Patch 4.0.6 Justice and Honor Trade Goods Vendors
Patch 4.0.6 introduces 2 new vendors to the game, the Honor and Justice Trade Goods vendors! They can be found next to the other Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price.

Please note that some of these items are stacks of items so pay attention to the quantity on the icon! The Satchel of Freshly-Picked Herbs contains a selection of 20 random Cataclysm Herbs.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Lady Sinestra First Kill (and bugs)
I do think you have to take the tone of that post in the context in which it was written. Because Sinestra is a super-hardcore boss, they were pretty much the first ones to really push her mechanics to the limits. It's easy to see from their post that they were understandably frustrated. Not only were they trying to learn the mechanics and develop strategies, but we were watching closely, hotfixing several different issues as they stumbled across them. This meant they had to adapt to the changes we were making on the spot in addition to figuring out how to kill her -- and she's definitely no pushover.

We do wish it would have been a cleaner fight for them, but we really appreciate them pushing the limits of hardcore raiding, and testing us to design new and compelling challenges. (Source)

Dungeon Difficulty and Ghostcrawler's Blog - Wow, Dungeons are Hard!
I know you're probably frustrated by any number of issues Ghostcrawler tackled in his blog. We completely get that, which was the entire point of his post. We're not telling players it's our way or the highway. We're not burying our heads in the sand and letting you figure it out. He took a lot of his own time to try and provide some insight and positive reinforcement, admit some design mistakes we've made in Cataclysm, and let you know (most importantly) that we hear you.

We also have to recognize that there is a harsh debate within the community right now about the difficulty level. Players are flinging mud at one another and saying "learn to play", or "go grind in some other hardcore MMO". People aren't in agreement about these things and need to tone down the rhetoric (which Ghostcrawler addresses eloquently in his blog).

We're not going to join that debate, though we are players too. The best we can do right now -- as I think Ghostcrawler noted well -- is keep the dialog open and encourage constructive criticism, and even positive feedback. Hearing both what players like and don't like about select aspects of gameplay is useful to us.

The entire reason behind him writing that blog sprung from us sending him a particular thread (amongst many other we've been sending him since the launch of Cataclysm) that had him really concerned: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1660221627

He wants to see the tone of the debate changed so we can work together to make this a better game, so it's really unfortunate when you post as though he's throwing the naughty finger in your face. His post was not written from a place of hubris. Those who would take it that way probably just fundamentally disagree with the current design philosophy. But only two things are true in this case: 1) we will never please everyone with our design, and 2) we will never stop listening to our players.

In any event, I appreciate you taking the time to post. I just hope you can keep an open mind and a thoughtful dialog with us, as simply sharing with us how you perceive Ghostcrawler's attitude to be won't move game design anywhere. That's just the reality of it all. (Source)

Removing guild reputation requirements for officers
Sounds great, here's how that would work out: I have an awesome end-game progression guild. We're level 25. You give me 20k gold, I send you an invite and promote you to the highest officer rank. You buy whatever rewards you want, and then leave.

This is not the intent of the system. (Source)
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Comments 322 Comments
  1. mmoca572945696's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    The Honor Commodities and Justice Commodities Vendors now sell raw tradeskill materials. These are not intended to be a cost-effective source of these materials, but an option for players with lots of Justice or Honor Points who have already purchased all of the gear that interests them.
    Good that you posted that, I was about to reply saying that 30 dungeon bosses for a stack of Embersilk and 40 for a stack of Savage Leather is ridiculous... Kinda makes sense now that I read that Blizzard post =P
  1. wMw's Avatar
    Double the amount of epic boss droping and points.
  1. mmoccdcfc5f8d6's Avatar
    "oh my god, blizz r dum, dez r expensive lolz QQ"

    Using your JP points to buy these is NOT something you SHOULD do, you're not being encouraged to do so.

    They are only there for people who wants to reset their JP counters and perhaps make a couple of gold in the process.
  1. catalystical's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbnut View Post
    This is not something meant to be "worth spending jp on to get loads of profit"..This is merely for those who have nothing else to spend their points on and need some mats for some crafted piece...While they are too lazy to farm it or buy it off AH...

    The prices are great except for the cloth, which is insanely overpriced compared to the rest. Quit your QQing, this aint meant to be a profitmachine
    However spending JP on BC and wrath gems gives a much higher yield than spending JP on the items directly. 3000 JP worth of gems can easily net you at least 2 stacks of herbs.
  1. greyghost's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bridius View Post
    LOL 2500 JP for a stack of Embersilk? Man this still makes doing heroics pointless. Six long runs of Deadmines is not worth a stack of Embersilk or Elementium....
    Lemme direct you to the point....
    v v v v
    What else are you going to spend your Justice Points on, assuming you're already in full heroic-level gear?

