Level 85 and Raid ranking, Cataclysm Hotfixes, Blue Posts

Cataclysm LVL 85 and Raid Progression
I didn't cover the US and EU first level 85 characters when they happened 2 days ago, this is mostly because leveling in Cataclysm is fairly easy and the ranking mostly depended on what realms went up first.

However, it's pretty clear that now that we have near-final rankings for US and EU realms (thanks to WoWProgress), one character leveled much faster than the others: Forscience played by the lovely Athene. He posted a short video to explain how he did it, see below.


The rest of the rankings is available below, I'm not going to say world first or anything because I know people will hate me, I'll just let you discuss it in comments.

Level 85 EU Ranking

RankCharacterGuildRealmLevel 85
1ForsciencetutututEU-Neptulon2010-12-07 05:13
2OwldMethodEU-Xavius2010-12-07 07:34
3Janzeer (u)RebirthEU-Anachronos2010-12-07 07:36
4LivedililiUtopieEU-Blackrock2010-12-07 08:19
5Danoreyunfinished taleEU-Theradras2010-12-07 08:28
6MiranahInner SanctumEU-Silvermoon2010-12-07 08:32
7Côhenunfinished taleEU-Theradras2010-12-07 08:33
8Жуктащит EU-Гордунни2010-12-07 08:37
9HyuruSlashFlexEU-Agamaggan2010-12-07 08:39
10SejtaParagonEU-Lightning's Blade2010-12-07 08:43
10Lazeil (u)ParagonEU-Lightning's Blade2010-12-07 08:43


Level 85 US Ranking

RankCharacterGuildRealmLevel 85
1ZomgblitrateRelicDoomhammer2010-12-07 18:14
2Iapeto (u)Tasty BeverageBleeding Hollow2010-12-07 18:15
3NegivaForlorn LegacyWindrunner2010-12-07 18:24
4EdjyLegendsUndermine2010-12-07 18:28
5AdamvodkaAlterac Mountains2010-12-07 18:32
5KevinvodkaAlterac Mountains2010-12-07 18:32
7ColdwindResurgenceKilrogg2010-12-07 18:33
8FortuneModestKilrogg2010-12-07 18:36
9IcebearxBad News BearsDestromath2010-12-07 18:40
10RunModestKilrogg2010-12-07 18:43


Current raid ranking

RankGuildRealmProgressCriteria
1Paragon (r)EU-Lightning's Blade8/12119.88
2Wraith (r)EU-Sargeras7/12104.76
3vodka (r)US-Alterac Mountains7/12104.33
4Premonition (r)US-Sen'Jin7/12104.33
5Inner Sanctum (r)EU-Silvermoon6/1289.78
6Ensidia (r)EU-Tarren Mill6/1289.76
7Карфаген (r)EU-Пиратская Бухта6/1289.59
8noxa (r)EU-Arygos6/1289.54



Cataclysm Hotfixes - Updated Dec. 8
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to the release of patch 4.0.3a and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm. While many have already been deployed on all realms, some may not be implemented until the next time your realm is restarted. We will continue to update this thread in the days ahead as additional hotfixes are applied.

