Patch 4.2 - PTR Build 14179

No abyssal maw content at all, and they still are completely changing classes/specs each patch. Cataclysm will go down as the sloppiest, over promised under delivered expansion yet.

Originally Posted by Nananea

I'm a mage, I totally understand. 1.5 sec cast time RoF makes you have to look into the the future ~5 seconds...which is pretty ridiculous. It's a good revert...just seems like they can't figure out what they are doing.

Its no diffrent than useing freezing trap at range A's hunter, if we wanna trap someone at range we have to scatter shoot first, whats wrong with mages having to use deepfeeze or frost Nova before being able to rof ?

Originally Posted by Therec

Ok two things:

1. Spellsteal becoming 7k mana will mean that you'll go oom pretty fast if you try to spam that in arena, the 6-second CD was reverted b/c of PvE implications.

2. While it's not showing on this datamine Ring of Frost and Deep Freeze now share diminishing returns. The 1.5 second cast time made it almost completely useless in PvE.

So quit whining. Oh wait, that's impossible.

lol...wut?

They nerfed enh shaman's purged by giving them what...400% increased mana cost? double mana on an already horribly OP ability is negligible at best. Also...6 sec cd reverted for PvE?...you cant be serious. The only fight where you need to spam ss is possibly Omni (assuming you dont have a shaman or hunter...). This is clearly a pvp change reverted cuz of QQ

Also, once again...RoF in pve? adds on halfus and adds on nef are essentially the only things of significance. So no, pve isnt the reason they reverted it.

Cant quit whining when the whining is justified...

Originally Posted by Adjutant

I like the fire nova change, seems like a cool idea.

Welcome to patch 4.1, this is on Live already. It's only a tooltip change, to reflect what the spell actually does.

I knew the nerf to Ring of Frost wouldn't go through. Adding a cast time was an awful idea. I believe it needs nerfing, but it would have been completely useless in PvP and much diminished in PvE with a cast time of 1.5 sec. My idea for a cool, balanced RoF:

Instant cast, same size and range.

The ground effect would last longer, perhaps 15 seconds. The Freeze effect would be reduced to 5 sec. In PvP, a maximum of 5 players could be frozen per cast. The cooldown would be reduced to 1 min.

Fuck this shit, really even after the damage nerfs to frost DKs we get hit with something that should have been for a mage. This game has gone downhill like a goddamn boulder.

Originally Posted by Laina

The 150-pet achievement seems a bit odd. It seems almost impossible to get without buying pets from the blizzard store, which isn't something every can do.
Wasn't it Blizzard's stance to have achievements achievable by everyone, not just those with access to a creditcard?

Nope, they never said archievements should be achievable by everyone. Only thing they said is that archievements that can be archieved only by a select number of people would reward no points, aka, Feats of Strenght.

the funny thing is every single dk is crying like it's the end of the world,
D/w your cc got nerfed you've still got plenty of damage to back it up with.
Also to everyone crying about the mage changes,mages as of right now are one of the harder classes to play in high end arena which is what blizzard is balancing pvp around.
Ps. I play a warrior in arena Surry.

Nuts better have a unique model. Theres already a Squirrel pet ingame.

So Blizz puts up mage nerfs on the ptr notes to give some hope they would start balancing their overpowered favorite class, then dashes those hopes by reverting the nerfs, probably realizing that they might cause mages to have to try to win in pvp scenarios. Though 1 button arcane pve lives on!

Originally Posted by Durandro

Mages get the first nerf in ages, cry, get it reversed almost insteadly? Okay. That's fair?

You do realize you're basing this "nerf" off unofficial data, right? Meaning that the initial (datamined) change never went through, and instead changed them this way.

Fact remains, they're still nerfs. Just because it's not the nerf you want, doesn't make it any less valid.

Cant they just f...ing remove Hungering cold from the game and give us a new cool talent insted of a totaly useless one,

Why have a talent that far down that is close to useless in pvp and even worse in pve
"oh u need help with cc on add, ok w8 im just going to run over to u and cast this 1.5 sec spell... oh u died long before i could get to u"

1.5 second cast time to hungering cold. wow.

PvP really fucking enriches this game.

this doesnt really make much diff. a 1.5 second cast time is nothing pretty much.

still no fucking mount achievement announced....or even datamined

Originally Posted by zarbus

1.5 second cast time to hungering cold. wow.

PvP really fucking enriches this game.

When would you use Hungering Cold in PvE?

Ring of frost is a retard check. Why would it need a cast time if it takes time to actually activate. I mean you're given a visual warning of where it will hit, wheras hungering cold is an instant cast AOE freeze around the DK. I don't even play a mage and can see why this was done. If they want to nerf mages in PvP it should be done elsewhere.

Originally Posted by zarbus

1.5 second cast time to hungering cold. wow.

PvP really fucking enriches this game.

I know dude it's not like PVE has utterly destroyed every other aspect to this game or anything.

Originally Posted by announced

this doesnt really make much diff. a 1.5 second cast time is nothing pretty much.

It means you can be interrupted and have to stop, which can make a big difference in PvP. PvE wise this means you can't use HC as a free FF application without breaking ur rotation. Then there is the oh shit properties of this skill (adds/tank dying) which will go away with a caste time.

I don't really do arenas, but in BGs this means I can't rush a flag room, rush a base cap..... yeah

HC is great for making people use their trinkets/cd or punishing them if they can't/won't do so. SotA is another BG where if you are behind a Siege you will pretty much miss HC.

If this change goes thru, they should increase the duration by 2 secs~

Least they updated Soul Stone to function like other battle resses.