Patch 4.1 on PTR - Zul'aman and Zul'gurub are back!

This post is being updated regularly, stay tuned for more stuff!





Patch 4.1 New Items
A bunch of items have been added to this patch, including ilvl 391 loot! Trinkets are available in ilvl 378 and ilvl 391 versions, only the ilvl 391 versions are listed here

Level Type Spec Slot Name
1MiscellaneousGuildTabardRenowned Guild Tabard
1MiscellaneousGuildTabardIllustrious Guild Tabard
391TrinketMeleeTrinketApparatus of Khaz'goroth
391TrinketMeleeTrinketVessel of Acceleration
391TrinketMeleeTrinketEssence of the Eternal Flame
391TrinketPhysical DPSTrinketHungerer
391TrinketPhysical DPSTrinketMatrix Restabilizer
391TrinketPhysical DPSTrinketAncient Petrified Seed
391TrinketSpell DPSTrinketVariable Pulse Lightning Capacitor
391TrinketSpell DPSTrinketNecromantic Focus
391TrinketSpell HealTrinketJaws of Defeat
391TrinketSpell HealTrinketEye of Awareness
391TrinketSpell SpiritTrinketFiery Quintessence
391TrinketSpellTrinketMark of the Firelord
391TrinketTankTrinketScales of Life
391TrinketTankTrinketGift of the Greatfather
391TrinketTankTrinketStay of Execution
0QuestTimeless Eye
0ConsumableFool's Gold
0ConsumableWar Party Hitching Post
80OtherLiving Ember
20PetLandro's Lichling
20MountSavage Raptor
40MountArmored Razzashi Raptor
40MountSwift Zulian Panther
60MountAmani Dragonhawk
70MountFlameward Hippogryph
70MountReins of the Crimson Fire Hawk
70MountReins of the Beryl Fire Hawk



Patch 4.1 on PTR - Zul'aman and Zul'gurub are back!
Patch 4.1 is hitting the PTRs and is full of surprises!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
That's right, folks. Development on the first major content patch for World of Warcraft: Cataclysm is well underway! We're currently making preparations to bring some of the initial content and updates we've been working on for this patch to the Public Test Realms. So you ask, "what will we find in the first 4.1 test client?" (You did ask that, right?) Well, let me tell you!

The Gurubashi Tribe Persists

Originally a 20-player dungeon released in patch 1.7, Zul'Gurub will once again open its gates, featuring updated lore, all-new encounters, achievements, and improved loot! Zul'Gurub is now a level-85 five-player Heroic difficulty dungeon. To provide a new tier above the current Cataclysm dungeons, players can expect to find epic-quality item level 353 loot. The minimum average item level to enter this Heroic dungeon is 346.

The Return of Zul'Aman

Ever a player favorite, the level-70 ten-player dungeon of Zul'Aman is being reintroduced as a level-85 Heroic five-player dungeon. Zul'Aman will join Zul'Gurub in a new Dungeon Finder tier of Heroic dungeons, providing epic-quality item level 353 loot. The minimum average item level to enter this Heroic dungeon is also 346. While Zul'Aman will be more of a throwback to the original dungeon featuring many of the same encounters, players can expect to find some updated gameplay mechanics, as well as new environment textures and lighting.

With the Zuls returning, you may be wondering about the unique mounts that were once contained therein. We're pleased to announce that new versions of the rare raptor, tiger, and bear mounts will be available, while the old versions of these mounts will remain unique to those who already have them. We'll reveal more about how these updated mounts can be obtained in the future.

Class Design
While we do intend to make fewer balance changes in patch 4.1, you can still expect to find a fair number of updates. Below are just a few we'd like to share with you right now. Keep in mind these changes don't encompass the entirety of the 4.1 changes, nor do the initial Public Test Realm patch notes.

To start, we want to do a better job of balancing the AoE power of the different damage-dealing specs. You can expect to see some changes to this end made throughout the testing process.

Inner Rage is now available at level 56. It was intended to solve an excess rage problem that largely isn’t affecting warriors anymore. We’ve added a replacement ability for warriors at level 83: Rallying Cry.

