Patch 4.0.6 Justice and Honor Trade Goods Vendors
Patch 4.0.6 introduces 2 new vendors to the game, the Honor and Justice Trade Goods vendors! They can be found next to the other Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price.

Please note that some of these items are stacks of items so pay attention to the quantity on the icon! The Satchel of Freshly-Picked Herbs contains a selection of 20 random Cataclysm Herbs.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Lady Sinestra First Kill (and bugs)
I do think you have to take the tone of that post in the context in which it was written. Because Sinestra is a super-hardcore boss, they were pretty much the first ones to really push her mechanics to the limits. It's easy to see from their post that they were understandably frustrated. Not only were they trying to learn the mechanics and develop strategies, but we were watching closely, hotfixing several different issues as they stumbled across them. This meant they had to adapt to the changes we were making on the spot in addition to figuring out how to kill her -- and she's definitely no pushover.

We do wish it would have been a cleaner fight for them, but we really appreciate them pushing the limits of hardcore raiding, and testing us to design new and compelling challenges. (Source)

Dungeon Difficulty and Ghostcrawler's Blog - Wow, Dungeons are Hard!
I know you're probably frustrated by any number of issues Ghostcrawler tackled in his blog. We completely get that, which was the entire point of his post. We're not telling players it's our way or the highway. We're not burying our heads in the sand and letting you figure it out. He took a lot of his own time to try and provide some insight and positive reinforcement, admit some design mistakes we've made in Cataclysm, and let you know (most importantly) that we hear you.

We also have to recognize that there is a harsh debate within the community right now about the difficulty level. Players are flinging mud at one another and saying "learn to play", or "go grind in some other hardcore MMO". People aren't in agreement about these things and need to tone down the rhetoric (which Ghostcrawler addresses eloquently in his blog).

We're not going to join that debate, though we are players too. The best we can do right now -- as I think Ghostcrawler noted well -- is keep the dialog open and encourage constructive criticism, and even positive feedback. Hearing both what players like and don't like about select aspects of gameplay is useful to us.

The entire reason behind him writing that blog sprung from us sending him a particular thread (amongst many other we've been sending him since the launch of Cataclysm) that had him really concerned: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1660221627

He wants to see the tone of the debate changed so we can work together to make this a better game, so it's really unfortunate when you post as though he's throwing the naughty finger in your face. His post was not written from a place of hubris. Those who would take it that way probably just fundamentally disagree with the current design philosophy. But only two things are true in this case: 1) we will never please everyone with our design, and 2) we will never stop listening to our players.

In any event, I appreciate you taking the time to post. I just hope you can keep an open mind and a thoughtful dialog with us, as simply sharing with us how you perceive Ghostcrawler's attitude to be won't move game design anywhere. That's just the reality of it all. (Source)

Removing guild reputation requirements for officers
Sounds great, here's how that would work out: I have an awesome end-game progression guild. We're level 25. You give me 20k gold, I send you an invite and promote you to the highest officer rank. You buy whatever rewards you want, and then leave.

This is not the intent of the system. (Source)
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  1. Duster505's Avatar
    3000 jps for 20 herbs ? rofl. I get 20 herbs in under 5 mins as herber. What a joke....
  1. Cocoa's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by aggression View Post
    Not working that way. When new tier is added, your Justice Points will be replaced with your current VP. And your VP will be set to 0. So if you have 4000 JP and 1000 VP, you will now have 1000 JP and 0 VP.
    no, you'll have 5000 JP and 0 VP and will need to spend JP to get back below 4k to get any more JP
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    3000 jps for 20 herbs ? rofl. I get 20 herbs in under 5 mins as herber. What a joke....
    That just shows that the JP price of items is completely fine, since nobody will be able to tank any markets in an unintended way.
  1. NomadicGod's Avatar
    How useless.
  1. Charo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    2500 JP = 1 stack of cloth = 80G...
    2500 JP = 22 epic WOTLK Gems = 22*5 @ vendor = 110G

    Your Argument is invalid. There already IS better stuff ingame to spend the points on.
    You do realize you could cut those epic gems and they sell for an additional 4g per gem... stop acting like a know it all when you clearly don't. :P
  1. Oevaag's Avatar
    Not complaining about prices. Like most have stated here will just cntinue to buy WotLK gems for vendoring.

    What is confusing me however is, why it costs 50% in HP as it does to JP ?

    Both have a 4k cap and a max per week of 1250 ? (not a pvp'er)
  1. mmoc204baefcb8's Avatar
    Is it just me, or are the Prices for the Tradeskill Stuff a little over the notch ?
    I stack Ore for 3000 JP? lol
    I farm 1 Stack in 10 Mins tops, how long you need for 3000 JP ?
  1. iceberg265's Avatar
    Prices are a bit high, but at least we finally will have a use for JP.
  1. phyrix's Avatar
    I'm happy they're giving us a way to dump excess justice points.

    I'm capped on two chars, and while I only do my daily heroic on those anymore (because I have the best gear I can get from heroics), it sucks to see those 200 - 300 justice points go to waste every day.

    It's like a bonus, if you will.
    Maybe they'll add epic gems to those vendors as well later in the expansion, like they did in wrath.
  1. Rimuladas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Improvedlol View Post
    They felt perfectly tuned to me when I did them in greens.
    I feel sorry for your healer.
  1. powerstuck's Avatar
    When you have an enchanter and you know that any lvl81 green item will give you at least one dust or more...and that it will take you less than 5 minutes to farm mats/item while it still takes 40 minutes to get into a damn heroic as a dps, you do think that 200 jp for one dust is expensive.

