Cross-Realm Dungeon Feature Coming Soon

Originally Posted by ZyngaFail

What you fail to acknowledge is that other games still manage to do just fine without charging you for any of these premium services or for that matter even charging a fee. And insulting my chromosomes (did they just teach you that in school?) is not going to change that.

dindnt mean to confuse you by using "big" words... what you fail to acknowledge is that wow being a subscription based game has played a huge role in its its success. Which of those free games have stayed dynamic (still with me?) for a bigger part of the decade, with over 10 million fan base, live in-game support, huge development department, consistent content updating etc..? the answer, in case you are wondering is "0". Can you just for a second pause to think about the amount of technicians, hardware and software it takes to keep 10 million+ people online? What about the amount of servers it takes to hold ALL the data of current and past characters, items, gear, pets, mounts, achievements, completed quests ... i can go on and on but i think you get the point. Now dont get me wrong i am not saying blizz is spending every dime it makes back on wow, but why should they? after all they are not simply doing this just for fun, they are a business that is trying to generate as much revenue as possible.

you and everyone QQing on these forums need to realize that the world isnt going to end if you cant/choose not to afford the premium features. In fact your basic gaming experience is not going to be drastically altered by being able to run 5 mans with RealID friends. Its just a nice perk. If you choose to pay for it then by all means more power to you, but if you dont feel like this is something you want to pay for (i fall in the latter category) then no one is forcing this down your throat. And if you feel like you are not getting your money's worth from wow then simply quit... what is the point of making massive QQ threads on FANSITE Forums (as in this is not a blizz monitored forum, anything you say on here is pretty useless in terms of making a difference in wow development). Go play other games "that manage to do fine without charging you for premium services".
Calm down and just play the game. You DONT need to spend hundreds of dollars for pets, mounts, TCG or anything else to have a good time.

this thread needs to be locked because its completely useless and its just a bunch of crybabies reposting same thing over and over again for 50+ pages

Originally Posted by Brodeo

Probably. Most adults realize that things cost money. You're paying for the best in the business.

Another false assumption good sir. They aren't getting my money.

And for the record, adults like getting their money's worth.

I'm really not enjoying the way these paid services are going. Paying for sparkle ponies and pets was cosmetic. This is paying for playing content with friends and crossing a line I thought Blizzard would not go.

Coming soon to wow. The item mall. Of course this will be a premium service.

Originally Posted by Maklor

If it actually was so simple you'd be right but the whole "this is optional" argument doesn't really work when it's the concept you have a problem with.

As has been mentioned 1,000 times before Blizzard are employing BOTH subscription fee AND premium services I find that appalling, you don't have to agree with me but that's my opinion.

Did you throw a hissy fit when Blizzard implemented server transfers? Race changes? Name changes? Faction changes? Arena Tournement Realms?

Cause those are all premium services.

Originally Posted by Elethiem

I'm really not enjoying the way these paid services are going. Paying for sparkle ponies and pets was cosmetic. This is paying for playing content with friends and crossing a line I thought Blizzard would not go.

Server and faction transfers were the same line. This is just making it easier. NOTHING IS CHANGING FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST. Ignore it if you hate it, your gameplay experience will not change.

Originally Posted by Wheeler

How hard is it for you people to get this?

15.00 per MONTH DOESN'T EQUAL FREE

when you got to buy a car they offer you the crappy "stock" version with cloth seats, garbage sound system and 15 inch rims, no A/C for 20k.... if you want the nice chrome 19's, phat Bose sound system, nice wood panel trimming, heated leather seats etc you need to pay EXTRA!!! omg Shocker! the "basic" purchase didint come with all these nice (but NOT crucial) extra features...

ffs even McDonalds charges you 25 cents to put a piece of cheese on your damn burger. i dont get why this is so hard for everyone to grasp!

Originally Posted by Maklor

If it actually was so simple you'd be right but the whole "this is optional" argument doesn't really work when it's the concept you have a problem with.

As has been mentioned 1,000 times before Blizzard are employing BOTH subscription fee AND premium services I find that appalling, you don't have to agree with me but that's my opinion.


Maybe instead of focusing on my "opposition" you should read what I say instead.

What concept? Paying for services? Do you pay admission at amusement park and bitch cuz the cotton candy isnt free?

Originally Posted by Brodeo

How so? Does your cable get cheaper every year? It costs money to run a company. You paid for a FRACTION of what cata cost to make when you got it, but you didnt pay for 4.1 or 4.2 or anything else. $15 per month is a tiny expense for the amount of features and content blizzard rolls out. And on top of that, they employ the best in the business.

If you dont like that you have to pay for this, dont use it. If playing with your friends was so important, youd have swapped servers by now (and spent the money). If blizzard never posted this you would have nothing to bitch about, so pretend they didnt.

ugh... with the 11 mill+ people paying them $15 a month, im sure blizz isnt getting bankrupt..

i understand FREE mmos like WoT or stuff charging money for some features...
premium features for more money in WoW will become a disaster.

Originally Posted by Wheeler

How hard is it for you people to get this?

15.00 per MONTH DOESN'T EQUAL FREE

Let them charge you to raid, let them charge you to use the lfd tool entirely, let them charge you for more premium services, i don't care about blizzard charging for mobile apps or mount or pets but when they start charging for features that is something i have a issue with.

They already charge for features. lol

You guys are silly.

Originally Posted by OmerIL85

ugh... with the 11 mill+ people paying them $15 a month, im sure blizz isnt getting bankrupt..

i understand FREE mmos like WoT or stuff charging money for some features...
premium features for more money in WoW will become a disaster.