Colossus Smash now ignores 70% of an opponent's armor, down from 100%. We are compensating Fury and Arms warriors by increasing the damage of other attacks.

Word of Glory: We want Retribution and Protection paladins to have reasonable healing on themselves or others, but we know paladins sometimes feel like they can’t use their Holy Power on anything but their heals in some situations. We’d rather these two specs spend most of their Holy Power on damage-dealing abilities, with occasional healing.

More To Come

We're still hard at work on additional features, balance updates, and bug fixes for patch 4.1. We look forward to sharing more information with you in the days and weeks ahead as we release new content on the Public Test Realms. Until then, have a look at the patch notes we've prepared thus far. As always, these notes are not final and will continue to change as we go through the iterative development and testing processes.

World of Warcraft PTR Patch 4.1
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Classes: General
  • All non-damaging interrupts off the global cooldown will now always hit the target. This includes Pummel, Shield Bash, Kick, Mind Freeze, Rebuke, Skull Bash, Counterspell, Wind Shear, Solar Beam, Silencing Shot, and related player pet abilities.

Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Dark Simulacrum now works on numerous additional spells in dungeon encounters.

Blood
  • Death Strike self-healing no longer generates threat.

Frost
  • Blood of the North (passive) now permanently converts both Blood Runes into Death Runes. There is no longer any proc interaction with Blood Strike required to activate Death Runes.

Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Efflorescence has a new spell effect.

Balance
  • Solar Beam is now more responsive when enemies move into or out of it.

Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Explosive Trap now has a new spell effect.
  • Master's Call now has a new spell effect.
  • Tame Beast now tames pets to match the hunter's level, rather than 5 levels below.

Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Fire
  • Ignite is no longer triggered from periodic critical effects.

Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Word of Glory now has a 20-second cooldown.

Holy
  • Walk in the Light (passive) removes the cooldown of Word of Glory.

Protection
  • Divine Guardian cooldown is now 3 minutes, up from 2.

Retribution
  • Divine Storm now generates 1 point of Holy Power if it hits (i.e. successfully lands on) 4 or more targets.
  • Sacred Shield's internal cooldown has been increased to 60 seconds, up from 30.

Priest (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Divine Aegis duration has been increased to 15 seconds, up from 12.
  • Dispel Magic can only be used on the casting priest as a baseline effect.
  • Holy Word: Sanctuary has a new spell effect.
  • Power Word: Shield duration has been reduced to 15 seconds, down from 30.

Discipline
  • Absolution (new passive) enables priests to use Dispel Magic on up to 2 harmful effects on friendly targets.

Holy
  • Absolution (new passive) enables priests to use Dispel Magic on up to 2 harmful effects on friendly targets.

Rogue (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Recuperate base effect now heals 3% per tick, up from 2%.
  • Stealth base cooldown has been reduced to 4 seconds, down from 10, and the movement penalty from being in Stealth has been removed.
  • Tricks of the Trade now has a 100-yard range, up from 20.

Combat
  • Improved Recuperate now adds 0.5%/1% to the health restoration effect of Recuperate, down from 1%/2%.

Subtlety
  • Nightstalker now reduces the cooldown of Stealth by 2/4 seconds, and instead of negating the movement penalty from Stealth, it adds a 5/10% movement speed bonus (stacking with other effects) while Stealthed.

Shaman (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Fire Nova has been redesigned and decoupled from shaman Fire totems. Instead, it now pulses that same area-of-effect from each target that is afflicted by the shaman's own Flame Shock debuff. It now damages all enemies except the target hit by Flame Shock. The ability's cooldown has been reduced from 4 seconds, down from 10.
  • Magma Totem now lasts for 60 seconds, up from 21.
  • Stoneclaw Totem's area-of-effect threat pulse no longer affects critters.

Elemental Combat
  • Earthquake is no longer a channeled spell. It now has a 2-second cast time, lasts for 10 seconds, and has a 10-second cooldown. Its damage has been reduced by 40% from its channeled version.

