Patch 4.0.6 Justice and Honor Trade Goods Vendors
Patch 4.0.6 introduces 2 new vendors to the game, the Honor and Justice Trade Goods vendors! They can be found next to the other Justice and Honor NPCs and will sell reagents for a very reasonable price.

Please note that some of these items are stacks of items so pay attention to the quantity on the icon! The Satchel of Freshly-Picked Herbs contains a selection of 20 random Cataclysm Herbs.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Lady Sinestra First Kill (and bugs)
I do think you have to take the tone of that post in the context in which it was written. Because Sinestra is a super-hardcore boss, they were pretty much the first ones to really push her mechanics to the limits. It's easy to see from their post that they were understandably frustrated. Not only were they trying to learn the mechanics and develop strategies, but we were watching closely, hotfixing several different issues as they stumbled across them. This meant they had to adapt to the changes we were making on the spot in addition to figuring out how to kill her -- and she's definitely no pushover.

We do wish it would have been a cleaner fight for them, but we really appreciate them pushing the limits of hardcore raiding, and testing us to design new and compelling challenges. (Source)

Dungeon Difficulty and Ghostcrawler's Blog - Wow, Dungeons are Hard!
I know you're probably frustrated by any number of issues Ghostcrawler tackled in his blog. We completely get that, which was the entire point of his post. We're not telling players it's our way or the highway. We're not burying our heads in the sand and letting you figure it out. He took a lot of his own time to try and provide some insight and positive reinforcement, admit some design mistakes we've made in Cataclysm, and let you know (most importantly) that we hear you.

We also have to recognize that there is a harsh debate within the community right now about the difficulty level. Players are flinging mud at one another and saying "learn to play", or "go grind in some other hardcore MMO". People aren't in agreement about these things and need to tone down the rhetoric (which Ghostcrawler addresses eloquently in his blog).

We're not going to join that debate, though we are players too. The best we can do right now -- as I think Ghostcrawler noted well -- is keep the dialog open and encourage constructive criticism, and even positive feedback. Hearing both what players like and don't like about select aspects of gameplay is useful to us.

The entire reason behind him writing that blog sprung from us sending him a particular thread (amongst many other we've been sending him since the launch of Cataclysm) that had him really concerned: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1660221627

He wants to see the tone of the debate changed so we can work together to make this a better game, so it's really unfortunate when you post as though he's throwing the naughty finger in your face. His post was not written from a place of hubris. Those who would take it that way probably just fundamentally disagree with the current design philosophy. But only two things are true in this case: 1) we will never please everyone with our design, and 2) we will never stop listening to our players.

In any event, I appreciate you taking the time to post. I just hope you can keep an open mind and a thoughtful dialog with us, as simply sharing with us how you perceive Ghostcrawler's attitude to be won't move game design anywhere. That's just the reality of it all. (Source)

Removing guild reputation requirements for officers
Sounds great, here's how that would work out: I have an awesome end-game progression guild. We're level 25. You give me 20k gold, I send you an invite and promote you to the highest officer rank. You buy whatever rewards you want, and then leave.

This is not the intent of the system. (Source)
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  1. aggression's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
    Or it will work like they initially said, which is that your VP will be converted and added to your previous JP totals. Which is why you were asked for a blue source, since what you posted directly contradicted existing statements.

    (why do you think JP is capped? That's because they explicitly said they did not want people to have 12k JP ready to spend on the day 4.1 hits and they suddenly can purchase every epic. If JP/HP were wiped, there would be no need to cap their total)
    Which only means that Blizzard fuck all over and over again then. As it can't be hard to raise cap after just 2-3 weeks, when most normal raiders already got their cap. Rest probably didn't worry about the cap, or farm till cap.
  1. Livistos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinB89 View Post
    Here's one I spent my JP on the past weeks, in the same comparison:
    2500 JP = 32 epic BC Gems = 32x5 @ vendor = 160g

    And for the jewelcrafters, should you have corresponding pattern (Shattered Sun Offensive/Scale of the Sands), it's 32x(5+1) = 192g

    Have fun :-)
    And if you cut those gems they sell for even more. I believe 1 epic Wrath cut gem sells for 9.5 gold?

