WoW Lost 300k Subscribers, Patch 4.3 this year, Blizzcon 2011 Tickets, Blue Posts

Originally Posted by MrShapatsky

You can write a reply, i will read it, but i wont reply to it.
Take your best shot

Durr, yes, Journalism is taught. It is NOT a field of science as you claimed, journalism falls under "arts" in most colleges. Hell, I even said "behavioral science" for your benefit, thinking you would look into it so you would understand the exact field for what you were talking about. That was the point I was making, way to miss it (not surprising, since you missed the first one). I hope you're not majoring in journalism because your reading comprehension sucks. Seriously, learn how to read in context of your previous posts, it's like you forget what you wrote before and reply as if my posts are stand-alone.

As for not replying, you've constantly dug yourself into a deeper pit with every reply. Its taken you way too long to try and save face. I've enjoyed pointing out your inability to think clearly.

Originally Posted by BenBos;12555763[B

If CATA REALLY was bad, the game would have lost 50% of its player base already.

Wrong, trust me. It's hard to quit after you play for such a long time, even if you're truly hating the game. Because people don't like to throw away all the effort spent in years.
In fact, it took me more than 6 months for me to quit since when I was really, really hating the game.
Your argument is invalid.
What is happening now, is the consequence of what I just said. A lot are leaving for this reason. Because, yup, Cata is boring (not bad, just not innovative in any possible way - you can eat the most tasty food everyday for a month straight. After that, it won't be the same).

Originally Posted by Kaeleena

Leaked product slate which has been all but confirmed at this point has Blizzard expecting to launch the next expansion during Q2 of next year. If they are still on track to make that release window, I wouldn't expect a 4.4 this expansion cycle. Not that I wouldn't love to see some new content but I expect 3.3 will likely be Deathwing for the holiday season to compete with other launching games and 6 months of that, just like we just went through 7 months Tier Fail.

Well if you check how game was released: WoW Nov 2004, TBC January 2007 (app. 2 years), WotLK Novemeber 2008, Cata december 2010, so from statistics and unconfirmed graph, it should be at the end of 2012. But ofc, that's all arguable until they confirm it :P

Though Blizzard confirmed War of the Ancient in this expansion - http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/06/13/ca...aid-confirmed/

So I wouldn't be surprised if we see it in 4.3 and than Deathwing's Fall in 4.4 (or mabye 4.5, if 4.4 will be dungeon only).

Originally Posted by Nebthet

Wrong, trust me. It's hard to quit after you play for such a long time, even if you're truly hating the game. Because people don't like to throw away all the effort spent in years.
In fact, it took me more than 6 months for me to quit since when I was really, really hating the game.
Your argument is invalid.
What is happening now, is the consequence of what I just said. A lot are leaving for this reason. Because, yup, Cata is boring (not bad, just not innovative in any possible way - you can eat the most tasty food everyday for a month straight. After that, it won't be the same).

Pretty pathetic if you continue to play a GAME that you don't enjoy.

On the topic of you saying Cataclysm is boring, how is Cataclysm boring and WotLK wasn't boring? Is it not casual enough for you?

I enjoy Cataclysm A LOT more then I did WotLK, even though I am only 3/7 FL Normal modes I am still having more fun then I did at any point in WotLK. For me the only good thing about Wrath was the ability to have 5-6 current tier raid geared toons.

Originally Posted by Nebthet

Wrong, trust me. It's hard to quit after you play for such a long time, even if you're truly hating the game. Because people don't like to throw away all the effort spent in years.
In fact, it took me more than 6 months for me to quit since when I was really, really hating the game.
Your argument is invalid.
What is happening now, is the consequence of what I just said. A lot are leaving for this reason. Because, yup, Cata is boring (not bad, just not innovative in any possible way - you can eat the most tasty food everyday for a month straight. After that, it won't be the same).

Are you kidding? How can you play a game you don't enjoy? If I didn't enjoy WoW I'd quit it without hesitating.

Originally Posted by F-Minus

There is something wrong with it, and it's called "lack of content". They took all their time to refurbish old zones, which no-one past level 60 cares about, and even characters who level could live with they way the zones and quests were before Cataclysm. I have some alts, and yes it was nice to go through the new quests, but that's not why I play the game, I play the game with my main, which is at max level and likes to see new high level content - and in that regard they failed.

You have no choice at all anymore in regards of progression. You are on a linear path that leads to boredom, both in leveling, raiding and gear. No options means people get bored and quit.

Oh I agree man, I stopped playing back in February. By the end of December (ie. less than a month after Cata came out), my small F&F guild started falling apart; we all got at least two characters from lv80 to 85 in a matter of 2 weeks at most, then we were facing grinds as a mean of entertainment and my people gradually stopped logging in to the point where we couldn't even get a heroic 5-man team going.

