Patch 4.0.6 Justice and Honor Trade Goods Vendors
Patch 4.0.6 introduces 2 new vendors to the game, the Honor and Justice Trade Goods vendors! They can be found next to the other Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price.

Please note that some of these items are stacks of items so pay attention to the quantity on the icon! The Satchel of Freshly-Picked Herbs contains a selection of 20 random Cataclysm Herbs.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Lady Sinestra First Kill (and bugs)
I do think you have to take the tone of that post in the context in which it was written. Because Sinestra is a super-hardcore boss, they were pretty much the first ones to really push her mechanics to the limits. It's easy to see from their post that they were understandably frustrated. Not only were they trying to learn the mechanics and develop strategies, but we were watching closely, hotfixing several different issues as they stumbled across them. This meant they had to adapt to the changes we were making on the spot in addition to figuring out how to kill her -- and she's definitely no pushover.

We do wish it would have been a cleaner fight for them, but we really appreciate them pushing the limits of hardcore raiding, and testing us to design new and compelling challenges. (Source)

Dungeon Difficulty and Ghostcrawler's Blog - Wow, Dungeons are Hard!
I know you're probably frustrated by any number of issues Ghostcrawler tackled in his blog. We completely get that, which was the entire point of his post. We're not telling players it's our way or the highway. We're not burying our heads in the sand and letting you figure it out. He took a lot of his own time to try and provide some insight and positive reinforcement, admit some design mistakes we've made in Cataclysm, and let you know (most importantly) that we hear you.

We also have to recognize that there is a harsh debate within the community right now about the difficulty level. Players are flinging mud at one another and saying "learn to play", or "go grind in some other hardcore MMO". People aren't in agreement about these things and need to tone down the rhetoric (which Ghostcrawler addresses eloquently in his blog).

We're not going to join that debate, though we are players too. The best we can do right now -- as I think Ghostcrawler noted well -- is keep the dialog open and encourage constructive criticism, and even positive feedback. Hearing both what players like and don't like about select aspects of gameplay is useful to us.

The entire reason behind him writing that blog sprung from us sending him a particular thread (amongst many other we've been sending him since the launch of Cataclysm) that had him really concerned: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1660221627

He wants to see the tone of the debate changed so we can work together to make this a better game, so it's really unfortunate when you post as though he's throwing the naughty finger in your face. His post was not written from a place of hubris. Those who would take it that way probably just fundamentally disagree with the current design philosophy. But only two things are true in this case: 1) we will never please everyone with our design, and 2) we will never stop listening to our players.

In any event, I appreciate you taking the time to post. I just hope you can keep an open mind and a thoughtful dialog with us, as simply sharing with us how you perceive Ghostcrawler's attitude to be won't move game design anywhere. That's just the reality of it all. (Source)

Removing guild reputation requirements for officers
Sounds great, here's how that would work out: I have an awesome end-game progression guild. We're level 25. You give me 20k gold, I send you an invite and promote you to the highest officer rank. You buy whatever rewards you want, and then leave.

This is not the intent of the system. (Source)
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Comments 322 Comments
  1. CynicalOtaku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzan View Post
    there goes all of my incomes....these will plummit to the ground now
    Hah. At the prices listed? The given prices should pretty much guarantee that there will be little effect on the server economy.
  1. mmoc502ef3a5f1's Avatar
    As I say someone say.
    This is NOT a way to obtain things. It's nice that they implent someway to spend my jp when iam doing dailys for the vp.. Really nice even tho prices har high but they are FINE! gj blizz=)
  1. mmoc2481a19ed1's Avatar
    While the prices aren't meant to be "cost-efficient", there's a difference between "not cost-efficient" and "retarded". 2000 JP for a stack of ore? Yeah, takes maybe 5-10min to grind said stack of ore, while 2000 JP is ~28 heroic boss kills. Hello? Would've been nice if they could've at least added chaos orbs to the vendor, but even for that anything over 2000 JP is just plain silly.

