Cross-Realm Dungeon Feature Coming Soon

Paid service.... lol nty.

Originally Posted by Harmzuay

Be happy that it isn't premium? I don't know what to tell you, man.

That's my point.

There's no feasible justification for them to be charging extra for the feature. They've proven they can add complex cross server features without having to place any extra burden of cost upon subscribers. In fact, the cross server LFD and RealID systems arguably laid all of the foundation required for this new "premium" feature to exist.

Well, okay let me amend that... there's no feasible justification aside from that they just want to milk more money out of their customer base.

Defend that if you want. For me, I'd rather not be treated like a consumer whore.

Originally Posted by Harmzuay

It's also not my fault that you don't understand how being thrown into a random pool of thousands of players (LFD) differs from initiating a dungeon invite to a specific person on another realm.

Except that I do understand the difference? If that was an attempt at an insult, it was pretty feeble.

To the original comment, the guy made an obviously sarcastic comment and you called it bitching. I made fun of you for not getting it. Not sure how your insult makes any sense.

Originally Posted by Ceridith

Defend that if you want. For me, I'd rather not be treated like a consumer whore.

Then take your money elsewhere. That's the beauty of capitalism.

Originally Posted by Ceridith

That's my point.

There's no feasible justification for them to be charging extra for the feature. They've proven they can add complex cross server features without having to place any extra burden of cost upon subscribers. In fact, the cross server LFD and RealID systems arguably laid all of the foundation required for this new "premium" feature to exist.

Well, okay let me amend that... there's no feasible justification aside from that they just want to milk more money out of their customer base.

Defend that if you want. For me, I'd rather not be treated like a consumer whore.

They don't need "feasible justification." IF they provide it, it's basically textual vagisil for forums nerds that have gotten some sand in an awkward spot.

If you don't want to be treated like a whore, why are you saying that it's a (possible) couple dollars that makes the difference?

Originally Posted by Ceridith

There's no feasible justification for them to be charging extra for the feature. They've proven they can add complex cross server features without having to place any extra burden of cost upon subscribers. In fact, the cross server LFD and RealID systems arguably laid all of the foundation required for this new "premium" feature to exist.

Well, okay let me amend that... there's no feasible justification aside from that they just want to milk more money out of their customer base.

Defend that if you want. For me, I'd rather not be treated like a consumer whore.

Maybe there's no "feasible justification" to you, but it's not like you work there. They're a BUSINESS. Making money is their justification. It's not to provide a feel-good game to the world. If they do that in order to make money, good on them.

Your point about the cross server LFD and RealID is true, and perhaps their plan all along was to have this premium feature in order to pay for the cost of implementing both cross server LFD and RealID. Suddenly everyone's a friggin' accountant and knows every penny Blizzard spends.

And why is everyone so outraged that they want to make money? They're a business, not a charity. If you don't like it, don't pay for the premium or don't play, if you're too good to be treated like a "consumer whore".

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Originally Posted by Ceridith

Not complaining, simply asking what the justification is for them to give one feature away for free, then turn around and start charging for another.

You're not dating Blizzard, they don't owe you a justification.

Blizzard deleting and locking all feedback on this service, seems pretty low in my point of view.

Originally Posted by Zdrasti

Except that I do understand the difference? If that was an attempt at an insult, it was pretty feeble.

To the original comment, the guy made an obviously sarcastic comment and you called it bitching. I made fun of you for not getting it. Not sure how your insult makes any sense.

Yeah, I get it. It's just that people gripe about everything. If you want LFD to be a paid service, I'm sure Blizzard would be happy to oblige. The LFD tool was created as a game changer. It was going to be the backbone of the dungeon system. This cross server friends thing is a totally different animal. The only connection between the two is that you're using the LFD once your party is created. You need the LFD system to make the cross-server invites work. Why would you make people pay for what is the backbone of a big portion of the game?

Originally Posted by Kragragh

Maybe there's no "feasible justification" to you, but it's not like you work there. They're a BUSINESS. Making money is their justification. It's not to provide a feel-good game to the world. If they do that in order to make money, good on them.

