RaidBots, Masterwork Elementium Deathblade, 2011 EU Bnet Invitational, Fan Art

The minimum requirements for a chart like this would be (if you want to extract any useful information): - encounter based - normalized by ilvl Those can be checked on the bot's hompage, so anyone interested in them, check the homegpage and set your filters properly.

I find the Sub Rogue line a little funny. And the Fire Mage, saw that and was like "well, I know when people were working on Alysrazor"

Originally Posted by wiIdi

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
At 3.80 speed, the weapon was over-performing relative to its cost and the ease with which it can be obtained.



Yes, but the solution is not turning it into the worst possible sword with 3.5 speed.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
We wanted this weapon to be roughly on par with weapons from the previous tier, since it can be purchased from the Auction House



We have only one epic 2 hand boe melee weapon in the ah and you bring it on par with ilvl 359 weapons from the previous tier.. and completely ignore or forget the fact that other classes can already purchase ilvl 378 weapons from the ah. You only see one side of the coin and this is sad.

All this and they decide to tell us the actual speed and damage of the weapon 3 fucking weeks after patch release and when it just becomes available after a rep grind. "It felt weird", well fuck you Blizzard. Pretty fucking scummy way to treat your paying customers.

lawl@fan art, why even bother drawing clothes. disgusting

Originally Posted by MysticalOS

you assume they dont have this data (or better data). they aren't as worried about certain specs sucking compared to others. dks are not in bad shape, just unholy is. but as you can see frost is up with rest of the dps. That's not as big as say shaman in generla always being on bottom, but the recent hotfix shows they acknowledged that much.

If Blizzard had "better data" then they wouldn't just randomly buff shamans after Paragon doesn't bring any to all of their world firsts since Cata. Nice troll though.

"Mages are über! we need moar!!1", Next couple of days... "omgzlol dey r da suq reroll nabs!1!"

Sites like raidbots.com ruin this game. Just letting you guys know!

I'm convinced, officially, that Boub hates all of his moderators. Posting that DPS comparison of the top DPSers in the top guilds on the top progression tables in the world on a forum site full of the kinds of posters you know you have on these forums was not only begging for 75893416783914758934675138497509834 threads of QQ, it's already started happening. On behalf of the people who don't whine about every little thing on these forums, mods, I'm very sorry that you'll have to deal with this.

Unless they aggregated their data based on a minimum damage done per boss, the data they gathered is pretty much equivalent to a heaping pile of crap. Simply put, if you go over the logs over at WoL, you will see several fights only lasting 1 minute or less. This is because people are either cheating the system to get top ranked or starting their logs late on a fight. This makes the data they are gathering pretty much worthless and the current state of WoL makes it worthless until they actually put in a minimum damage done number (or duration) for each fight on WoL. So, take this table with a grain of salt, because it is HIGHLY inaccurate data.

Ret is pretty low overall, almost any class/spec is better to have.. seeing them just above other classes' second or third specs is a problem.I see several people here mention ret healing , look at any random healing meter, we are probably last , our selfhealing sucks unless we sacrifice ALOT of dps for it.

Originally Posted by Ashmanx

Sites like raidbots.com ruin this game. Just letting you guys know!

No, people that misinterpret and rely on sites like raidbots ruin this game. Actually, I wouldn't even say ruin -- those people are just an annoyance.

Originally Posted by Taradenha

I guess most people here do not understand those numbers, so i'll try to explain.

The numbers in the front page are the median of the top 100 logs of each of the first 6 fights in firelands, meaning the sample is made of 600 logs of 6 different fights mixed together and that number is the 300th best log of this sample.

Median is the 50th percentile of a sample or, simply put, the exact center of the sample Remember median is different from average and is not biased by extreme high or extreme low numbers, but it's biased by the number of samples.
That spike in the fire mages graphic line was caused by the low number of samples. The spike happened because the fire mage sample had less then 200 logs (100 logs from alysrazor and less than 100 from other fights), so the median was a log from alysrazor, as the number of logs from other fights got higher the median went from alysrazor to some other fight where fire mages perform a lot worse.

Of course mixing logs from 6 different fights and trying to get an absolut number we'll give us a meaningless number. If you want to know how classes are performing I suggest you enter the site and check the data separated by fights.

This is where you are uninformed. Sure it is the 50th percentile, but it's the 50th percentile of the top 100, or essentially top 50. That's the TOP 50 LOGS IN THE WORLD. Not even remotely close to an average of a decent raider. Add that this is from the top parses of HEROIC level raiding. In other words, people of immensely better gear. Why? Because a) it's heroic b) in order to get the top parses, they are going to have to have serious gear c) since a lot of parses and classes have a lot of RNG based crits, then you will see the top RNG numbers, not even remotely close to average numbers.