In January I figured I'd give the revamped 1-60 world a spin and started a Troll druid from scratch; the content is good, very linear but way better than the original game ever was; I got to 60 and headed over to Outlands, at which point I realized I wasn't looking forward to getting to 85 to face the same issue all over again and shelved my druid.

It seems to me I paid for Cataclysm but got very little cap level content, as you say most of the effort was spent on revamping the original game; sadly, I will just say this: this is not what I bought Cataclysm for. Hence the disappointment, and apparently we're not alone feeling that way.

Originally Posted by Snore

Are you kidding? How can you play a game you don't enjoy? If I didn't enjoy WoW I'd quit it without hesitating.

because WoW has stagnated the market where nothign "new" really comes out and no one leaves WoW

I don't play for the game, I play for the friends that play it as well

Honestly, WoW is just a waiting game till something better comes out for many people

Originally Posted by Snore

Are you kidding? How can you play a game you don't enjoy? If I didn't enjoy WoW I'd quit it without hesitating.

Because the feeling of thinking about having "wasted" years on a game was kinda keeping me attached to it, while hoping it would have got better again.
Kinda common feeling that's keeping lots of people if you didn't know.

Originally Posted by LethalAim

On the topic of you saying Cataclysm is boring, how is Cataclysm boring and WotLK wasn't boring?

Because, you know, the longer it passes, the more boring something gets.

I can eat a pizza for a week, it's still awesome.
I'll eat it for another week, it's cool.
I'll eat it for yet another week, it's ok.
I'll eat it for yet another week, I don't stand it anymore.

Clearer?

Originally Posted by LethalAim

Is it not casual enough for you?

You're so cool bro! Have I whined about casuals or anything related? I said BORING, read it again. It says -> B O R I N G.
Heroics might be harder and less accessible to casuals, makes the whole expansion any less boring? Care to explain?

Yay wow lost more QQers. Thank god, if you hate the game so much quit playing and go somewhere else, theres plenty of other mmo's out there you can go QQ about. I would rather wow lost a bunch of baddies than have them all sit and troll the forums about how much wow sucks and x game is better than wow. Hopefully these new subscribers will understand that wow isn't a game your supposed to "beat" or get to level 85 in a week and then complain about the lack of things to do while they sit there with an empty "Cataclysm Raid" achievement tab.

Originally Posted by Beyond2

It makes me happy to see more people leaving the game. As sick and twisted as that sounds, maybe blizzard will wake the fuck up and make tier accessible to non-raiders like it was in WotLK. Or at least give casuals something to do with rewards that aren't recolored rehashed shit, while raiders get all the new shinies. The new quest zone was a joke; I saw the rewards, I saw how little they value their casual players. "Just give em recolored rares, they'll eat it up. toss in a recolored mount too for kicks" No thank you blizzard, my money will go elsewhere. Make your game casual friendly like it was in WotLK and we'll talk about me re-subbing. If it takes another 1,100,000 people to leave to make a round two million, I hope blizzard it will get blizzard to fix their shit. I want to play WoW, but not in an environment where I have no hope for obtaining an armor set unless I'm a hardcore raider.

What the fucking shit are you on about? The game is more accessible, more casual and easier than it ever has been before to pick up any class/spec and get 3 pieces t12 from heroics or t11 content. People like you, with opinions like that, destroyed the game and sadly your opinions are now viable due to the business game - weight in numbers and all that. My guess is your terrible at the game, can't push 9k dps, cba to spend 5 mins on EJ or a respective website to pick up a class and develop that character? Cause thats 99% of what I see everywhere/anywhere in this game now. Baddies who want everything for absolutely nothing. I don't just mean baddies either, some of these baddies actually believe they are good. Sad times.

Originally Posted by Beyond2

It makes me happy to see more people leaving the game. As sick and twisted as that sounds, maybe blizzard will wake the fuck up and make tier accessible to non-raiders like it was in WotLK. Or at least give casuals something to do with rewards that aren't recolored rehashed shit, while raiders get all the new shinies. The new quest zone was a joke; I saw the rewards, I saw how little they value their casual players. "Just give em recolored rares, they'll eat it up. toss in a recolored mount too for kicks" No thank you blizzard, my money will go elsewhere. Make your game casual friendly like it was in WotLK and we'll talk about me re-subbing. If it takes another 1,100,000 people to leave to make a round two million, I hope blizzard it will get blizzard to fix their shit. I want to play WoW, but not in an environment where I have no hope for obtaining an armor set unless I'm a hardcore raider.

No, you just need to find a raid guild, spend a little time researching your spec and class and spend a couple hours in some raids. They already made it casual friendly, the first tier raid gear is purchasable with jp's and the non set pieces are cheaper than the blues. People like you are what caused the first million subs to go, baddies who want to be handed everything on a silver platter. WoW clearly isn't for you, go play Hello Kitty Online Adventure you terribad baddie. I'm not hardcore and my main is sitting around in all purples its really not that hard at all.