Your point about the cross server LFD and RealID is true, and perhaps their plan all along was to have this premium feature in order to pay for the cost of implementing both cross server LFD and RealID. Suddenly everyone's a friggin' accountant and knows every penny Blizzard spends.

And why is everyone so outraged that they want to make money? They're a business, not a charity. If you don't like it, don't pay for the premium or don't play, if you're too good to be treated like a "consumer whore".

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You're not dating Blizzard, they don't owe you a justification.

One of the most important things in business is your reputation. When you do things like this to make a quick buck at the expense of your reputation, you risk losing money in the long term. And since they are a business and money is their end goal, they need to care about their reputation.

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Originally Posted by Harmzuay

Yeah, I get it. It's just that people gripe about everything. If you want LFD to be a paid service, I'm sure Blizzard would be happy to oblige. The LFD tool was created as a game changer. It was going to be the backbone of the dungeon system. This cross server friends thing is a totally different animal. The only connection between the two is that you're using the LFD once your party is created. You need the LFD system to make the cross-server invites work. Why would you make people pay for what is the backbone of a big portion of the game?

The point was that you shouldn't have to pay for either, as they both impact gameplay.

Originally Posted by Zdrasti

The point was that you shouldn't have to pay for either, as they both impact gameplay.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I just don't see how you can equate the two.

ANOTHER premium service? Is Kotick secretly the CEO of Blizzard now? This is getting ridiculous...I miss vanilla, there was none of this BS back then. $20 for the gane, $10 for BC $40 for wotlk $40 for cata, $15 every month, $25 to change your realm/name/whatever, anything in the pet store is stupid and now you have to pay to play with your friends...
What if you meet someone irl:
"Hey, do you play WoW?
"Yeah!"
"What server?"
"Argent Dawn"
"oh, I'm on Alleria"
"Damn...hey, lets pay them more money so we can play the game together!"

No other MMO has encouraged me to solo-play like this one...

Originally Posted by Velyndina

ANOTHER premium service? Is Kotick secretly the CEO of Blizzard now? This is getting ridiculous...I miss vanilla, there was none of this BS back then. $20 for the gane, $10 for BC $40 for wotlk $40 for cata, $15 every month, $25 to change your realm/name/whatever, anything in the pet store is stupid and now you have to pay to play with your friends...
What if you meet someone irl:
"Hey, do you play WoW?
"Yeah!"
"What server?"
"Argent Dawn"
"oh, I'm on Alleria"
"Damn...hey, lets pay them more money so we can play the game together!"

No other MMO has encouraged me to solo-play like this one...

Yeah, having optional choices is SUCH a bad thing...remember the good ol' days when everything was broken?

This is how it was back then to follow your logic:
What if you meet someone irl:
"Hey, do you play WoW?
"Yeah!"
"What server?"
"Argent Dawn"
"oh, I'm on Alleria"
"Damn...we'll never be able to play together unless you level a character on my server. Bye!"

Originally Posted by Harmzuay

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I just don't see how you can equate the two.

Theyre not identical, but they share the same aspect of impacting your gameplay. To see the impact consider what you can do in game with a service and if you can do all the same things if you were denied that service. I think what you're getting at is that LFD has a much greater impact on your gameplay and I'll agree to that. However, there is a difference between being able to group with people from another server and not. They both impact gameplay.

And just for comparison sake, consider the sparkle pony. What you can and cannot do in game is completely unaffected by this mount. It does not affect gameplay.

Originally Posted by Velyndina

ANOTHER premium service? Is Kotick secretly the CEO of Blizzard now? This is getting ridiculous...I miss vanilla, there was none of this BS back then. $20 for the gane, $10 for BC $40 for wotlk $40 for cata, $15 every month, $25 to change your realm/name/whatever, anything in the pet store is stupid and now you have to pay to play with your friends...
What if you meet someone irl:
"Hey, do you play WoW?
"Yeah!"
"What server?"
"Argent Dawn"
"oh, I'm on Alleria"
"Damn...hey, lets pay them more money so we can play the game together!"

No other MMO has encouraged me to solo-play like this one...

Or just go roll a toon on their server like you would've done back in Vanilla. If you miss it that much, that is. You at the very least now have the option to do such a thing.

