Patch 4.1/4.2 Content - Firelands raid not in patch 4.1

Originally Posted by Superstring

Isn't it obvious, they postpone it because of Spring launch of the Old Republic.

you must be jokin :P my good friend (Bioware fanboy) was one of the unhappy beta testers of this crap he literary spit on that game ... why do you think there is no more news about new tests or so ??

Originally Posted by Kiro

BiS /= "done". Same boss, more HP, new ability aka HM, is still the same boss overall, and thus /= done. 12/12 = done though, like it or not. We've been done now for a couple weeks, people are not signing on anymore to do heroics, we're all bored and having a blast playing Rift. 4.1 maybe will be done in a month, maybe. Firelands won't be done for 2-3months after 4.1. Blizzard is failing here, and starving us of our content. What happened to "new content faster?!". Probably right next to the player housing, new animations, and dances. Thanks sheeple, thanks a lot for ruining my favorite game.

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Nope, it's not the other way around quit making stuff up, maybe that was the sheeple once again talking "if" anyone said that. If anything, it meant the quality of Ulduar v. ToC. No need to defend blizz here, they're big boys now.

Just because you can't do hardmodes (so, 12/13 for you, since there is a extra boss, so no content finished for you), does'nt mean that it's all done. Sorry. You're having a blast with Rift because it's more easy content for you.

And sorry, again, nobody really care if you're leaving to play Rift. Good/Bad for you. Nobody will try to "change your mind to make you stay".

Originally Posted by Sodia

you must be jokin :P my good friend (Bioware fanboy) was one of the unhappy beta testers of this crap he literary spit on that game ... why do you think there is no more news about new tests or so ??

Your friend of his brothers uncle?

Originally Posted by Wonocva

I don't understand why people keep saying "MORE WAIT?! UGH THIS IS RIDICULOUS! LOOK AT ULDUAR WHEN IT CAME OUT!"

Yes. It came out six months after Wrath of the Lich King came out. That was indeed 3.1

Guess how many months it's been since Cataclysm came out before they started patch 4.1 testing?

3.

December, January, February. It's not even half the time it took for 3.1 yet people are complaining as if we've been waiting for years.

Unless math suddenly became broken as heck, I'm pretty sure there's a massive amount of exaggeration here, mostly due to personal disappointment, not facts.

The Math breaks when 3.1 ppl were really tired of killing EVERYTHING since 1st week of WotLK launch and now they're tired of killing Magmaw and a few others for 3 months instead of 13/13 alread. So their math says that it's alread time for some new easy bosses to compensate the lack of 13/13 alread like it was in WotLK (yes, i'm putting Sarth3D in the same place as Sinestra, I shouldn't, but it's easier to compare this way, lol).

Originally Posted by Baikalsan

Your friend of his brothers uncle?

ohh did i hit a nerv (another Bio fanboy) read a news dude .....

As a person raiding just 2-3 days per week and still to finish current raid tier... I really dont know if this is smart move from BLizzard. Every major content pach should have both 5 man dungeons and raid content in my view. DOes that mean that there are gonna be 1 less raid tier this time around ? Or does it mean that there is more than 2 years to next WOW expansion? Even longer ? What I do know that they are not REALLY thinking about getting content out faster and they are DEFENTLY not making more content than in the past few years. The only thing they are thinking of is how freaquantly they send out bits of extra content.

So, in the expansion where we have the LEAST amount of content at the moment, Blizzards thinks that we DON'T need another tier of raiding?

... I quit.

My bs detector is getting crazy with these blue posts...

Wait 6 months and get alot of content or wait 4-5 months and get a little bit of content....?

One of our biggest regrets in the pacing of Wrath of the Lich King was the Crusaders' Coliseum. The Trial of the Champion 10- and 25-player raid was released while many raiders were still busy with Ulduar, which meant a premature end to Ulduar raiding

IIRC Coliseum released with gating system and limited attempts in heroic mode. Guild raiding Ulduar were still going back even after release of Coliseum. I though they will regret that place, troll raid in Zul'Drak or Nerubian empire would be much more cooler raid then this crap they made.

Originally Posted by Kilmir

The best guild on my server is at 7/13 HM now. My semi-casual 10m raidgroup is at 4/13 HM.
If 4.1 will take 2 more months and then another 2-3 months for 4.2 even my raid-2-days-a-week group will have all hardmodes done.

Although it's nice to have a bit more time, 4 months will be too long I think. Even 3 will be pushing it a bit.