December 8
General
  • Guilds no longer receive guild experience when earning guild achievements. You can read more about this on our forums.
  • If a guild maxed their experience gains for the day, subsequent tallying of individual members’ weekly and total experience gained was not always properly being saved and stored. This has been corrected.
  • The achievements Heroic: Lost City of the Tol'vir Guild Run, Heroic: Shadowfang Keep Guild Run, and Baradin Hold Guild Run are now properly awarded and show up in the Guild Achievement window.
  • Corla will now always drop an item and the Red Winter Hat does not replace her regular loot drop. It's because she cares.
  • Specific mounts, when used in Eastern Kingdoms, were not receiving the appropriate movement speed modifiers between land and ground. This has been corrected.
  • Players can enter and finish Wintergrasp or Tol Barad even if no players from the opposing faction are queued.
  • Players are now able to acquire "A Winter Veil Gift" for 2010 if they had completed "A Winter Veil Gift" in 2009.
Dungeons & Raids
  • Several items which drop from bosses in Cataclysm five-player dungeons have been correctly reclassified so that the intended classes can roll Need when in a Looking For Dungeon group.
  • Rock Borers no longer award reputation when killed in The Stonecore.
  • Evolved Twilight Zealots killed by Raz in Blackrock Caverns no longer award experience if tapped by players.
  • Players are again provided a spectral flying mount while in spirit form if killed in Ahn'Qiraj: The Fallen Temple.
  • The Tamed Tol'vir Prowlers in Lost City of the Tol'vir award much less experience when killed.
  • Players can now use Wind Tunnels while in combat, returning them to Siamat's platform in Lost City of the Tol'vir.
  • Deep Murloc Drudges in Throne of the Tides no longer grant experience when killed.
Items
  • Players are no longer able to refund an alternate-cost item if they level up during its refund timer.
  • Stormrider's Cover was requiring an incorrect class token to purchase from vendors. This has been fixed. Until a patch is applied, the Stormrider's Cover will still list a Crown of the Forlorn Protector being a required currency, however, it can be correctly purchased with a Crown of the Forlorn Vanquisher.
  • The Filet Knife quest reward from "Something Edible" in Vashj'ir is a caster weapon and now has spell power. So sensible!
  • The on-use effect from Tosselwrench's Shrinker is no longer counting as an elixir buff. Additionally, no extra ranged attack power or other stats are granted.
  • Eastern Plaguelands quest reward trinkets no longer have on-use effects that grant ranged attack power.
Professions
  • Fishing skill gains were increasing too rapidly past 500 skill and have been adjusted.
  • The tradeskill nodes were too dense in Deepholm and Twilight Highlands for Mining and Herbalism. Several have been removed.
  • Mining nodes were too dense in the entrance cave to Uldaman and have been thinned out.
  • Players are no longer able to use a Lifegiving Seed while shapeshifted and receive the appropriate error message when attempting to do so. Additionally, the effect is canceled when entering combat.
  • Enchant Weapon - Mending no longer gives haste when it procs on attacks or spells. Now, it just gives the proper heal.
  • Creating a Runescroll of Fortitude II now correctly grants skill-ups.
Quests & Creatures
  • All existing guard posts in the world (e.g. Goldshire, Azure Watch, Bloodhoof, etc.) now properly spawn level 85 capital city guards.
  • Quests for the Hydraxian Waterlords have been properly deprecated.
Cataclysm Zones
Deepholm
  • Players no longer receive experience from killing Mercurial Droplets.
  • Deepstone Elementals now spawn more quickly.
  • Captive Quartz Rocklings in Lorthuna's Gate now respawn more quickly.
  • Players now receive much less experience when killing Irestone Rumblers.
  • Players no longer have issues with camera direction while trying to attack Zoltrik Drakebane after having jumped onto his Pyremaw mount on the quest "The Twilight Flight".
  • Stone Trogg Berserkers now do less damage.
Gilneas
  • There are now more Rampaging Worgen in the introductory worgen questing experience to support large groups of questing players.
  • Worgen characters must now complete "Endgame" for Admiral Nightwind to gain the option to port to Rut'theran Village.
  • Liam has been given lessons in anger management and team work. He will now properly stay with his soldiers during "The Battle for Gilneas City" event.
Kezan
  • Both the Rope Ladder and Last Chance Yacht Boarding Mortar objects will now sparkle while on the quest "Life Savings". Now with more sparkles!
Mount Hyjal
  • Players in a party on the quest "Black Heart of Flame” are all now able to loot the Black Heart of Thol'embaar after killing Thol’embaar, because it's only fair.
  • Blazebound Elementals no longer reward experience when Flameseer's Staff is used on them.
  • Players will now receive the error message "You are in the wrong zone" when trying to use Spawn of Smolderos outside of Mount Hyjal.