    So.... by far it's smarter to spend your JP on Wrath epic gems, cut them, sell them, then use the gold to buy MORE of what you would have gotten if you spent JP on stuff with this stupid JP vendor for Cata items.
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lancore89 View Post
    There are already better alternatives to spend the JP in game. Why would you buy those overpriced trading goods when you can get 5g for each 78 JP spend?
    That's what we are criticising. And that's what you obviously don't get.

    But well, go on and spend your JP to those mats while people with half a brain buy twice the amount at the AH for less JP
    Still sometimes you just don't want to spend the time travelling to TBC gem vendor just to maybe save a gold or two on the last few dusts you need for your enchant? It's just convinience, I guess.
  1. Stormdash's Avatar
    Of course the only reagent that is currently destroying the in-game economy, taking the fun -- not to mention the profitability -- out of a profession, and making the enchant you have on a weapon a bigger status symbol than the weapon itself... isn't on the vendor list, not even for a full 4000 JP, which I would GLADLY grind and pay a few dozen times to actually have the three missing enchants and be able to use all the other ones. FFS.

    Seriously, enchanters are expected to not only raid seriously, but also to raid so much and roll so well that they get all the gear they need AND THEN enough extra to be able to shard the 359s just to buy the enchant recipes. Or, to have an alt that can either craft epics to DE -- not cheap mat wise! -- or at the very least do the farming needed to craft epics to DE because it takes three maxed professions for an enchanter to do it that way.
  1. Enderfish's Avatar
    First of all, this isn't supposed to be a better way to get these materials, its simply for ppl that have bought all the can from the JP vendors, have all the heirlooms or don't care to get them, are are capped at 4000 JP. Now at least they can buy some-Cata related mats item and actually continue to receive JP during dungeons instead of getting nothing cuz they're at cap.

    What should be mentioned however, is the worth of using your JP to buy WoTLK epic gems. I know they vendor for 5g, but if you have a JC on my server at least the cuts are still selling for 20-100g, sometimes more depending on the cut or availability. Don't forget that for anyone wearing under lvl 300 gear, they cannot use the new cata gems, even the green ones, and the highest level gem they can equip is the WoTLK epic ones. Trust me those old gems are still selling, +hit, +str, +agi, +int, +stam in particular.

    I think this new vendor is a nice way to use the points if you're capped, but if you're concerned about money and not simply convenience, I'd highly recommend checking out the JP vendors in Dalaran and see if buying epic gems/primordial saronite/boe lvl 80 bracers would be worth more.
  1. mmoc34a7a45073's Avatar
    Idiots whining is hilarious. They only implemented this for people with excess JP.
  1. CynicalOtaku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormdash View Post
    Of course the only reagent that is currently destroying the in-game economy, taking the fun -- not to mention the profitability -- out of a profession, and making the enchant you have on a weapon a bigger status symbol than the weapon itself... isn't on the vendor list, not even for a full 4000 JP, which I would GLADLY grind and pay a few dozen times to actually have the three missing enchants and be able to use all the other ones. FFS.

    Seriously, enchanters are expected to not only raid seriously, but also to raid so much and roll so well that they get all the gear they need AND THEN enough extra to be able to shard the 359s just to buy the enchant recipes. Or, to have an alt that can either craft epics to DE -- not cheap mat wise! -- or at the very least do the farming needed to craft epics to DE because it takes three maxed professions for an enchanter to do it that way.
    Been tanking with mending. Been clearing at a steady pace. Perhaps blizzard simply intended that the enchants not become commonplace until well into the first tier of content?
  1. mmoc443165a3eb's Avatar
    Well finally something to spend JP's on. I've been buying a blue offhand for 900 and disenchanting it every few days just to stay under the JP cap.
    Disenchanting is still cheaper so enchanters have a bit of an advantages there still, but it's nice to have other options now as well. Having like 6 stacks of Heavenlies in the bank is rather pointless.
  1. Landolph's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zarbus View Post
    Only half the JP cap for a stack of ore! Wow!
    Yeah its a bargain isnt it!
  1. schwarzkopf's Avatar
    There is a difference between expensive (what I was expensive) and ludicrous (what we got).