Originally Posted by Zdrasti

One of the most important things in business is your reputation. When you do things like this to make a quick buck at the expense of your reputation, you risk losing money in the long term. And since they are a business and money is their end goal, they need to care about their reputation.[COLOR="red"]

I think this is the whole issue. To most of the adults that don't feel like they're going to have to beg for the money to pay for the new service, this does nothing to their reputation.

In general, most adults won't ever be affected by this, because WoW, while fun, is at MOST a hobby, and not something that one needs to debate like this.

WoW is going to the movies with your friends. If the movie sucked, you don't keep going back to see it again. If you like it, maybe you buy the DVD. If you really like it, maybe the Blu-Ray.

If you've made this issue that much more important, maybe that's a reason to look at your life for a second.

Originally Posted by Velyndina

ANOTHER premium service? Is Kotick secretly the CEO of Blizzard now? This is getting ridiculous...I miss vanilla, there was none of this BS back then. $20 for the gane, $10 for BC $40 for wotlk $40 for cata, $15 every month, $25 to change your realm/name/whatever, anything in the pet store is stupid and now you have to pay to play with your friends...
What if you meet someone irl:
"Hey, do you play WoW?
"Yeah!"
"What server?"
"Argent Dawn"
"oh, I'm on Alleria"
"Damn...hey, lets pay them more money so we can play the game together!"

No other MMO has encouraged me to solo-play like this one...

Heck, I remember pre-WoW Blizzard.

"Hey, let's make a cool game called Diablo, and let people play it together over the interweb." And it was cool. And you could play with your friends, on Battle.net, without any bogus fees. And you could do it with Starcraft and Diablo II and the Warcraft games, too.

Now it's more along the lines of "Let's add a cool new feature, but let's also strategically monetize portions of it to maximize profits."

Blizzard got too big, too fast, and I blame WoW, and I blame Activision.. because I know that if the same 'old guard' folks in that Retrospective were still calling all the shots, we wouldn't have 'premium' BS.

Originally Posted by Zdrasti

Theyre not identical, but they share the same aspect of impacting your gameplay. To see the impact consider what you can do in game with a service and if you can do all the same things if you were denied that service. I think what you're getting at is that LFD has a much greater impact on your gameplay and I'll agree to that. However, there is a difference between being able to group with people from another server and not. They both impact gameplay.

And just for comparison sake, consider the sparkle pony. What you can and cannot do in game is completely unaffected by this mount. It does not affect gameplay.

If I'm denied the service, I can still play the game. I can either use LFD and play with PuG's or play on the server my friend is on. It doesn't change the game at all. I don't think either of us are going to change each other minds on this. I call for a truce. Friends?

Hostly we should boycott this, its retarded to have to pay for this

Originally Posted by Zdrasti

One of the most important things in business is your reputation. When you do things like this to make a quick buck at the expense of your reputation, you risk losing money in the long term. And since they are a business and money is their end goal, they need to care about their reputation.

True, but evidently they feel like this doesn't harm their reputation...and I don't think it does, I think a lot of people are blowing hot air before finding out any details.

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Originally Posted by roahn the warlock

Hostly we should boycott this, its retarded to have to pay for this

Yes you boycott it by not purchasing the premium service. It's very easy.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

Heck, I remember pre-WoW Blizzard.

"Hey, let's make a cool game called Diablo, and let people play it together over the interweb." And it was cool. And you could play with your friends, on Battle.net, without any bogus fees. And you could do it with Starcraft and Diablo II and the Warcraft games, too.

Now it's more along the lines of "Let's add a cool new feature, but let's also strategically monetize portions of it to maximize profits."

Blizzard got too big, too fast, and I blame WoW, and I blame Activision.. because I know that if the same 'old guard' folks in that Retrospective were still calling all the shots, we wouldn't have 'premium' BS.

LOL...and now everyone's also a historian and business analyst. And now it's a bad thing for their game to get too big too fast? Damn, if only they'd stopped people from playing their popular game...

Cant wait until the next "expansion" hits. it will contain the minimum amount of content they can possibly get away with, on the basis they can add it in 6 months later and start charging for it as "premium" content.

oh wait, that was cata.