Patch 4.0.6 Justice and Honor Trade Goods Vendors
Patch 4.0.6 introduces 2 new vendors to the game, the Honor and Justice Trade Goods vendors! They can be found next to the other Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price.

Please note that some of these items are stacks of items so pay attention to the quantity on the icon! The Satchel of Freshly-Picked Herbs contains a selection of 20 random Cataclysm Herbs.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Lady Sinestra First Kill (and bugs)
I do think you have to take the tone of that post in the context in which it was written. Because Sinestra is a super-hardcore boss, they were pretty much the first ones to really push her mechanics to the limits. It's easy to see from their post that they were understandably frustrated. Not only were they trying to learn the mechanics and develop strategies, but we were watching closely, hotfixing several different issues as they stumbled across them. This meant they had to adapt to the changes we were making on the spot in addition to figuring out how to kill her -- and she's definitely no pushover.

We do wish it would have been a cleaner fight for them, but we really appreciate them pushing the limits of hardcore raiding, and testing us to design new and compelling challenges. (Source)

Dungeon Difficulty and Ghostcrawler's Blog - Wow, Dungeons are Hard!
I know you're probably frustrated by any number of issues Ghostcrawler tackled in his blog. We completely get that, which was the entire point of his post. We're not telling players it's our way or the highway. We're not burying our heads in the sand and letting you figure it out. He took a lot of his own time to try and provide some insight and positive reinforcement, admit some design mistakes we've made in Cataclysm, and let you know (most importantly) that we hear you.

We also have to recognize that there is a harsh debate within the community right now about the difficulty level. Players are flinging mud at one another and saying "learn to play", or "go grind in some other hardcore MMO". People aren't in agreement about these things and need to tone down the rhetoric (which Ghostcrawler addresses eloquently in his blog).

We're not going to join that debate, though we are players too. The best we can do right now -- as I think Ghostcrawler noted well -- is keep the dialog open and encourage constructive criticism, and even positive feedback. Hearing both what players like and don't like about select aspects of gameplay is useful to us.

The entire reason behind him writing that blog sprung from us sending him a particular thread (amongst many other we've been sending him since the launch of Cataclysm) that had him really concerned: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1660221627

He wants to see the tone of the debate changed so we can work together to make this a better game, so it's really unfortunate when you post as though he's throwing the naughty finger in your face. His post was not written from a place of hubris. Those who would take it that way probably just fundamentally disagree with the current design philosophy. But only two things are true in this case: 1) we will never please everyone with our design, and 2) we will never stop listening to our players.

In any event, I appreciate you taking the time to post. I just hope you can keep an open mind and a thoughtful dialog with us, as simply sharing with us how you perceive Ghostcrawler's attitude to be won't move game design anywhere. That's just the reality of it all. (Source)

Removing guild reputation requirements for officers
Sounds great, here's how that would work out: I have an awesome end-game progression guild. We're level 25. You give me 20k gold, I send you an invite and promote you to the highest officer rank. You buy whatever rewards you want, and then leave.

This is not the intent of the system. (Source)
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Comments 322 Comments
  1. Bridius's Avatar
    LOL 2.5k for a stack of Embersilk. Wheres the blue quality gem vendor? :/
  1. ZeroEdgeir's Avatar
    Blizzard did say that they would be making the materials NOT a cost-effective way to obtain them.

    And these prices definitely show it.

    I'd have liked it if they added in 10 of any one Volatile for like 2000-3000 JP too.
  1. CynicalOtaku's Avatar
    Well, shit...if you don't like the prices, you sure as hell don't have to buy the mats. I'm sure you can find a more efficient use of your JP.
  1. lumbrius's Avatar
    >go grind in some other hardcore MMO


    This is true, WoW has become too hardcore.
  1. Bridius's Avatar
    LOL 2500 JP for a stack of Embersilk? Man this still makes doing heroics pointless. Six long runs of Deadmines is not worth a stack of Embersilk or Elementium....

    The JP vendors in WotLK actually gave me an incentive to do heroics. Where's the blue quality gem vendor? :/ looks like I won't be doing heroics like I used to in WoTLK anymore when I'm bored and Valor capped

    Edit: I guess the bag of herbs is the only thing worth getting
  1. mmoc55418e8da1's Avatar
    they should have added a maelstrom crystal for 4000 jp
    however i think 2jp arent the same worth than 1 honor, it takes 30min for 100 honor but for the same time in a hc you get 400 or more
  1. blahssat's Avatar
    Those prices are NOT SUPPOSED to be cheap. They are the 4.0.6 version of heroic strike: Expensive and you don't get much in return, but what else are you going to spend your points on if you have gotten what you already needed?

