Build 13750 Strings and Weekly Daily Quest Reset, March 16 Hotfixes, Blue Posts

Originally Posted by Keosen

Did a blizzard employee coming to your house everyday with a whip and threatens you to log in and do the daily?

yeah, almost

Originally Posted by lexonio

There is a problem with this new "7 first heroics a week" system, albeit a small one.
Sometimes I don't need VP, I need JP (you know, heirlooms and stuff), and sitting through one heroic that awarded VP was okay, but not through seven each week T__T

Remember each heroic dungeon boss kill still awards 70 JP. You just won't be getting extra JP as your reward from finishing a random dungeon the first seven times in that week; you will get VP instead. But you will never stop accumulating JP, and considering that 5 bosses equal 350 JP, I don't think you really have a problem.

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Originally Posted by Butch

ZA and ZG are on a seperate queue("Random Rise of the Zandalari Heroic") from the "old" heroics("Random Cataclysm Heroic"). You get 140 VP each from the first 7 ZA/ZG each week, and 70 VP each from the first "old" heroics each week. Just checked it ingame on the PTR.

This is interesting. I suppose that heroics from the Zandalari Tier and the Normal Tier will both count towards the seven-a-week limit on randoms with VP rewards. Otherwise, the potential weekly intake of VP will have gone over the 1250 cap, based on heroic 5-mans alone (490+980 = 1470 VP), albeit requiring a ridiculous 14 random heroic dungeon runs a week, 7 on each tier.

Then again, and even though I highly doubt it will be the case, this may be exactly what Blizzard is aiming for. I say this given the fact that it remains impossible to complete Tier Sets with VP alone and there is no access to 356 Epic weapons, bracers and neck pieces or additional 356 Epic rings/trinkets/cloaks without raiding. And then there are Heroic Raids and their further upgraded rewards.

So regardless, the raiding community will always have better gear on average than the non-raiding community. Greater risk would continue offering greater rewards. This would also enable and encourage more PuG raids among the non-raiding community, since gear levels would be less disparate. So it might not be a bad thing if they do implement it this way.

I dont get why they keep nerfing valiona... it was well tuned encounter month ago....
Now is easy peasy oneshot roflmao

Originally Posted by Bloomy

I dont get why they keep nerfing valiona... it was well tuned encounter month ago....
Now is easy peasy oneshot roflmao

Ok 11yo troll go away now.

Hm, i shouldn´t post it, but i hate it when blizzard nervs bosses like omnotorn, magmaw +valiona were all fights were OK as they were, nothing really difficult after u killed them once in HC mode. But yeah i know, can´t blame Blizzard for making again content easier.

Sometimes nervs are ok, like at atramedes when u couldn´t kill him without an exploit at the beginning of the content release, but these "fixes" are nothing more then, to get more ppl to beat them. Hm ok maybe that isn´t bad at all, so we see firelands a bit earlier

this change to the daily HC is mind bogling.....so the casual players who dont get a chance to play all week now can still get the rewards of the person that has the spare time to invest. So i ask you why do we play this game all week when now we can just log on at teh weekend, do our weeks worth of dailies and log off till raid time. this is the downfall of wow imo.

Why would i make my tank join the queue every day, now that i can just get 4 friends and steam roll 7 Hcs and be done for the week. this will make the LFG system even longer

My issue with HoO, if they are not going to change the optional boss's, then don't make a quest wher you have to take all 4 down, still have 3 85's that I need to finish that quest......selfish tanks :P

Originally Posted by Archermit

... So i ask you why do we play this game all week when now we can just log on at teh weekend, do our weeks worth of dailies and log off till raid time...

You don't HAVE to play every day for hours, it's just a game. There's so many things you can do...go out, see friends, watch some TV, read a book, play another game, get a gf/bf...even Blizzard tells you to take everything in moderation. You might be doing it wrong...
It usually is a bad thing getting hung up to ONE activity only; you miss so much in life and you only realise it late, sometimes too late. Think about the big picture.

and there goes blizzard nerfing the FUN factor of the game again

why change stuff like kiting shandris, you could kite friggin lord kazzak back in vanilla

Originally Posted by huldu

As a dps you're still stuck in the queue for 30+ min before even getting a group. How about blizzard actually stepping up and fixing the dungeons in cataclysm. In wotlk the queue time for a dps was around 5-15 min. That is okay. Having to wait 30+ min for a group in cataclysm and it being a high chance of failure just isn't right.