    If it comes to that, I'll just rather buy heirlooms, even ones I have zero need for (I already have the ones I need at this point, pretty much). And with honor... well, I only have one honor mount per character, so there's plenty to spend on "luckily". I suppose it's a case of "better than nothing" here, but it's so close to nothing that it could just as well be nothing in practical terms
  1. Ibbi's Avatar
    Oh yeah, I'm gonna do two battlegrounds so I can get ONE dust... rofl.
  1. mmocc7ae5c5557's Avatar
    Blizzard are not intending players to grind JP/HP solely to buy these items, you do PVP for more than just HP and you do Heroics for more than just JP. For the people who go to heroics for VP and achievements, JP are useless and just sit there at the cap for ever. These items are sold for the sole purpose of: "Oh I have 4000 jp.... I dont have anything to spend them on.... GG Blizz. Oh I need some herbs for flasks, I guess i'll fork out 200g for some, WAIT A SECOND I have 4000 jp that I don't need so I can buy herbs with that! At least thats 200g saved."
  1. Ukerric's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by aggression View Post
    Don't need a blue source. Well, either it will work like THAT. Or they will add a third currency,
    Or it will work like they initially said, which is that your VP will be converted and added to your previous JP totals. Which is why you were asked for a blue source, since what you posted directly contradicted existing statements.

    (why do you think JP is capped? That's because they explicitly said they did not want people to have 12k JP ready to spend on the day 4.1 hits and they suddenly can purchase every epic. If JP/HP were wiped, there would be no need to cap their total)
  1. EdwinB89's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    2500 JP = 1 stack of cloth = 80G...
    2500 JP = 22 epic WOTLK Gems = 22*5 @ vendor = 110G

    Your Argument is invalid. There already IS better stuff ingame to spend the points on.
    Here's one I spent my JP on the past weeks, in the same comparison:
    2500 JP = 32 epic BC Gems = 32x5 @ vendor = 160g

    And for the jewelcrafters, should you have corresponding pattern (Shattered Sun Offensive/Scale of the Sands), it's 32x(5+1) = 192g

    Have fun :-)
  1. Yollidan's Avatar
    Its not 900 JP for a shard just because... not everyone has enchanting, get it? People with enchanting can buy the item and shard it and people without it can just buy the shard.

    But I can totally see some price adjustment on AH after this patch...
  1. Ukerric's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    TBy the time that happens, everyone will already have all the Valor gear on their mains,
    Hmmm, you mean "everyone who is into full-time raiding and routinely does a random heroic every day without fail".

    A full set of valor items is about 12k Valor points. Someone doing random heroics 7 days a week will earn 490 valor per week; it will take him/her 5 to 6 months after starting heroics to have every Valor item for his/her main spec.

    I do hope 4.1 to hit live well before june...
  1. Oberoth's Avatar
    LOLOLOL this is supposed to be a "hey I have been running instances and got X piece of gear I need enchanted... crap I need one dust... hey let me go get that"... Not "hey let me farm instances to get dust"

    Seriously there have been plenty of times I have needed that one dust but had a butt ton of extra points to spend...but I had to get it off of the AH... Glad I can finally dump some when I need to ....


    ZOMG PRICES R SO HI....lolololololololol
  1. Alphamage's Avatar
    To all the people that are saying that this is a total ripoff, I tell them one thing:"You dont like the price? Go farm it by yourself, stop whining and stack your jp in the closet".
    For some, this is a way to spend some jp because we are capped all the time and have nowhere to spend it... we will be capped anyway by the end of the week once more, even if we buy stuff.
    Blizzard stated already that the prices are not intended to be reasonable!! Take it or leave it...
  1. armut's Avatar
    OMG.. still laughing..

    I am spending 5-6 hours for 1250 honor and now I can buy 20 Embersilk Cloth with it.. Unbelievable..

    I can Understand if they bring this kind of vendor 1 year later but the costs and the timing is...

    Started thinking the logic behind this...

    Not gonna talk more.. I dont want to get banned because of 3-5 stupid blizz workers..
  1. CynicalOtaku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ibbi View Post
    Oh yeah, I'm gonna do two battlegrounds so I can get ONE dust... rofl.
    You're about as idiotic as your avatar looks.
    You're not going to do two battle grounds to get one dust. You're going to do two battlegrounds because you feel like doing two battlegrounds. Then you realize you're capped on honor. Oh, golly gee...whatever will you do with it?

    People, don't be idiots like Ibbi here. The point is not to create a definite incentive to farm JP or Honor. The point is to make it so that peeps who are capped and have purchased every other item that interests them don't feel like those activities give them nothing but the satisfaction of a job well done.

    You can argue about the exact pricing, and there are some good points that the prices are a touch too high (which might very well be adjusted before the changes to live). But the fact remains they will never be, and should never be, nearly as efficient as normal means of farming.
  1. Manchego's Avatar
    I certainly hope that the prices are a placeholder, because they're ridiculous. Compare any of these items to the current JP gold sink, WotLK epic gems. You can purchase any orange, green or purple uncutt epic gem for 110 JP. Cut them into ANYTHING with your JC toon, and the vendor value per gem is 9g each. Thats a pretty solid standard to work from - so lets compare it to the posted prices and see how that stacks up with your server's AH!