  • Twilight Flamecallers and Twilight Overseers now respawn more quickly.
  • Players no longer get attacked by guards when landing in Nordrassil with a hostile player targeted. It was a rather rude introduction to Mount Hyjal really.
  • Twilight Stormwakers now respawn more quickly for the quest "Slash and Burn".
  • Flame Ascendants needed for the quest "Might of the Firelord" now respawn more quickly.
Twilight Highlands
  • Blackscale Mistresses and Blackscale Raiders in Twilight Highlands now spawn less frequently and award less experience per kill.
  • Targets killable by turret vehicles for the quest "Off The Wall" no longer grant experience.
  • Twilight Abductors and Twilight Flamequenchers at Vermillion Redoubt no longer grant experience or provide loot.
  • Subjugated Firestarters no longer grant experience or provide loot.
Uldum
  • Players can no longer get stuck in a phase after watching the cutscene that triggers upon completion of quests "Missing Pieces" and "Reduced Productivity".
  • Bloodsnarl Scavengers killed by players with the aid of Salhet's Lions during the quest "Salhet the Tactician" will not provide experience. If you want something done, sometimes you just have to do it yourself.
  • Creatures in Neferset City needed for the quest "Bleeding the Enemy" now respawn more quickly.
  • Players will now correctly switch phases after turning in the quest "Gobbles!"
Vashj'ir
  • Players will now be in the correct phase with Wavespeaker Valoren after completing the quest "Communing with the Ancient". Seeing ghost question marks on the mini-map is no fun for anyone.
  • The Deepfin Scrounger Anchor Attack! now only roots players for 5 seconds, down from 20 seconds.
  • The damage of the Devious Great-Eel is now correctly reduced if a player does not immediately engage the eel in combat after the Eel-Splosive Device is triggered while on the quest "Here Fishie Fishie 2: Eel-Egg-Trick Boogaloo" (Horde) or "The Brothers Digsong 2: Eel-Egg-Trick Boogaloo" (Alliance).
  • Smuggler's Scar now has two guard posts, up from one, and Deepmist Grotto has one guard post, up from none. In addition, Cavern Crawlers are now immune to crowd control effects. Even ganking should have its limits.
  • Players are no longer able to retain the 450% swim speed increase from the Abyssal Seahorse through devious, devious means.
  • Earthmender Duarn's yell is now only visible to the player interacting with him for the quest "Making Contact".
  • Overseer Idra'kess's yell can now only be seen if a player is within range of him.
  • The following creatures or objects in Vashj'ir now respawn more quickly: Conch Shell, Starfish, Stormind Helmet, Stormwind Spear, King Gurboggle, Fathom-Lord Zin'Jatar, Warden Azjakir, Akasha, Varkul the Unrelenting.
  • Elendri Goldenbrow is no longer offering a conflicting deprecated quest "Curious Distraction".
  • There were instances where Duarn and Erunak weren't always spawning in the event for the quest "Nespirah" which have been fixed.
  • Players of the opposite faction can no longer kill the lures for the Seahorses. It's just mean and wrong. And mean.
  • Private Pollard no longer has a duplicate personality when players complete the quest "Spelunking", and Gorruk is correctly sitting after being healed.
  • Horde players are now gaining the appropriate reputations when completing quests in Vashj'ir.
  • The Earthen Ring quests in Vashj'ir now correctly grant reputation with The Earthen Ring.
  • Ancient Conduits for the quest "Ascend No More!" now respawn more quickly.
  • The cutscene which leads players to the submarine upon speaking with Erunak for the quest "Defending the Rift" should no longer sometimes drop players out of phase.
  • Nespirah Abscesses needed for the quest "Body Blows" now have more spawn locations and respawn more quickly.
  • The Corroded Key that is obtained during the quest "Kliklak's Craw" is now a multi-drop item and can be looted my multiple members of a party. And there was much rejoicing.
Eastern Kingdoms
  • High Sorcerer Andromath is no longer offering the deprecated quest "Ur's Treatise on Shadow Magic" in Redridge Mountains.
  • The deprecated quest "Mor'zul Bloodbringer" in Burning Steppes is no longer offered to Horde or Alliance warlock characters.
Kalimdor
  • Horde players can now turn in the quest "Forged Documents" to Suja in the cooking hut in Orgrimmar.
  • Azshara quests now yield Bilgewater Reputation as intended.
  • Kranal Fiss no longer offers the deprecated quest "Call of Fire" in Northern Barrens.
  • Warlocks will now receive an "Immune" error when casting Enslave Demon on Impsy in Felwood.
  • "Nothing Left for You Here" can now still be completed if the player has already completed "My Time Has Passed" in Stonetalon Mountains.
  • "We're Here to Do One Thing, Maybe Two..." can now be completed by simply going to Saurboz in Stonetalon Mountains and is not affected by the wagon.
Outland
  • Sha'tar Vindicators are level 65 now, down from 85, and no longer tearing through Auchenai Doomsayers in Terokkar Forest needed for the quest "Evil Draws Near".