    And /sigh at people still freaking out about Ghostcrawler's blog post. I gotta wonder what people struggling with the fight mechanics of heroics are going to think when they go trip into Blackwing Descent / Bastion of the Twilight for the first time. But I do know what they're going to admit to themselves, though. "Gee, I wish I hadn't just rolled through the two easiest heroics** over and over to get JP for my gear, so I could have learned how to not stand in fire / handle burst AoE damage / tank positioning better!"

    ** being Easy Pinnacle and Throne of the Tides.
  1. mmocaa7c741bda's Avatar
    I'd rather spend that amount of points of supposedly useless heirlooms.
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shpongled View Post
    I'd rather spend that amount of points of supposedly useless heirlooms.
    And what if you have every single of the supposedly useless heirlooms already?
  1. mmocaa7c741bda's Avatar
    Far from that as I bet most people are, but then I'd just buy old expansion gems and sell them.
  1. Souper friend's Avatar
    I think the point of the high prices is that people just dont farm heroics to obtain these. Its just a little itty bitty bonus for completling a weeks worth of daily heroics so you can get rid of your points easier if you have nothing else to spend.

    For those complaining about prices, this is not supposed to be a new fast way of obtaining cloth or ore.
  1. _Fire_'s Avatar
    Hmm so you get free stuff and you're complaining?
  1. Zarios's Avatar
    Lol at people complaining. You aren't suppose to be able to just do heroics and make as much as someone who is actually a herb, be greatful you have something to spend it on. I think this is a nice change, so I don't feel as if I'm waisting time doing heroics.
  1. Fuzzbutt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by catalystical View Post
    However spending JP on BC and wrath gems gives a much higher yield than spending JP on the items directly. 3000 JP worth of gems can easily net you at least 2 stacks of herbs.

    If you want to make more money buying old gems, then by all means go do that. This is specifically designed to NOT be cost effective, to NOT be something you can use to make a lot of money, and to NOT be something you can use to tank the market. I'm not saying whether the design intent is right or wrong, but that was the expressly stated intent of these vendors.
  1. Gruffertus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shin_K View Post
    There you go, having them at a high price would offer flexibility without affecting economies too much: they’d still be BoP, and they’d be really expensive.
    They'd be particularly expensive since being BoP means that they can't be sold It also means that there'd be no point people without the relevant tradeskills picking them up, as they have literally no use for them.
  1. Gnomity's Avatar
    Its a point dump. It makes perfect sense to me since I'm already at a loss for what to do, and I've capped JP at least 3 times since release. Runnin out of heirloom items to buy O.o
  1. mordred69's Avatar
    lol there stacks, l2r
  1. skylla05's Avatar
    I don't mind the prices, but it would be nice if we could see a slight increase in the JP cap.
  1. KnickKnack's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormreage View Post
    Those prices seem pretty high to me. But it's better then not being able to spend those points at all
    There is a reason why they are high. If they were low, then it would ruin economy and it would defeat the purpose of farming (other than dungeon farming).
  1. mmoc0fd79c8fc0's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by balir View Post
    WTB Chaos orbs

    And I hope that blue post about Paragon's Sinestra kill quietens the doubters out there.
    And who cares about Sinestra ? They exploited other Bosses
  1. arindam's Avatar
    To all the people who can't grasp the simple fact that these vendors allow you to get something for your unused JP where previously you got nothing:

    Please just pretend the vendors don't exist, and go about your merry business as if it's still 4.0.3.


    To those complaining that you can currently buy WOTLK gems, cut them, and vendor them for more than you can get for any of these Cata reagents via JP:

    Please just pretend the vendors don't exist, and continue vendoring WOTLK gems as if it's still 4.0.3.



    Some people apparently have less of a problem with reaching the JP cap and then effectively getting nothing from heroic bosses than with being able to spend them on profession mats at an exchange rate that prevents you from farming them just by doing heroics. This isn't WOTLK anymore, where 3 heroics = epic gem = easy 100-150g. Deal with it.
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphirea View Post
    Hmm so you get free stuff and you're complaining?
    They are complaining that they don't get ENOUGH FREE STUFF

    You know, Wrath of the Welfareking has done some damage to people's expectations

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