If you're at 4/13 hard modes you're in the top 5% or so of the player base.

Look at wowprogress. Remember it measures only guilds that are "raiding," that is they've killed at least one raid boss. That's not even the entire player base.

17% of guilds have killed Nefarian in 10 or 25 normal, 25% on Al-Akir, and 33% chogall.

The highest heroic mode kill is Halfus, with only 14%, most heroic below that? the next highest heroic kill is Chimeron at 8%, and then Maloriak at 4%.

Although I agree to a certain extent that Blizz is probably waiting for something that won't happen. Most of the players that haven't seen end-game content by this point won't have a lot more progress this tier.

Bllizzard its march not april, TOO SOON for april fools jokes...Does this mean we will only have firelands and then deathwing? 2 raids at once in 4.2? Both far worse than just releasing it.

So, in the expansion where we have the LEAST amount of content at the moment, Blizzards thinks that we DON'T need another tier of raiding?

... I quit.

lol, it doesnt matter how much content it is, its how fast we go through it.
Naxx - Malygos - Sarth cleared only afew days after release,

BWD-BOT-TOTFW
Cleared 2 months after release,
and at this moment only 36 guilds have cleared it.

So what are you whining about?

EDIT: (obv talking about heroic aswell, and no. its not an excuse that naxx dident have hms.)

I couldnt agree more about the part Cata doesnt need a new raid tier just yet. Anyone who disagrees - post all your heroic raid achievements here, then you will be entitled to actually complain.

However I dont understand why it has to be called 4.1, couldnt it just simply be 4.0.9 or something? As said before I definitaly agree about WoW not needing a new raid tier so soon but I dont feel it is justified to have 4.1 that doesnt bring much and then immediately 4.2 bringing us a raid. Feels kinda like cheating with numbers, dunno why :P. Ever since TBC we always got a tier with X.X.0.0 patches so why break that logic?

Originally Posted by Sodia

ohh did i hit a nerv (another Bio fanboy) read a news dude .....

If you have nothing better to do than sit around and yell out "fanboy" whenever the wind shifts, please do it somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Superstring

Isn't it obvious, they postpone it because of Spring launch of the Old Republic.

That makes a lot more sense than any argument I've seen from either side.

Looks like they've changed their minds about content and returned to the vanilla mentality of releasing smaller patches more often... I remember them citing the reasoning that they wanted major content patches to have something for everyone instead of just something for a fraction of the playerbase when they first changed patching plans in BC so I guess they decided that it wasn't worth the time it took?

I kinda understand what they are doing but these heroics will get dull and boring after 2 days like every other heroic...

Okay, seems some "people" are really missing the point here.
Think about this and read this carefully please.

Its not too soon, doesnt matter where you are in progression. Your guild could be 1/13 and it still wouldnt be to soon. More content is better, regardless of how far 99% of the player base is, that will just give them even more to do.

So, lets say your main "point" is that then people wont see all the content we have now!! Aka they just go where the better loot is and they dont really care for the "content" anyway. People like that can just replace the word content with loot and be done with it. Nothing is stopping you from still doing all the old content. Lets say your guild stops you, or that would be an issue for allot of players, here is a very simple solution. BLIZZARD PUTS IN A QUEST TO KILL NEFARIAN BEFORE YOU CAN ENTER THE NEXT RAID, when they have their decent number they seem to want that have done the content, remove the attunement.

Thing is guys, with this, who loses? The casual players dont lose, cause they are still progressing, maybe they even have more inspiration to clear the current content faster, making them progress at a decent pace. The hardcore guilds get new content too, which everyone will see later. I just do not see a downside.

Now this is purely speculation, but its solid speculation: Blizzard, a multi billion $ company cant even finish enough content for their player base and they are pushing stuff back. The blue post almost confirms it, just in a sneaky way, giving people some content and making it sound "better". They are dropping the ball, that blue post was like a fluff piece.

They knew the news will split the community into a hardcore/casual debate where one side keeps flaming the other, dropping our focus from the real problem, blizzard themselves.

Think about this, with my suggestion, does anyone actually lose out on content? Does it negatively effect any part of the player base?

Good. Blizzard finally learned their lesson from TBC and WotLK. Naxx, Ulduar and TOC were out for 4-5 months when Blizzard released the next tier. That meant that ICC lasted an entire year. Sunwell lasted for 8-9 months. There's no reason to rush the first few content patches out and have the final content patch last too long.