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Running Wild
Running Wild behaves essentially like a mount, and, while cosmetically different, it carries the same limitations. I don't think further improvements to the ability are currently on the table.

Guild Level 2
Level 2 is possible.

The cap unlocks every night around 3am. The game released at midnight on Monday, giving guilds approximately three hours to hit cap, which many bigger or more active guilds were able to. So effectively this is Day 3 on the guild progression calendar, even though the first day was only three hours long. (Source)

Any chance we'll see new servers anytime soon?
We'll continue evaluating overall population as we monitor how these transfers progress. My personal guess is no, not before the new year, but that's a complete guess. We'll see how these go. (Source)

US - Free Character Moves Available
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm is live and many players are coming back to the game, while others are just really pumped to get in and experience the new content. To address the population influx, we're providing some players with Free Character Moves. If you're on one of the source realms listed below, you can move your characters to the designated destination realm and avoid the queues -- for free!

By initiating one of these transfers you will be moving your character to a new realm and home. This is a one-time, one-way move. You will need to use the paid transfer service to move your character elsewhere.

Please be aware that due to the unpredictable nature of free transfers we may close down any Free Character Moves at any time and without warning if the target realm becomes full. If you plan to move with friends or your guild, we suggest that you coordinate the effort to reduce the chance of any stragglers being left behind.

Early closures aside, the Free Character Moves will end on December 22.

Begin a Free Character Move - Please refer to the FAQ, which details what is or isn't allowed for transferred characters.

Source A - Area 52, Zul'jin, Stormrage, Thrall
Destination A - Dentarg

Source B - Khaz'goroth
Destination B - Caelestrasz

Source C - Proudmoore
Destination C - Darrowmere

Source D - Illidan, Sargeras, Mal'Ganis, Stormreaver, Korgath
Destination D - Gul'dan, Hakkar

Source E - Kel'Thuzad, Arthas, Mannoroth, Warsong, Bleeding Hollow
Destination E - Anub'arak, Anetheron

Source F - Frostmourne, Barthilas, Jubei'Thos
Destination F - Gundrak

Source G - Kil'jaeden, Blackrock, Tichondrius
Destination G - Nazjatar

Source H - Moon Guard
Destination H - Farstriders

Source I - Earthen Ring
Destination I - Steamwheedle Cartel

Source J - Emerald Dream
Destination J - Maelstrom

Official Forums - Character Image FAQ
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
As many of you have already discovered, one of the focal points of the new World of Warcraft community site is, well...you! Not only do you have a variety of controls at your fingertips, but you're now represented by unique 3D renders of your in-game characters. These new character images will appear in your Armory profile, in the character card once you're logged in, and whenever you post a comment or reply.

A number of players have been asking for more information about these 3D renders, so we've put together an FAQ to explain how they work and how they're created.

Q. How are the character images featured on the new community site generated?
A. We created an image rendering platform (which we'll refer to as a static renderer) that uses game data to render 3D images of your character.

Q. How many images are rendered for a given character?
A. We currently render four different images:
  • An Armory profile image
  • An Armory inset image
  • An avatar image
  • And a character card image

Q. When are these images rendered?
A. Whenever a character logs out of the game, a request is automatically sent to the static renderer for a new set of website images. These requests are processed in the order they are received and will typically be completed within 3 to 5 minutes. During peak gaming hours, however, when character populations can change rapidly, it may take longer for your character images to update and appear on the community site.

Q. Why doesn’t my character show the same pose that I have set for the old Armory?
A. Currently, we're only rendering characters in preset poses. Following the final launch of the Armory, though, we're considering allowing characters to set positions and animations through Adobe® Flash® or a similar site component. We'll provide more information as the development process continues.

Q. Why are my item enchant effects not displaying?
A. The image rendering platform does not currently support particle effects, so this may cause some minor inconsistencies between how your character appears in-game and on the community site -- including the display of item enchant effects.

Q. My avatar is just a plain silhouette? What gives?
A. If your character avatar is displaying as a generic silhouette, this typically means one of two things:
  • Your selected character is under level 10.
  • You have not recently played the selected character.

If your character is above level 9, be sure to log into the character and then back out. This should queue a request for the static renderer and allow your character images to update appropriately.

