're that worried about paladins (or anyone) blocking, dodging or parrying every hit. That isn't the game breaking scenario that it used to be. If in later tiers of gear you manage to do it, probably by giving up on other stats, I'm not sure it's a huge danger. Sixty percent of damage is still a lot and none of those stats help with magic damage. In a world where two back to back normal hits could kill you, it would be a lot more valuable. In Cataclysm, it might just translate to healer mana savings. We'll keep an eye on it of course.

We did change parry to scale from Strength. (Source)

Fan Art
The Official Fan Art Gallery has been updated with a piece entitled: Pally Tank!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.0.1 release date, Heroic Deadmines, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 138 Comments
  1. TheMobGoblin's Avatar
    For you all saying Decembers a bad month wtf? Most people are on vacation or have extra days off why would it be bad?
    I have 2 weeks off from work in December and only 1 or 2 of those days will be dealing with relatives.If it release in January I'm not even going to bother.Here's to hoping it comes in November.
  1. Daelos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by reve View Post
    Does 4.0.1 currently hold the same class changes as current beta patch? I am not in beta nor on PTR but when I am bored I sometimes watch xfire streams and I usually see some weird things..

    By that I mean 5man heroic run, where in single target boss fight 2 DPSers have each 5 - 8k DPS and then a hunter that has Survival talents (judging by explosive shot being on his bar), rotation: spam Arcane shot, when you dont have enough focus for it, spam Cobra shot. And he is doing 16 - 20k DPS with it.

    I mean is this going on live realms? I literally never see people doing over 10k in these fights, except for hunters, so I bealive it is intended to do something like 8k DPS at 85 in blue gear. Except for hunters .

    Now I am not complaining nor crying over it, I actually play my hunter quite a lot because we have 2 new healers on trial before cata so I can go with my alt (that being hunter).

    And this is nothing I have seen a month ago, I actually saw it yesterday afternoon.
    Huh? You're doing that dps right now
  1. Limpy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by taybox View Post

    so if i farm a ton of triumph badges on an alt, since the triumph conversion = frost conversion, that means i could buy a set of full t10 on an alt, from my triumph conversion to justice points???

    Yes and No. You will get JP from heroics and you will be able to buy T10 from it. But you can't buy all T10 with 4000 JP.
  1. Jokerjesus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by deplorable View Post
    you thought they'd have let the worgen and goblin be able to be played to those with Wrath and TBC as a sign of good faith (or what accountants, ironically, call "goodwill"), if you don't buy the expansion you can no longer play them [those characters] when it launches.

    if you do, you can just carry on.

    or that could just be slight... impatience on my part

    come on 4.0.1
    The only good will they will give us is the ability to race change to the new races as soon as the expansion is released but forfeiting the world first of those races.
  1. seventhsin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Limpy View Post
    Yes and No. You will get JP from heroics and you will be able to buy T10 from it. But you can't buy all T10 with 4000 JP.
    The 4000 JP hard cap won't go into effect until 4.0.3. So if the conversion ends up giving you 6k when 4.0.1 goes live you can actually buy all you T10 without farming.
  1. DragonDude's Avatar
    can anyone confirm if they removing the achievements such as "herald of titan" " immortal" "seeker" in this patch or is it 4.3? coz i m sooo close to get seeker ... and lore master , also one or 2 achievements off conquerer of ulduar and meta ( i switched main so dont got on new one >.< ) ,also was planing to get immortal on this char before its removed .

    so if anyone happen to know ( busy questing so cant really spend too much time looking at all forums etc for it sorry :< )


    ---------- Post added 2010-09-30 at 01:47 PM ----------

    are titles being removed in patch 4.1 or 4.3 ? ( the one mentioned )
  1. lunaspike's Avatar
    If this goes live harry potter cleave will just be it. There will be no way to compete.
  1. emunah's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuchaleft View Post
    New Race/Class combinations: Blood Elf (Warrior), Dwarf (Shaman, Mage, Warlock), Gnome (Priest), Humans (Hunter), Night Elf (Mage), Orc (Mage), Tauren (Paladin, Priest), Troll (Druid, Warlock), Undead (Hunter); will not be available before launch.
    Patch 4.0.3: The Shattering Shortly before Cataclysm launches, Azeroth as you know it will be changed forever. Patch 4.0.3 will bring with it cataclysmic changes to the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. Players will be able to find new and exciting sights to see and quests to do in the level 1-60 zones, all-new troll and gnome introductory experiences, redesigned capital cities, new race/class combinations, and more!

    just an fyi......
  1. Dawnseven's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by seventhsin View Post
    WoW players will buy the expansion whether it's this year or next so that's not really a valid point.

    If Cata comes out 11/2 or 11/16 or 11/23 or 12/7 or 12/14 or 12/21 or 12/28 or not until January, I'm getting it. The players have waited soooo long. I can't be in the minority. I think the vast majority will get it no matter when it comes. Fortunately for Blizzard, I don't think they have to worry so much about the issue of "timing".
  1. Nzo's Avatar
    haha captain cookie, that was epic, and that event after looked epic also to bad TB failed it the first time around
  1. TheMobGoblin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseven View Post

    If Cata comes out 11/2 or 11/16 or 11/23 or 12/7 or 12/14 or 12/21 or 12/28 or not until January, I'm getting it. The players have waited soooo long. I can't be in the minority. I think the vast majority will get it no matter when it comes. Fortunately for Blizzard, I don't think they have to worry so much about the issue of "timing".
    Speak for yourselves If it's not out by early December I'm not even going to bother .I'll be getting ready for SWTOR.
    I'll just play some of the console games that come out over the holidays not going to waste money playing the same shit for almost a year now.We got ICC last December and that was the last major patch sure we're getting new spells and stuff next week but we get to do what with them OMG! ICC =O /dance ..... F that!That's why Blizzard pulls this shit cause there's to many ass kissers.

    You could say about the new bosses or rather 1 new boss and 3 redone ones.That will be fun for about a week maybe..More recycled bullshit.
  1. Bluespirit's Avatar
    The patch just isn't ready yet, the ptr is a shit show right now.
  1. ComputerNerd's Avatar
    If the PTR and from what I hear the beta is anything to go by, then this is a case of "Too soon Blizzard, too soon ... ".
  1. Raupe's Avatar

    is now different;; was the same before
  1. Xaijul's Avatar
    I'm still getting the game no matter when it comes out, I just hope it's sooner rather than later.
  1. LordKain's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMobGoblin View Post
    QQ, QQ and more QQ
    I hope it's delayed until late December so you can suckup your lame threat and still purchase Cata.

    Oh and I'll also be playing SWTOR when it comes out as well....imagine that!
  1. rushm0r3's Avatar
    For what it's worth, I got this update from Amazon today:

    "World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Collector's Edition"
    Estimated arrival date: January 06 2011 - January 10 2011
  1. thebuzzard's Avatar
    People keep posting amazons guesses, they mean no more than ours.
  1. Stormgnoef's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by winzi View Post
    Good for you. btw.. 4/5 "already" isn't exactly fast considering that ICC been out for a good 10 months. Most people have been gearing their alts in atleast ilvl251 t10 several months ago.
    And?Still got only like 20 min played everyday maxx since there is nothing to do atm and icc is dead boring.
  1. Zobiana's Avatar
    October 5 should make my husband happy... It'll be his birthday

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