Originally Posted by Ashmanx

Sites like raidbots.com ruin this game. Just letting you guys know!

Some of us want to raid and not spend 6 months on current content, I enjoy finishing content early and not bashing my head into the dirt for that period of time.

Originally Posted by Taradenha

Alts do not rank top 100, also a lot of top guilds do not use public logs, also you can set the data to all data avaiable instead of top 100.
The point is the site is great for data analysis, the problem is the misuse by people who can't understand what the data means.

While true, how do you know that alts don't rank? You have no proof. My high ranking guilds run multiple raids gearing up alts at the same time as mains for the simple reason of finding the best composition to do a boss. Remember Heroic Nef25 by Paragon? How many druids? So you're saying alts don't matter? Are you saying those alts weren't geared?

Head back to ICC, how many raids did Paragon or Ensidia do per week? They ran like 3 or 4 in conjunction to get tons of attempts on bosses with limited attempts. All those toons got geared.

Add that, the top parses, aren't necessarilty the top 100. Chances are it's top 50 because I'm sure there are multiple instances of the same toon on a different fight on a different week.

A real true use of the site, is as you say, taking all the fights, only kills, on normal and heroic. And then comparing. Not taking the top 100 parses of Heroic fights.

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Originally Posted by Taradenha

The bugged logs don't matter since those numbers are not an average, 100k dps or 1 trillion dps the median stays the same.

again, more inaccuracies in regards to statistics. Especially since we are talking top 100. Sure the top ones are taken out. But that also means that the higher parses get moved DOWN in relation because of the bugged parses. The result is inaccuracies.

Hey, that Blizzcon VoD blog post appears to be down. Not sure why they'd hype up that shitfest anyway. 2010 should be a strong indicator of what's in store for people this year.

Originally Posted by Fenixdown

I'm convinced, officially, that Boub hates all of his moderators. Posting that DPS comparison of the top DPSers in the top guilds on the top progression tables in the world on a forum site full of the kinds of posters you know you have on these forums was not only begging for 75893416783914758934675138497509834 threads of QQ, it's already started happening. On behalf of the people who don't whine about every little thing on these forums, mods, I'm very sorry that you'll have to deal with this.

I am kind of scared to go to the Shaman class forum right now after loading up the HPS chart. I'm sorry guys and gals, I'm not sure I can stomach any more bloodshed today. My heart goes out to them, because their weekend might...WILL not be pretty. In fact, just thinking about it depresses me a bit...

lol , the graph is crappy;p on the ragna 25 hm from paragon, the first one was a dk and in the chart , you see them in the low compared to others class, someone likes mage and priest ? ;p

Originally Posted by Ohforfsake

Nice data to shove down the throats of PvP QQers calling feral damage overpowered. If anything it needs buffs. lol.. but thanks to pvp morons it will always dangle at the middle-bottom wile being the most difficult to master as well..

And your moronic knowledge fails to understand that this chart comes from overall DPS in 25H Firelands, not PvP.

Originally Posted by chard

I logged in just to stop you right their. Blizz went back on that a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. You can stop this stupid little fantasy you got in your head that your rogue should be topping hybrids.

What healing is a Ret Paladin, Feral Druid, Enchancment Shaman going to do in a 25 man heroic raid? None.
How long is a Ret Paladin or a Frost DK going to tank a 25 Heroic boss? A lot less than a rogue can with Evasion

The utility that hybrid classes bring is nothing anymore except for CC. The ONLY thing that matters if your DPS is DPS. Rogues have fare far utility than most hybrid classes in 25 man raids, so by your incredibly stupid logic they should have less DPS than a Ret Paladin.

Stop spreading this retarded bullshit propaganda that Blizz wants hybrids to be lower than non hybrids because they changed their mind on that before WotLK. Nobody believes you except for yourself and you sound like a stupid asshole.

Chad great response in proving ignorant points.

During our progression raids, bringing hybrids is a huge advantage. First of all, a hybrid could switch at any time out of combat in the raid and fill another position (Tank, Healer, or DPS depending on the hybrid) that raid required them to play to help complete current content. So tell me that is not an advantage. Also, if you have never had a feral/boomkin druid pop tranquility in almost raid wipe situations your are lying(or healing rains). Secondly, it is insanely easy to gear hybrids compared to pure dps classes. Please talk to Blizz about getting me under a 40 minute que for heroics.. (definitely not an advantage to gearing a hybrid)

I still dont understand why 3.5 and not 3.6. The 2H weapons and the Gun suffer from sub-per speed compared to the other crafted weapons, its not that the 1Hs are 2.5 and the dagger 1.7 or anything like that, why does the gun need to be under the 3.0 standard and the 2H sword under the 3.6?