Q. Okay. I logged into my character and then back out, but neither my profile image nor my avatar has updated. What now?
A. If you logged out during peak gaming hours, keep in mind that it may take a while for your new image to render. Check back in few hours and your character images should be refreshed.

Q. What if I want to use a bank alt or some other character that isn't level 10 yet? Am I stuck with the silhouette?
A. If a character is under level 10, it will only receive a default silhouette avatar to be used on the forums as well as in page comments. Consider this a motivation to level that character, or an opportunity to remain dark and mysterious.

Q. Why does my death knight have a silhouette of a human? My death knight isn't human.
A. Typically, default silhouettes are based off of race, not class. Death knights are a special case, however, as we provide their avatars a custom class background. Because of this, until an image is rendered for a death knight, the death knight silhouette will default to human.

Q. What if I want a special pose, item, or background to appear in my character's image. Is that possible?
A. We're unable facilitate one-off requests or custom renders. You can still customize how your character appears on the community site by using things like holiday items and lower-level quest rewards, however. Get creative -- you may be surprised at the results!

Q. What if there appears to be something wrong with my character images?
A. If you believe you've encountered a possible issue with the website, you can submit a report in the Website Bug Report forum. Before posting, though, we ask that you please use the integrated search function located in the upper right-hand corner of the screen to check to see if your issue has already been reported by another player.

Q. Where I can leave feedback?
A. If you would like to provide feedback on the website or recommend additional features and/or functionality, please visit the Website Features Request forum. Thanks!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Level 85 and Raid ranking, Cataclysm Hotfixes, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
Published on 2010-12-09 10:28 AM
109 Comments
Comments 108 Comments
  1. bals's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dwbrown7680 View Post
    Good to see that the whole "Cata sucks and is way too easy omg Blizzard give us Wotlk back" is starting up. How is anyone surprised at this point that the top guilds in the world have 2/3rds of the raid content cleared on normal? These are the best of the best and they've been drawing up strats and practicing for awhile now. Before you all say Cata sucks and is too easy/shot/etc why don't you tell me how far you've progressed into normal or heroic raids so far? Not at all? What a shock. Go play your game and quit whining. Also, Athene very much just seems like a dude trying to grasp desperately for attention most of the time.
    not whining, wasn't saying wotlk was more difficult.

    talking about tbc

    also umad?
  1. thewallofsleep's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by bals View Post
    kinda sad to see so many guilds 6+/12 in two days.

    thought cataclysm was supposed to be more difficult?
    unless you see your guild on that list I wouldn't worry about it. That list is made up of the hardest of the hardcore guilds in the WORLD. I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of each guild was on the Beta, and had plenty of first hand experience with the raid prior to launch. It'll be a while before average joe's (and jill's...) like ourselves have those first 6+ bosses down and on farm.
  1. thedarkone's Avatar
    Ok, so now Athene having conquered WoW, is going on to the lesser task of discovering the truth about God and theology with a "documentary" ...erm yeah. Pretentious pricks much?
  1. Strakha's Avatar
    Looking forward to watching the documentary he is doing, funny to read all the negative comments about Athene, not hard to understand the motivation behind them
  1. Aries56's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Define legit. I would really like to know what "legit" means to you.
    Legit as in NOT using an exploit.
  1. Strakha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aries56 View Post
    Legit as in NOT using an exploit.
    Not an exploit if Blizzard says it's not, deal with it.
  1. SinR's Avatar
    lemme sum up Athene's video for you guys


    "I Got 40 other people together that take turns sucking my cock and they killed stuff that I tagged."
  1. nachogod's Avatar
    I don't understand why we pay attention to people who leveled the fastest, but I guess I'm just not a very competitive person for this kind of thing.

    MMO-Champ needs a link to the We Didn't Start the Fire "lip syncing" video. That's far more interesting to most people I would guess.
  1. Arctimon's Avatar
    In a month, we're not going to remember any of this, just like we're not going to remember who got server firsts in WotLK. So why are people worrying about this?

    Athene (or whoever the freak he is) has the right to personify whatever he wants, but someone who has an act that portrays themselves as a idiot and a jerk is just as bad as someone who is actually a jerk.

    Do I think what he did was exploiting? No. Was it fishy? Heck yes. But if he wants to be this gung-ho persona...thing...and "work" so hard to get virtual achievements that don't mean anything, that's his prerogative.