    The people that are whining that prices are too high obviously don't get the point of JP dumping.
  1. CynicalOtaku's Avatar
    Bridius...I don't NEED an incentive to run heroics. I run them because I'm helping my guildies gear out. I run 2-3 a day. If that's worth some guaranteed enchanting mats, sweet.

    I've been capped on JP for the last two weeks. The fact that blizz is actually giving me something to burn the JP on is nice. I'm not gonna turn around and bitch that the price isn't fair, because it's not meant to be fair. Heroics are not and should not be a means to efficiently, or even semi efficiently, farm tradeskill materials.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    people should quit whinging about prices .. not like you have anything better to spend them on ..
    2500 JP = 1 stack of cloth = 80G...
    2500 JP = 22 epic WOTLK Gems = 22*5 @ vendor = 110G

    Your Argument is invalid. There already IS better stuff ingame to spend the points on.
  1. tusker's Avatar
    While we're on the topic, just thought I'd add this: Don't forget you can also spend your JP on heirloom gear from the vendors in Dalaran. It can be a nice way to spend them
  1. Cernunnos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by CynicalOtaku View Post

    I've been capped on JP for the last two weeks. The fact that blizz is actually giving me something to burn the JP on is nice. I'm not gonna turn around and bitch that the price isn't fair, because it's not meant to be fair. Heroics are not and should not be a means to efficiently, or even semi efficiently, farm tradeskill materials.
    Considering even blizzard admitted to this as well, I am failing to see how people are not seeing this.

    This is not a way to farm mats easily. It's simply a way to dump excess JP.
  1. abpapollo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Derpaderp View Post
    Well the enchanting mats aren't all that expensive, justice points whise, I mean a blue item costs between 900 and 2200 justice points and you only get 1 shard out of that so I see that 1200 JP for 1 shard is quite reasonable, but the rest I also find a bit overpriced and not worthy spending so much honor/jp on.
    not that reasonable dude...u can spend 900 JP and get a shard compared to 1200...300JP. after buying the sheild 3 times compared to that vendor, u can buy 1 more with the amount u saved. GG dumb prices not worth it at all.
  1. CynicalOtaku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by abpapollo View Post
    not that reasonable dude...u can spend 900 JP and get a shard compared to 1200...300JP. after buying the sheild 3 times compared to that vendor, u can buy 1 more with the amount u saved. GG dumb prices not worth it at all.
    Except that option is only available to a toon that is an enchanter. My main is not an enchanter.

    ---------- Post added 2011-01-21 at 04:43 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    2500 JP = 1 stack of cloth = 80G...
    2500 JP = 22 epic WOTLK Gems = 22*5 @ vendor = 110G

    Your Argument is invalid. There already IS better stuff ingame to spend the points on.
    On my server embersilk cloth sells for 6g for an individual cloth. That's 120g. Your argument is only valid when your server's economy makes it so.
  1. ButterToast's Avatar
    WORST idea ever, there goes the NEED of having a gathering profession.
  1. lancore89's Avatar
    You could buy 2 dust for 400 JP...
    OR you just go buying 5 epic BC gems for 390 JP, vendor them for 25g and buy even more dust. Nothing has changed, JP is still pretty much worthless
  1. Dark-Sider's Avatar
    Hi,

    the VP to JP conversion will work differently:

    With the release of the next Tier-Raiding Gear alls VP will be added to your current amount of JPs. If you exceed the 4k JPs because your current amount and added ammount of Points exceeds the 4k you'll end up with like 6k JPs. But then, you're capped. You can't earn any more points until you drop below the cap (currently 4k).

    Don't forget: The 4k cap was introduced so people sond save all their JPs for the day VP-Gear gets converted to JPs!

    There is no sense in NOT adding the VP points on top of the JP points because you already could have bought your gear in the first place...

    bye
    Darky
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    On my server embersilk cloth sells for 6g for an individual cloth. That's 120g. Your argument is only valid when your server's economy makes it so.
    You can bet your butt on the fact that this price WILL go down. Because everybody will try to sell that stuff that nets the most profit.
    My argument will be valid for your server soon enough.
  1. Hanzan's Avatar
    there goes all of my incomes....these will plummit to the ground now
  1. Seadog's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    In my opinion 2k Justice points for a stack of ore is way to much. Everyone would be better off saving their points for the next content patch if thats what the prices are.
    Just that in the enxt content patch you will lose all JP :O
  1. Zka's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ButterToast View Post
    WORST idea ever, there goes the NEED of having a gathering profession.
    Seriously. Did you even try to estimate how ineffective is this conversion? I guess not.

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