A company's goal isnt to avid bankruptcy, its to thrive. Youre funding future content, diablo 3, titan, administration, promotion, blizzcon, etc etc.

but not important ones, Ranor...

what will come next? a premium only raid?

Originally Posted by ;

A company's goal isnt to avid bankruptcy, its to thrive. Youre funding future content, diablo 3, titan, administration, promotion, blizzcon, etc etc.

i was exaggerating... 11 mill players ( give or take) = 165 mill a month... give me another gaming company with that income

Originally Posted by Toffie

Stop whinning you fools, blizzard have to make up for the 600k subscribers they lost. No one is forcing you to buy it.

Normally i would agree with something like this, If it was a "premium" feature like faction change, race change or a server transfer, but its not, It's an in-game feature that you have to pay for. If you don't say something about it now they'll keep doing this and nickle and dime everything start charging you for boa gear, "premium" bossess, where will it end?

I had extra time on this game and was thinking about re subbing and my sub ends tomorrow, need less to say I'm not renewing it, the game wasn't even that good to begin with now they're showing their true selves and I'm not going to pay for their shit anymore.

Originally Posted by Creptius

Normally i would agree with something like this, If it was a "premium" feature like faction change, race change or a server transfer, but its not, It's an in-game feature that you have to pay for. If you don't say something about it now they'll keep doing this and nickle and dime everything start charging you for boa gear, "premium" bossess, where will it end?

I had extra time on this game and was thinking about re subbing and my sub ends tomorrow, need less to say I'm not renewing it, the game wasn't even that good to begin with now they're showing their true selves and I'm not going to pay for their shit anymore.

Absolutely this.

It's a slippery slope, and if we don't say something, this will be the first of many "Premium" in-game features.

Beware of micro-transactions.

Originally Posted by OmerIL85

but not important ones, Ranor...

what will come next? a premium only raid?

5 man heroics with your friends aren't important. Not in the slightest. Stop blowing shit out of proportion. -nothing- about this service is important, required, or gamebreaking.

Blizzard wouldn't be releasing it if it was gamebreaking. Get a grip.

Originally Posted by Brodeo

Server and faction transfers were the same line. This is just making it easier. NOTHING IS CHANGING FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST. Ignore it if you hate it, your gameplay experience will not change.

This is not a product I would use, but it is a sign of Blizzard's mentality changing. As others mentioned, we are on the slippery slope heading towards bad things.

1. Faction transfers
2. Pets for charity.
3. Pets.
4. Mounts.
5. Remote Auction house tools.
6. Real ID friend grouping.
......
15. The all new "Optional raid" for premium customers that you don't need to do, but could if you wanted to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Brodeo

Probably. Most adults realize that things cost money. You're paying for the best in the business.

I doubt many of you have ever done any programming or 3d art/animation, but it takes a lot of time. Time is the most expensive resource on the market, moreso when you employ the very best at their craft.

I dont see whats so hard to understand about that. Nowhere else int he world would people feel so entitled to optional features for free. World doesnt work that way.

I am a software developer. I have worked for my fair share of failed startups and one of the signs of impending doom was when they started to fleece the existing customer base because they had issues getting new customers. They would try to get every nickel and dime out of the customer base before they all jumped ship.

I am not saying that Blizzard or WoW is facing impending doom, just that fleecing existing customers is a foul business move, and is tarnishing the name of Blizzard. Even if WoW has lost 600,000 subscribers, I am sure they are healthy enough from the rest of the monthly income to keep pushing new content and features. If not, then Blizzard has bigger issues.

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

Blizzard Entertainment - July 17th 2011

- We are preparing to launch a new way to playing our game to our players in the next patch. Patch 4.4 will introduce 3 new 5 player dungeons and daily quest hubs in Twilight Highlands. Not only are we giving you new content, we are introducing a new system on how our players interact with the content. Patch 4.4 will introduce the Premium account! For a small fee players will unlock a premium account which will allow them to do even more things in the Warcraft world.

+ New haircuts, new skin colors, new facial features and the introduction of tattoos!
+ Players will also have access to the dance studio to create new dances for their characters!
+ With the new 4.4 5 man dungeons were are introducing "Premium" mode... which will be just a bit harder than Heroic mode and will reward the players with "Premium Points" which they can turn in to the "Premium Vendor" to buy the current level of epics from raid content! Any item from any boss will be on the "Premium Vendor" including Legendary items. Earlier 5 man dungeons will be folded into the Premium system in later patches.
+ Premium mounts and pets.
+ Cross-Realm Dungeon feature will also finally release!
+ Premiun players will also be able to access the LFR system. LFR system is much like LFD except it will allow players to randomally queue for 10/25 player raids.

Fanboys here are making the most inane arguments I have ever seen.

Database software has made server administration cheaper than it ever was in 2005. Bandwidth and server costs are a fraction of what they were in 2005. Processor speeds and new software have also made modeling and world creation cheaper than ever. Yet the subscription price has remained the same while Cata featured the least content of any expansion by any objective measure and the slowest tier release schedule.

So while their profits are at an all-time high and their costs have FALLEN, they want to charge a premium on top of their premium?

Not only is this complete BS, it's incredibly bad business. You do not raise prices when demand for your product is falling!

I spent over $1500 on this game during my years of subscription fees and expansions. Anyone who throws the word "entitlement" out there in the face of those kinds of costs needs to stop paying for the game with daddy's credit card.