    Just my two cents.
  1. Konics's Avatar
    I honestly can't believe how stupid people are to think in any of athenes previous videos of him in character he was acutally being serious.....athene was a fictional character he made up.....even though he had always played WoW and was a top pvper his videos were a joke. the real 'athene' is in this video. I guess thats what part of it made all his videos so funny and great for me....he trolled soo many people so hard....actually I'm still not sure if this whole science thing is a joke or not.

    I also think its funny how many people are butt hurt. He did something noone else could, and it wasnt even close. Get over it. You don't think some top guilds couldnt have got 20+ people helping with mob tagging to get world first? You dont think top guilds wanted world first? Hah...trust me they did.
  1. rknDA1337's Avatar
    What's it take to show up on http://www.wowprogress.com/char_level/ ? I dinged at 12:42ish CET and I can't find myself =C
  1. chard's Avatar
    I am by no means an Athene hater, but i dont lick his "sword" either. And i see allot of people on here who would gladly go down on Athene given the chance.

    Sorry but i just dont see what is so fantastic about someone legally abusing mechanics to get a "FIRST!!!!1". Plus as Boub has said (i think) leveling to 85 is so easy and with the EU servers having such a huge lead time over US it means nothing.
  1. SinR's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by chard View Post
    I am by no means an Athene hater, but i dont lick his "sword" either. And i see allot of people on here who would gladly go down on Athene given the chance.
    That's the problem. People think that cause they helped him cheat his way to 85 that they'll be immortalized by him.


    Reality, however, is that they're just another man in a 40man raid helping another attention whore get "OMG WORLD FIRSTS"


    Lets put this into perspective:
    Yeah, that girl dated Bill Clinton before be was a politician and the President. That girl probably went down on him too. Does he remember her? NO.
    Yeah, that guy helped Athene get his 15 minutes of fame. That guy would go down on Athene if given the chance. Will Athene remember him? NO.




    Also, people seriously need to get off his dick. He's just some attention whore. Give him an inch of attention and he'll take it for a mile.
  1. Elzix's Avatar
    I have no clue if this has been said here but i just saw the following on WOW armory:

    Forscience: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81
    He doesnt have the realm first 85 achievement and then ofc not the realm first pala achievement

    Instead:

    Fibsii does have both:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81

    little strange not?
  1. manniefaces's Avatar
    What a freaking joke. Blizzard needs to remove this sort of achievement permanently.
  1. Bogrim's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elzix View Post
    I have no clue if this has been said here but i just saw the following on WOW armory:

    Forscience: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81
    He doesnt have the realm first 85 achievement and then ofc not the realm first pala achievement

    Instead:

    Fibsii does have both:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81

    little strange not?
    Hahahahahahahaha

    This is what makes Athene an untalented celebrity that's just desperate for attention.

    Please never again post any of his crap on the front page. Save it for the drama mamma's.
  1. cherb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elzix View Post
    I have no clue if this has been said here but i just saw the following on WOW armory:

    Forscience: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81
    He doesnt have the realm first 85 achievement and then ofc not the realm first pala achievement

    Instead:

    Fibsii does have both:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81

    little strange not?
    I'm pretty sure that he transferred to that server not long before Cata released, making him ineligible for the realm first achievements for 60 days.
  1. Lemons's Avatar
    Hmmm, I always thought Athene was a joke...like some guy doing a parody of an extremely cocky paladin player. Gotta hand it to him tho, he knows how to level.
  1. cr24's Avatar
    Blizz needs to hire some beta testers for raid. This whole WF thing means nothing. Blizz gave you nearly BiS and let you practice over and over and over and over and over again to fine tune the encounter. Sure they have skill but is that to say there are other people that don't? Throw them an encounter they've never seen and I bet you see dozens of guilds vying for world firsts instead of 3 or 4. You already know the outcomes it's stupid. Paragon will get WF/Euro First and Premo will get US first. Because they have advanced knowledge, their world first means nothing to me at least. The only reason they didn't clear the encounter is because they were in ilvl 346 and 333 stuff instead of epics. It's gonna be funny to see them smash their heads up against a wall trying to do heroics that their current level of gear won't allow next week.
  1. mmoc6f1089a4b9's Avatar
    YAWN. Guy plays WoW too much, tries to justify it with science and 'characters'. YAWN.
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