    When you have a miner and taking 15 minutes every day to get thru a portal from SW to Twillight Highlands...fly North-West from the basecamp, stop into the dragon cave and fly back to base camp will earn you about two stacks of ore and if you are just a little lucky even a full stack of pyrium ore...2000 jp is expensive.

    When you have a skinner and you know that to get a few stacks of leather all it takes is a little trip to Tol Barad and farm the Crocodiles that people doing the daily quest leave dead for you to skin...750jp is hard.

    And all this will do is lower the price of the items on AH. Some people rely on selling good they obtain/produce to make money...and those that dont need gear wont buy gear, those that dont need points will buy gold with points.
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rimuladas View Post
    I feel sorry for your healer.
    No need to feel sorry, since these heroics are tuned for people in mixed 330ish greens with some blues, assuming that they cc and don't stand in the bad.
  1. Disgruntler's Avatar
    You're in one of four possible states involving this vendor.

    You're getting gear with JPs in which case this vendor is someone you'd never visit
    You're getting heirlooms with JPs in which case this vendor is someone you'd never visit
    You're not doing content giving you JPs in which case this vendor is someone you'd never visit
    You're JP capped, and losing JPs to the void that is your cap, in which case, this vendor is an option for burning off your JPs you're not using.

    Those are your only four possibilities. If you're 1-3, you don't care this guy exists, and if you're in 4, you don't care that the costs are 'overpriced.'

    Seriously. Calm down. No one is making you spend your precious JPs. And for the 'save JPs' crowd: It's not hard to get 4000 jps, cap off, and then what next? Right. Nothing. Let's not even pretend that it'll be hard to cap when 4.1 drops.
  1. grimkiller's Avatar
    Even if the prices are high for some stuff, it's better than straight up losing the points when the next tier content drops.
    They could have easily not done this and you would sit there with 4k wasted and lose them all with nothing to show for it.
  1. Seejay's Avatar
    I was excited at first (thinking I'd finally be able to make some money out of pvp) but after reading these other posts it seems the items aren't worth that much at all. Oh dear :Z

    Although apparently that wasn't their intention anyway, so in that respect, working as intended.
  1. ploinks's Avatar
    Anyone else think heroics are too easy not to hard.... The real issue is dungeon finder isnt an appropriate way to tackle a dungeon that isnt a joke.. You wouldn't Random LFG a raid would you... Didn't think so.

    ---------- Post added 2011-01-21 at 05:47 PM ----------

    also in regards to mat prices.. if they were low prices then why have farming professions?? All this is is something to do with them not an appropriate reward for effort put in. I love peoples sense of entitlement......
  1. Kiro's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by grimkiller View Post
    Even if the prices are high for some stuff, it's better than straight up losing the points when the next tier content drops.
    They could have easily not done this and you would sit there with 4k wasted and lose them all with nothing to show for it.
    Naw, I'll just save the points for my off-spec gear that gets bumped down a tier of points. Thanks.

    At least put useful items up there at those prices. It's a ridiculously stupid point dump they put in there, and I feel bad for anyone that partakes in it.
  1. Lenonis's Avatar
    Lots of ignorant posting on this thread.

    The only real arguments that can be made are this:
    1) Lack of Chaos Orbs. It can be argued whether or not this is something that could have been added for 4000JP. It seems reasonable that to earn that much JP you'd have done the equivalent of at least 1 full heroic. If you lack an orb, it's more likely you just had sucky rolls.
    2) Equalization of materials based on difficulty to get. Ore and Herbs should be the same price. Cloth should be cheaper than Ore or Herbs. The price of a shard should be equal to the cheapest blue.

    The arguments that cannot be made and have any real sense:
    1) Items should be cheap. No...absolutely no. I don't think anyone making this argument has any idea how horrible this would be for the in-game economy. Sure, it would be a great source of mats, but it would screw up the whole in-game economy and create a ton of longer term issues. These items are not intended to be a source of materials. Read that again. Now one more time. It's just a bonus for those who have nothing else to use JP on. And if you can earn more by buying gems and vendoring them, then go for it. Folks just might want the convenience of the vendor in current world content areas.
    2) Maelstrom crystal or any other high value BoE item available. It will never happen. Either the JP cap would have to be lifted, which creates issues with people buying too much gear when tiers shift downwards, or you have a cheap source of materials which would tank the economy for that item. You might want that, but it's still far too early in the expansion to expect top end items to be cheap. Give it six more months and the prices will drop naturally. Destroying the economy because you are too impatient is not the way to go.

    I like this addition. I do think the RELATIVE prices of items to each other are a bit off, but I think the overall prices are just about right. Not low enough to mess with the economy but not so high it's pointless to get those items.

    EDIT -- and has been said ten thousand times, if you have gear to spend the points on (heirlooms or otherwise) or you have space to keep banking points in anticipation of the next tier then this change is not for you and you should not concern yourself with it.
  1. mmoc704a8b6868's Avatar
    You know, I might even earn more money buying wotlk mats for my JP, anyway I´ll probablly buy every single heirloom first.
  1. wingedkitten's Avatar
    Haha wow. Xentropy, you are my hero. I was going to post something similar but you beat me to it. Maybe I should still do it though because these people here are just.. wow.

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