I don't know how everyone is thinking who keeps saying Blizz should "fix" the queues. HOW?

Blizzard can't fix this. Queue times depends on the number of people willing to tank/heal. Most people can't be arsed to do that, because it requires a bit more responsibility than facerolling as a dps, so they will have to accept queueing. It's that simple. You have a choice.

You're willing to take on the responsibility of tanking? Great, you can get in instantly.

You're willing to be the healer? Great, you will have short queues.

You refuse to take on the responsibility of tanking/healing? Fine, but you have to wait then.

Clearly most people prefer the last option, they don't mind waiting in order to avoid the responsibility. If people were not OK with waiting, they would have respecced/rerolled. I know there are "pure dps", but I see more dps DKs, dps Warriors, dps druids, dps palas, dps shamans, priests than locks/mages/rogues/hunters in groups. These have all made a choice to rather wait than heal/tank.

Only thing I could see Blizz do to "fix" the queues is things like giving tanks and healers twice the valor points for dungeon and some such, which is never going to happen because the forums would drown in a flood of tears.

GFX API switch in game options. Yay no more stupid read-only shortcut.

Loving the heroic weekly cap instead. This will make it feel like I "must" get on to complete my daily heroic less important.

Originally Posted by Azrile

It will be interesting to see how the ´daily heroic' works when we have ZA and ZG. I remember there were a lot of times in WOTLK after the LK 5mans were introduced that a lot of tanks would queue, and then drop group if HOR or POS came up. (especially HOR). It looks almost like they are going to ´force´us to do only ZA and ZG in order to get valor??

I like the 7 per week rather than 1 per day. I never get to play on weekends.

Well at the moment on the ptr you have 2 sets of heroics ZG and ZA on a seprate queue and all the rest on the other and if you queue for ZA or ZG randoms it awards 140 valour.

Shandris Feathermoon can no longer be pulled too far from her default location before resetting (i.e. she won’t be waging war from the Orgrimmar Auction House anymore).

Well, the most interesting thing that happened to Org in recent months is now gone. I actually liked this, it brought a little excitement to the boredom that this game has become.

Originally Posted by bregtann

I don't know how everyone is thinking who keeps saying Blizz should "fix" the queues. HOW?

Blizzard can't fix this. Queue times depends on the number of people willing to tank/heal. Most people can't be arsed to do that, because it requires a bit more responsibility than facerolling as a dps, so they will have to accept queueing. It's that simple. You have a choice.

I rolled a dps priest. I have an *offspec* of healing. Out the box my priority leveling to 85 from 80 was dps. I chose dps items, (re-)learnt my dps rotation and this continued through normal and heroic dungeons. It's still my main spec.

I then had to re-learn how to heal since the bad habits that WotLK taught combined with the addition of chakra ment that healing needed a new rotation.

However, you've clearly never healed in dps gear in cata. Even Normals were difficult at best and I only leveled the healing offspec to help raid progress. Most of the items in my healing offspec are JP items, and I still don't have any healing rings.

You say people have a choice and my choice was to do dps. It was not that I didn't want to take on the responsibility of healing, and my class excludes me from tanking (however everyone knows in a clutch a spriest makes a great tank).

Most pugs do not understand that most mechanics in Cata dungeons are that you can AVOID ALL DAMAGE unless you do something silly. There are VERY FEW instances of AoE damage outside of boss fights. Even then the tank or other capable classes can interrupt a great deal of damage. If dps realized this fact and combined it with the fact that generating aggro isn't simple anymore for most tank classes, then they'd put less pressure on the healers and tanks and more people would be inclined to heal or tank.

When I heal PuGs (which is rare, but it'll happen sometimes), and a DPS doesn't understand the above fact, then they'll find themselves skipping a healing pass. If they die in that gap then, well, they shouldn't be so silly. Ripping aggro from the tank, standing in the fire, not clustering up to share the rare "AoE-divided-by-people-hit" damage.. this'll cause damage to you that I won't be so quick in healing. Do it once and I'll forgive, do it often and you'll die until you learn. Don't like it? Either ask why you're dying so much and take notes on the reply (which won't be "lol u suk, l2p") and you'll have a better time. This in turn will make the tank have a better time, and even make those in the group who are a healing or tanking offspec capable class reconsider healing/tanking.