Enhancement
  • Improved Fire Nova has been redesigned and replaced by a talent called Seasoned Winds. When an enemy spell cast is successfully prevented with Wind Shear or Grounding Totem, the shaman gains magical resistance (in an amount equal to what a protection totem/aura would grant, stacking with such buffs) to the spell school(s) of the interrupted spell (except for Holy spells), lasting 10 seconds.

Warrior (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
  • Charge and Intercept no longer have diminishing returns on their stun effects.
  • Colossus Smash now ignores 70% of an opponent's armor, down from 100%.
  • Inner Rage is now available at level 56.
  • Intercept now has a 1.5-second stun, down from 3 seconds.
  • Overpower damage has been increased to 140% weapon damage, up from 125%.
  • Rallying Cry (new ability) is available from trainers at level 83. It temporarily grants the warrior and all party or raid members within 30 yards 20% of maximum health for 10 seconds. After the effect expires, the health is lost. It has no cost, no stance requirements, and is not on the global cooldown. It has a 3-minute cooldown, but also shares a cooldown with Last Stand.
  • Whirlwind now has its cooldown reduced by 6 seconds when it deals damage to 4 or more targets. The Whirlwind effect caused by Bladestorm remains unchanged.

Arms
  • Improved Hamstring now reduces the global cooldown on Hamstring by 0.5/1 seconds in addition to its current effects.
  • Improved Slam increases Slam damage by 20/40%, up from 10/20%.
  • Juggernaut no longer adds 2 seconds to the Charge stun, but instead lowers the cooldown of Charge by 3 seconds (to 12 seconds total).
  • Mortal Strike damage has been increased to 175% weapon damage, up from 150%.

Dungeons & Raids
  • New dungeons available for partial testing.
    • Zul'Aman has returned as a level-85 5-player Heroic dungeon featuring a revamp of the original dungeon and improved loot!
    • Zul'Gurub has returned as a level-85 5-player Heroic dungeon featuring all-new encounters, achievements, and improved loot!
    • Both dungeons will be in a new Dungeon Finder difficulty tier above the current level-85 Heroic dungeons and offer epic-quality item level 353 loot.
    • These dungeons may only partially be available for testing at this time. Stay tuned for additional updates.
  • Blackwing Descent
    • Flash Bomb (Golem Sentry ability) now has a more clear warning visual.
    • Magmaw now triggers a raid emote when summoning Lava Parasites.
    • Further improvements have been made in the Maloriak encounter to avoid Flash Freeze targeting the tanks.

Guilds
  • The Guild Perk, Cash Flow, no longer prints out text to the Chat Log. Instead, the daily amount deposited is shown in the Guild Vault Money Log. In addition, players can view the weekly contribution in a new window at the bottom of the Money Log.
  • We have added two new custom guild tabards as Guild Rewards. The tabards are account bound and offer a bonus to gaining guild reputation.

Items
  • The PvP Horde and Alliance trinkets have a new spell effect.

Professions
  • All major cities will now have every type of profession trainer and their associated trade supply vendors.

PvP
Battlegrounds
  • Twin Peaks
    • Graveyard Changes
    • Players will now only spawn at their base graveyard when they die in the enemy base.
    • Defending players will respawn at the middle graveyard.
    • Midfield players will respawn at the middle graveyard.
    • Attacking players will respawn at their base graveyard.

Races
  • The gnomish racial ability, Escape Artist, is no longer affected by the global cooldowns triggered by other abilities.
  • The human racial ability, Every Man for Himself, has a new spell effect.

User Interface
  • Work has begun on a new Looking for Guild system. Further details will be provided when we are ready for feedback.
  • Spells bound to a key now start to be cast when the button is pressed down by default, instead of waiting for the key to go up. This is an option that can be turned off in the Interface menu under Combat. Mouse clicking has not changed and operates on mouse click up.