    Given there is a cap of 4000JP, you would think that you might get 3 or 4 stacks of random herbs for 4000JP, not just the 1.
  1. EdwinB89's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Livistos View Post
    And if you cut those gems they sell for even more. I believe 1 epic Wrath cut gem sells for 9.5 gold?

    So.... by far it's smarter to spend your JP on Wrath epic gems, cut them, sell them, then use the gold to buy MORE of what you would have gotten if you spent JP on stuff with this stupid JP vendor for Cata items.
    It's the case for Jewelcrafters, since I am no JC it's better for me to buy the BC gems.
    But indeed, as a Jewelcrafter you'll make 6g total more from cutting them! (9g per gem)
  1. mmocbcb02db377's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    In my opinion 2k Justice points for a stack of ore is way to much. Everyone would be better off saving their points for the next content patch if thats what the prices are.
    /yawn

    Those points will regenerate back anyway while they farm valor points from daily heroics. These things are just something to waste your extra points on, not to farm yourself rich with. Gawd.
  1. Obirah's Avatar
    As an enchanter, im better off buying the cheapest piece of blue available for JP's and disenchanting it. Instead of spending 1200 points for one shard.
  1. keLston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    I imagine this thread will be 20 pages of people going "WTF PRICES SO HIGH" even though they announced last week the prices would be very high.
    Just because they said the prices would be high doesn't make it any less ridiculous. If I called you up and announced to you that I would burn down your house doesn't suddenly make it okay that I burn down your house just because I told you I would.
  1. schwarzkopf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Obirah View Post
    As an enchanter, im better off buying the cheapest piece of blue available for JP's and disenchanting it. Instead of spending 1200 points for one shard.
    Yep - 950JP for off hand (e.g. Hermit's Lamp).

    I think what people were expecting was damn expensive ... like Harrods, not ludicrious illogical pricing.

    For 2500JP (10 heroics maybe), you would pick in excess of 40 stacks of cloth during the runs - and they give you 1 more ?

    It just seems illogical ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keLston View Post
    Just because they said the prices would be high doesn't make it any less ridiculous. If I called you up and announced to you that I would burn down your house doesn't suddenly make it okay that I burn down your house just because I told you I would.
    WoW - how to make my side of the argument look idiotic.
  1. howak's Avatar
    They should reduce the prices,I wont buy anything but hairlooms for now
  1. Stormdash's Avatar
    Been tanking with mending. Been clearing at a steady pace. Perhaps blizzard simply intended that the enchants not become commonplace until well into the first tier of content?
    Yeah, it makes sense that Blizzard's plan is for one profession out of the field to be pretty much priced out for non-raiders and probably even for most raiders until a full content patch into the expansion.
  1. CynicalOtaku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormdash View Post
    Yeah, it makes sense that Blizzard's plan is for one profession out of the field to be pretty much priced out for non-raiders and probably even for most raiders until a full content patch into the expansion.
    There's plenty of day to day shit to sell. Sorry, but I'm watching my guild enchanters get some fat wallets off this expac.
  1. Renascido's Avatar
    Oh the complain...ppl always will complain...
    The prices are fine, this is just a alternative for you to spend those jp when you have all the gear that you can buy, this is not suppose to complete substitute the mats farming...so get over it, and stop the QQ about the prices...
  1. Airath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post

    For 2500JP (10 heroics maybe), you would pick in excess of 40 stacks of cloth during the runs - and they give you 1 more ?

    It just seems illogical ?

    .
    41 is more than 40. You get that 1 stack for FREE, because otherwise your over-capped JP would just get wasted for nothing.

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