Being said, my lv85 pala is prot as mainspec and I still queue up with that as a tank. I'm just slightly less evil at letting people die than on my holy spec priest.


In answer to the fixing of the queue, they should have a buff for pug healers/tanks like luck of the draw, but only applies to them (tank one would increase the aggro they generate by 5/10/15%, healing one would decrease the mana cost of healing spells by 5/10/15%). They should then remove/nerf the healing bonus from luck of the draw. This, in my eyes, will encourage more people to heal/tank.

Apparently, Blizzard is going to change the daily dungeon quest to a 7 daily quests/week cap instead of 1 quest/day. Obviously this change will make the life of players considerably easier, especially for those of you who have a lot of rerolls or only play on week ends. Of course, nothing confirmed yet, etc etc etc ...

Hell ya! thank you blizzard. since i don't have time to play everyday i can just finish all the remaining "daily dungeon quest" on the weekends

great change!!!

Originally Posted by damaniac82

Hello 1 hour DPS queue times during Monday & Tuesday (europe).... I'm tank so i'm about 101% sure, i'll do my HCs on day 1 each week, but i still feel sorry for DPSers regarding queue times getting even worse now.

Seriously now, you can do 7 Cataclysm heroics in one night?

I tried to grind out emblems for Heirlooms one evening during Wrath. On a tank. I couldn't get 7 in; I think I stopped at 4 or 5 at which point I was kind of crispy. And that was in Wrath, where you could do 3 heroics in an hour, and it was after the speedups for Occ so even that wasn't slow. Even though they were easy we blew through them at a relentless pace and it gets to you after a while.

7 Cata heroics in a row might just do me in. I'd need the rest of the week to recover.

Maybe people who aren't working that day and don't have a spouse and children to worry about and/or don't have a raid scheduled that night might knock out all 7 in one day, but that's a serious stretch.

I think Monday might be rough, and I think Thursday might be rough. I think the majority will use this to get in maybe 2 in a day since they won't have a chance on another day to pick it up.

On a side note, I wish they'd do this with other dailies as well (*cough*JC*cough*).

Originally Posted by Archermit

this change to the daily HC is mind bogling.....so the casual players who dont get a chance to play all week now can still get the rewards of the person that has the spare time to invest. So i ask you why do we play this game all week when now we can just log on at teh weekend, do our weeks worth of dailies and log off till raid time. this is the downfall of wow imo.

Why would i make my tank join the queue every day, now that i can just get 4 friends and steam roll 7 Hcs and be done for the week. this will make the LFG system even longer

He's still playing the same amount of time, just in a more concentrated burst. If it takes you 45 minutes X7 days to do your randoms you've spent a little over 5 hours in randoms. If it takes him a little over 5 hours on Saturday he's spent a little over 5 hours. If you divide yours up and then play your alt on Saturday, or farm, no problem you're getting more than he is. Some people's schedule allows them to play a little bit everyday, other people schedule allows them to play a lot on one day, but not much otherwise. If you happen to be one of the people (lucky?) that can play a lot everyday, then you'll just have more stuff you can do after you've either done your daily or ground out all 7.

ETA: There'll be at least one tank available on days other than Tues. You can bet your ass I'm not grinding seven heroics every Tuesday night. 2-3 is definitely my limit.

The fact that we can't stack our glove enchant with trinkets and the like is really stupid. They need to remove the cooldown it puts on other on use items. Stop giving engineering the shaft!

someone said it the best on the wow forums.

Valor after the first tier is a terrible model. Being forced to farm 2 year old heroics for endgame tier is just insulting. Pretty much came down to raid for gear. In my opinion they are right.

Forcing us to continue to run heroics to get current gear sucks. If you need the gear you'll be raiding anyway and get it, but due to the valor thing, and also putting in hours on progressional fights you might not hit your cap weekly raiding. alas still farming for the next teir of endgame gear via two year old shit.

IMO just remove the fucking valor shit.