Zul'aman and Zul'gurub are back!
Tons of changes indicate that Zul'aman and Zul'gurub are back as 5-man instances! I couldn't find anything about the Abyssal Maw dungeon mentioned briefly during Blizzcon for the moment, but Firelands seems there too.
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Camera
  • Caverns of Time - Caster Legendary - Camera Bunny 00 < OMMMMMGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Coldarra - Tarecgosa Intro - Camera 00

LFD Dungeons
  • Zul'Gurub
  • Zul'Aman
  • Random Cataclysm Heroic Tier 2

Map
  • FirelandsDailies

Phases
  • Stranglethorn - 4.1 - ZG Event
  • Hyjal Regrowth Invasion
  • Hyjal Regrowth Pre-Invasion A
  • Anachronos Vision
  • Forlorn Spire Assault
  • Tarecgosa Intro

Screen Effects
  • Silithus 4.x - Cenarion Hold Hallucination
  • Zul'Gurub 4.x - Jin'do Spirit World - Screen effect



Achievements Changes
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Dungeons & Raids
Cataclysm Dungeon
  • It's Not Easy Being Green Do not get hit by Bloodvenom, Pool of Acrid Tears, or Venomous Effusion in the High Priest Venoxis encounter in Zul'Gurub on Heroic difficulty.
  • Gurubashi Headhunter Defeat Gub, Mortaxx, Kaolema, Mor'Lek, the Florawing Hive Queen, a Lost Offspring of Ghaz'Ranka, and the Gurubashi Master Chef in Zul'Gurub on Heroic difficulty.
  • Tunnel Vision Defeat Halazzi in Zul'Aman on Heroic difficulty without killing any of his totems.

Exploration
Cataclysm

Eastern Kingdoms

General

Player vs. Player
Strand of the Ancients
  • Steady Hands now requires you to disarm 2 seaforium charges in a single battle, down from 5.

Professions
Fishing

Quests

Kalimdor

Reputation

Statistics
Dungeons & Raids
  • Tracking statistics have been added for all Cataclysm encounters. (Mostly used by addons)



Spell changes
Important - I am currently experimenting with new diffs, among other things we now have automated diffs and dual tooltips for all the changes. Regular recap posts will be available within the hour, it's just a faster way to get the information to you!

IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT A CHANGE, JUST PUT YOUR MOUSE ON THE SPELL LINK AND CHECK THE SHINY MAGIC TOOLTIP

Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Companion Pets
  • Landro's Lichling Right Click to summon or dismiss Landro's Lichling. Instant
  • Landro's Lil' XT Right Click to set down or pick up your Landro's Lil' XT action figure. Instant
  • Nightsaber Cub Right Click to summon and dismiss your Nightsaber Cub. Instant
  • Panther Cub Right Click to summon and dismiss your panther cub. Instant
  • Winterspring Cub Right Click to summon and dismiss your Winterspring cub. Instant

Mounts
  • Armored Razzashi Raptor Summons and dismisses a rideable Armored Razzashi Raptor. 1.5 sec cast
  • Beryl Fire Hawk Summons and dismisses a rideable Beryl Fire Hawk. This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
  • Crimson Fire Hawk Summons and dismisses a rideable Crimson Fire Hawk. This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
  • Flameward Hippogryph Summons and dismisses a rideable Flameward Hippogryph mount. This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
  • Mottled Drake Summons and dismisses a rideable Mottled Drake. 1.5 sec cast
  • Savage Raptor Summons and dismisses a rideable Savage Raptor. 1.5 sec cast
  • Swift Zulian Panther Summons and dismisses a swift Zulian panther. 1.5 sec cast

Blacksmithing
  • Blacksmithing: Elementium Earthguard now gives +170 Strength, down from 190. now gives 117 Mastery Rating, down from 127. now gives 117 Hit Rating, down from 127. Now has a Blue Socket (Socket Bonus: +15 Stamina)
  • Blacksmithing: Elementium Stormshield now gives +170 Intellect, down from 190. Now gives +122 Spirit, down from 127. Now gives 112 Haste Rating, down from 127. Now has a Red Socket (Socket Bonus: +10 Intellect)