    Hypnotic Dust - 200 JP = 1.81 gems per = 16.36g
    Greater Celestial Essence - 800 JP = 7.27 gems per = 65.45g
    Heavenly Shard - 1200 JP = 10.90 gems per = 98.18g
    Savage Leather - 750 JP / 5 (1/4 stack) = 6.81 gems per = 61.36g (245.45 per full stack)
    Embersilk Cloth - 2500 JP = 22.72 gems per = 204.54g
    Elementium Ore - 2000 JP = 18.18 gems per = 163g
    Satchel of Freshly Picked Herbs - 3000 JP = 27.27 gems per = 245.45g

    Even with the state of most Cata Auction Houses, I'm still hard pressed to find much value in this over the gems. Almost every avenue (if not every one) represents devaluation over vendoring obsolete gems. I know that there's a ton of commentary to the effect of "hey, at least I have something to spend my JP / Honor on now since I've been capped out for X amount of time", but those statements are patently false / uninformed as it was never the case. You always had available sinks, be it gems, primordials / orbs (lol, that), heirlooms, etc.

    When they announced that the upcoming patch would provide vendors for trade goods, I was hopeful. Hopeful because, though gold is easier than ever to make in this expansion, inflation and gouging have been through the roof (I'm looking at you, Pristine Hide). Some sort of relief - much like Frozo offered to the Frost Lotus market - was what I expected. Assuming that these prices are not just placeholders, then all we get is a vendor with almost no worth at all, unless its really too difficult for you to trek to Dalaran and cash in your spare JP.

    Great idea, terrible execution. This won't do a thing for the rampant market inflation in the game right now, because it wont introduce any more supply into a supply / demand equation, since its cost prohibitive to even use it. Guess I'll still be spending hours on end farming, rather than blow my entire JP cap for enough Eternium ore to smelt into a single 20 stack of bars.

    (Sorry if this double-posts, I might've messed up something the first time. Or maybe not.)
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Haha, the tears of the clueless are so sweet!

    These vendors are not supposed to be a viable income source for the mid-field honor farmers that ignore all BG objectives so that they could just ruin the associated markets for good!

    You either stay capped or you can just earn few extra hundreds of gold sometimes.
  1. blahssat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Airath View Post
    Haha, the tears of the clueless are so sweet!

    These vendors are not supposed to be a viable income source for the mid-field honor farmers that ignore all BG objectives so that they could just ruin the associated markets for good!

    You either stay capped or you can just earn few extra hundreds of gold sometimes.
    This x 100. I too am also loving all the delicious QQ tears. Nom nom nom nom nom.
  1. Talramass's Avatar
    Heroics are supposed to be heroic, but no after wotlk every one thinks that a heroic must take 5-10 mins of pointless stampede over thrash and bosses. Learn to play. everyone complaining about hcs and raid difficulty are morons, and all of them state that they play since vanila nad never had that much frustration (!?). If so pls tell me when did you go that fast trough a dungeon or raid, did you remember being healed as dps in raid (no, you had to carry your own ass through this) did you remember how long the buffs lasted, do you know what cc, self healing, and stay the f* out of the aoe mend? did you remember what the flask is? do you remember how many wipes was it taking to down a boss, or how much time a simple normal dungeon was it taking?

    stop complaining and learn to play

    yes hcs are hard, and they suppose to be that way

    but one think blizzard failed at was when they promised epic gear to be epic, and ppl with it to stand above the masses and to be recognized, now every noob is walking around with boe and rep epics

    come ooon blizz you can do better than this
  1. Bane-Thunder-God's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxxi View Post
    Blizzard are not intending players to grind JP/HP solely to buy these items, you do PVP for more than just HP and you do Heroics for more than just JP. For the people who go to heroics for VP and achievements, JP are useless and just sit there at the cap for ever. These items are sold for the sole purpose of: "Oh I have 4000 jp.... I dont have anything to spend them on.... GG Blizz. Oh I need some herbs for flasks, I guess i'll fork out 200g for some, WAIT A SECOND I have 4000 jp that I don't need so I can buy herbs with that! At least thats 200g saved."
    This x1000000000000000!
  1. lancore89's Avatar
    There are already better alternatives to spend the JP in game. Why would you buy those overpriced trading goods when you can get 5g for each 78 JP spend?
    That's what we are criticising. And that's what you obviously don't get.

    But well, go on and spend your JP to those mats while people with half a brain buy twice the amount at the AH for less JP
  1. Maxigeek's Avatar
    I would prefere the reverse Merchant 20 ore to buy 2000JP

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