Engineering

Inscription

Leatherworking
  • Leatherworking: Assassin's Chestplate now gives +321 Agility, down from 341. Now gives 173 Hit Rating, down from 183. Now gives 243 Critical Strike rating, down from 253. Now has a Red Socket (Socket Bonus: +10 Agility)
  • Leatherworking: Belt of Nefarious Whispers now gives +233 Agility, down from 253. Now gives 174 Hit Rating, down from 184. Now gives 134 Mastery Rating, down from 144. Now has a Red Socket (Socket Bonus: +10 Agility)
  • Leatherworking: Corded Viper Belt now gives +233 Agility, down from 253. Now gives 159 Critical Strike rating, down from 169. Now gives 159 Mastery rating, down from 169. Now has a Red Socket (Socket Bonus: +10 Agility)
  • Leatherworking: Dragonkiller Tunic now gives +231 Agility, down from 341. Now gives 249 Haste rating, down from 259. Now gives 163 Mastery rating, down from 173. Now has a Red Socket (Socket Bonus: +10 Agility)

Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Frost
  • Blood of the North now Permanently transforms your Blood Runes into Death Runes. Death Runes count as a Blood, Frost, or Unholy Rune.

Unholy
  • Dark Transformation now has a 100 yards range, up from 60.
  • Death's Advance now prevents movement-impairing effects from reducing you below 60/75% of normal movement speed, down from 75/100%.
  • Shadow Infusion now increases Ghoul damage by 6%, down from 8%.

Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Feral
  • Mangle now deals 260% normal damage plus 754, up from 235% plus 682.
  • Maul now scales from 26.4% of Attack Power, up from 24%.
  • Thrash now deals [202 + 12.8% of AP] to [249 + 12.8% of AP] damage instead of [202 + 15.4% of AP] damage. Bleed damage now scales from 6.51% of AP, down from 7.8%.

Balance
  • Moonfury now increases Arcane and Nature spell damage by 10%, down from 15%.

Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Beast Mastery

Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Arcane

Fire
  • Ignite now procs from non-periodic Fire damage spells.

Frost
  • Frostburn now increases your damage against Frozen targets by 5%, down from 20%.

Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Holy

Protection

Retribution
  • Divine Storm now grants a charge of Holy Power if it hits 4 or more targets.
  • Sacred Shield now cannot occur more than once every 60 sec, up from 30 sec.

Priest (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Discipline
  • Absolution (Mastery) *New* - Enables your Dispel Magic spell to be cast on friendly targets to remove 2 harmful magical effects.
  • Dispel Magic can now only be casted on yourself to remove harmful effects, and now only removes 1 beneficial spell from enemies, down from 2.
  • Power Word: Shield now costs 34% of base mana, up from 25%. Now lasts 15 sec, down from 30 sec.
  • Divine Aegis now lasts 15 sec, up from 12 sec.

Holy
  • Absolution (Mastery) *New* - Enables your Dispel Magic spell to be cast on friendly targets to remove 2 harmful magical effects.

Shadow
  • Shadow Power now increases Spell damage by 15%, down from 25%.

Rogue (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Combat
  • Recuperate now restores 3% of maximum health, up from 2%.
  • Improved Recuperate now increases Recuperate's ability to restore by an additional 0.5/1% of your maximum health, down from 1/2%.

Subtlety
  • Stealth now has a 4 sec cooldown. Apparently no longer reduces your speed.
  • Tricks of the Trade now has a 100 yards range, up from 20 yards.
  • Nightstalker now increases your speed while stealthed by 5/10%, down from 7/15%. Now reduces the cooldown of Stealth by 2/4 sec, down from 3/6 sec.

Shaman (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Elemental
  • Earthquake base damage has been reduced by 40%. The spell is no longer channeled and has a 2.5 sec cast time, a 10 sec cooldown, and now lasts 10 sec instead of 8 sec.
  • Fire Nova now has a 40 yards range, up from 30 yards. Cooldown reduced from 10 sec to 4 sec. Now Ignites your Flame Shock spell on any nearby enemies, causing each of them to emit a wave of flames that deals 647 to 724 Fire damage to every other enemy within 10 yards.
  • Improved Fire Nova has been replaced with Seasoned Winds - When you successfully prevent an enemy spellcast with Wind Shear or Grounding Totem, you gain [if (PL<=70) then PL else if (PL<=80) then PL+(PL-70)*5 else PL+(PL-70)*5+(PL-80)*7] resistance to that spell's magical school for 10 sec. (PL = Player Level, and if you're wondering, that's basically the same resist aura as any other spell)

Restoration
  • Purification now increases the effectiveness of healing spells by 25%, up from 10%.

Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Nothing! But I have a hug for you!

Warrior (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
Fury
  • Intercept now stuns for 1 sec, down from 3 sec.
  • Whirlwind now has its cooldown reduced by 6 sec. if it deals damage to 4 or more targets.

Arms
  • Rallying Cry *New* (Level 83) - Temporarily grants you and all party or raid members within 30 yards 20% of maximum health for 10 sec. After the effect expires, the health is lost. 3 min cooldown, Instant
  • Colossus Smash now bypass 70% of armor instead of 100%.
  • Mortal Strike now deals 175% weapon damage, up from 150%.
  • Overpower now deals 145% weapon damage, up from 125%.
  • Two-Handed Weapon Specialization (Mastery) now increases damage dealt with 2H weapons by 20%, up from 10%.
  • Improved Hamstring now also reduces the global cooldown of Hamstring by 0.5/1 sec.
  • Improved Slam now increases Slam's damage by 20/40%, up from 10/20%
  • Juggernaut now reduces the cooldown of Charge by 3 sec but no longer increases the stun duration.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.1 on PTR - Zul'aman and Zul'gurub are back! started by Boubouille View original post
Published on 2011-02-24 08:47 AM
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  1. Aristocat's Avatar
    "Random Cataclysm Heroic Tier 2" what does that mean?^^
  1. Vintersol's Avatar
    World of Recycling.....
  1. mmoc25376db926's Avatar
    LOL @ Raggys legs... xD
    YAY @ ZG and ZA Dungeons!! My hope for the mounts is back to 100%!
  1. Harith's Avatar
    ragnaros has legs WHAT!? oh dear lord those legs are to small, blizz give him back his old legs
  1. Esie's Avatar
    Wow, so this is how the game goes downfall I reckon.
  1. Vintersol's Avatar
    Raggys pose on the picture looks like the male NE ones....
  1. jlrm365's Avatar
    Complaints from the community are sure to fix that "Ragnaros has legs" issue!

    Loving the "new" dungeons news, though.
  1. Huntingbear_grimbatol's Avatar
    Ok, please please let the caster legendary be a 1handed. preff a mace or something.
  1. mmoc019083e5af's Avatar
    Yay, they are running out of ideas and keep recycling old content.... cmon Blizz.
  1. Zweetreet's Avatar
    Thanks for the warlock hug, needed that
  1. charnyl's Avatar
    Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
    Nothing! But I have a hug for you!

    Just wow! Glad there are other games to play until they lose the attitude, this is just insulting.
  1. Butler to Baby Sloths's Avatar
    so you need to be a discipline priest to be able to dispel magic from friendly targets?
  1. mmocef312064d1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    So by taking a mount that my self and other grinded for years to get and putting armor on it makes it better some how ? I'ts taking a piss from great hight at people that made an effort to get something rare, if you can't see the problem with the reoccurring use of this recycling then you are truly blind.

    And why do I have to quit if I don't like it, that is one of the worst arguments that is being used way to much these days. If everyone would follow that suggestion you wouldn't have a game to play as most people disagrees with something that is being changed. We shuld all be expecting much more then we are getting from Blizzard in my opinion, it's a multi billion dollar company that provides a semi tested product that reuses popular things from the past to please the masses, not exactly bang for your buck.

    If Blizzard spent all the income they get from selling the game and the subscriptions on the actual game then we wouldn't see shit like this, instead we get the watered down recycled content to fill the gaps while they funnel cash in to new projects. Where is our return on that risk capital ?
    First of all, this post is short-sighted. Taking a mount, reanimating it and then making it avaliable, is not a problem at all. The effort you've made to get something rare? IT'S STILL RARE. It's not going to be the same exact mounts, so where on earth did you get such impression?

    Recycling content is awesome, ZG would be completely pointless to do in 85, since a CLOTH user would be able to solo it, half sleeping while facerolling the keyboard, wide-equipped with a tongue to the mouse. It was a lvl 60 instance. What, you expected it to vanish? Blizzard won't let good stories die, now just face it. Before going further, no, i won't suggest you to leave. I suggest you to think it through once more before using the even more used term: "I am paying for this game, and i demand moderation and new stuff every X a time". - Nope, it's thier game, and i don't think we're wasting anything.

    Shit like this? It's great. We will get two awesome 5-man dungeons, where ZG was useless as lvl 60 raid instance for this expansion, yet ZA could use some awaited new content, since solo'ing it was beginning to get boring. We will get a new raid + area with daily quests (firelands), and maybe possibly a CoT raid. Hmm... yes. And new achievements and class changes. Again, remember, YOU are resposible yourself for doing something fun in the game, does it not entertain you, then it's probably not going your way.

    And before using, "i pay, my rules", nope. It's thier game, you pay for playing it, because elsewise this game would still be... yeah, go figure. Money is also being used for Titan and Diablo 3. Ehm,, that should cover it.
  1. mmoc1bb277a1a6's Avatar
    I was estatic when I heard that ZG and ZA are coming back. Both are my favorite instances and I almost had the war bear mount in TBC. Its also nice to hear that the tiger/raptor/bear will be coming back with new models.
  1. dascylus's Avatar
    I guess this means they axed the idea of the Abyssal Maw because we didn't want another annoying instance like Oculus.... or perhaps they just couldn't really figure out how to make an underwater instance without pissing us off to death yet.
  1. mmathes339's Avatar
    /smiles at guild
    Told you for months.
  1. Herecius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dascylus View Post
    I guess this means they axed the idea of the Abyssal Maw because we didn't want another annoying instance like Oculus.... or perhaps they just couldn't really figure out how to make an underwater instance without pissing us off to death yet.
    Or perhaps these aren't the complete patch notes. :P
  1. Culexus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    So by taking a mount that my self and other grinded for years to get and putting armor on it makes it better some how ? I'ts taking a piss from great hight at people that made an effort to get something rare, if you can't see the problem with the reoccurring use of this recycling then you are truly blind.

    And why do I have to quit if I don't like it, that is one of the worst arguments that is being used way to much these days. If everyone would follow that suggestion you wouldn't have a game to play as most people disagrees with something that is being changed. We shuld all be expecting much more then we are getting from Blizzard in my opinion, it's a multi billion dollar company that provides a semi tested product that reuses popular things from the past to please the masses, not exactly bang for your buck.

    If Blizzard spent all the income they get from selling the game and the subscriptions on the actual game then we wouldn't see shit like this, instead we get the watered down recycled content to fill the gaps while they funnel cash in to new projects. Where is our return on that risk capital ?
    Yeah because it took so much effort to roflstomp zulgurub 4 years after its release and having luck with rng. Your argument is invalid.
  1. mmoc03779e49a8's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueguy View Post
    ....I find one SIGNIFICANT problem with this. "Here, we want players to progress, so we're giving you ilevel -353- EPICS." .....This has bad idea written all over it.
    Starting T12-Content with iLvL 353-Gear is nearly the same as starting T11-Content with iLvl 346-Gear. In comparison, 353 is still a bit weaker for T12, since perhaps you recognized the difference of 13 iLvL between all steps of gear? Highest blue non-hc gear is iLvl 333, blue hc gear is 346, raid gear ist 359 and heroic raid gear is 372. So T12 gear will be 372 or 385, so 353 gear is a bit weaker for starting this content. Additionally there are only two instance with this kind of gear, so you will not be able to get a piece for every slot, even when factoring in gear for justice points and complaining about how easy it will be to then get the purples for what we pay valor points today is just stupid. I got every piece I need for valor points and even sold two BoE pieces for 1650 points each, so it doesn't lasted long to get all you need -.-
  1. Mang's Avatar
    Recycled content is getting pretty annoying.
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