Originally Posted by Nebthet

Because the feeling of thinking about having "wasted" years on a game was kinda keeping me attached to it, while hoping it would have got better again.
Kinda common feeling that's keeping lots of people if you didn't know.

Sounds more like you have an addiction and you don't want to give it up.

Of course there would be a ton of comments on how WoW is bad and etc. What I personally think is that because Wotlk was so easy everyone got to raid, casuals, hardcores, the average joe. The problem now is that there just isn't enough room for everyone. You could chain pull almost everything in Wotlk and be done in a few hours. Now because you actually have to try at things, there just isn't enough time to run 5 or 6 raids for most guilds. Since all of us "extras" can't raid, we quickly realize how boring this game is. I'll admit a lot of those that left are probably bads who I won't miss but quite a few are probably just those extras who are good but got behind in gear and didn't get to raid. It seems to me that blizz artificially extended this tier by lowering the VP cap. Hopefully with all this new raids and shit they promised, those of us who are extras but still play will be able to catch up in gear. The Old God raid that's coming out sometime better be fucking awesome too.

Originally Posted by Rensyk

Biggest content patch ever aye? I expect 2+ Raids from that personally.

Biggest content update since cata launch. Not biggest content patch ever. Expect to see content redone (the obvious meaning behind content update). You might see something happen in Silithus or maybe they'll re-release another raid as a 5 man . Who knows what we'll see. I'd expect a typical number of raids (1-2, maybe 3 if they do it like T11) and then a significant update in content. You may see something to reference those Pandaren mists.

Originally Posted by LethalAim

Sounds more like you have an addiction and you don't want to give it up.

That's what I've said in other words myself.
The other quotes were directed to you, not that anyway.

Originally Posted by johnnyo032003

No, you just need to find a raid guild, spend a little time researching your spec and class and spend a couple hours in some raids. They already made it casual friendly, the first tier raid gear is purchasable with jp's and the non set pieces are cheaper than the blues. People like you are what caused the first million subs to go, baddies who want to be handed everything on a silver platter. WoW clearly isn't for you, go play Hello Kitty Online Adventure you terribad baddie. I'm not hardcore and my main is sitting around in all purples its really not that hard at all.

Perhaps you can wrap your head around the concept that not everybody wants to raid, I'm definitely one of them. I quit out of boredom, but I suppose that makes me a "bad", right?

Originally Posted by LethalAim

Pretty pathetic if you continue to play a GAME that you don't enjoy.

On the topic of you saying Cataclysm is boring, how is Cataclysm boring and WotLK wasn't boring? Is it not casual enough for you?

I enjoy Cataclysm A LOT more then I did WotLK, even though I am only 3/7 FL Normal modes I am still having more fun then I did at any point in WotLK. For me the only good thing about Wrath was the ability to have 5-6 current tier raid geared toons.

Many people play because of friendships made, rather than because the game itself is still important to them.

I was still logging in once a week to wipe on raids even though I wasn't playing it AT ALL otherwise since the first month of Cata.

Cata is boring (and WOTLK was entertaining) for me for several reasons:

1. My guild can barely raid. We were stuck in a holding pattern for 3 months having downed just 3 bosses in easy mode. Maloriak required way more gear than we could get until 4.1 - and by then half the guild had quit. (and having 4 of the guild members lag during Atremedes made HIM impossible, and terrible setups for Halfus made HIM impossible) Blizzard's response was that my guild (which downed the Lich King in Easy mode at 30%) was not worthy of their time - we didn't deserve to see that content until after Firelands came out - which took way too long and had the guild disappear in the mean time.

2. Quests from 1-60 seem pretty cool...until you're doing them. The motivation for the original 1-60 quests was "hey peon, you're nothing special yet. Go kill me some boars" - which gave you this idea that further along, you'd be something special. The new quests are a rollarcoaster ride of "OMG YOU'RE HERE. WE NEED YOUR HELP. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE WHO CAN SAVE US!" which gets very dry, and very boring after the tenth time it happens. It gives you a false sense of accomplishment, and makes you stop playing, because well..."I've saved the day - I deserve a rest!" - it completely corrupts the obsessive feeling that the original quests gave you. So yeah, they're "awesome" new quests. They're also boring.

3. I stopped PVPing a long time ago, it's impossible to keep up with people who do it hardcore unless you also do it hardcore.

So what the hell else am I supposed to do? Dailies? Boy that's not boring at all.

Originally Posted by Mithsploit

If you're not a raider then what the F do you need bigger shinier gear for?

Join the 300k and gtfo. Maybe if all that's left are hardcore raiders then we might get some really good raiding content instead of patches with more worthless 5 man heroics.

raiding is the past heroics are the future 5 bucks says they will have 2 diff paths 1 day 1 for raiders 1 for people that like doing heroics only.

People wouldn't be quitting if blizzard didn't put out the bare minimum, they need to make every content patch a "wow omg" event, lord knows they have the money to do it...

So, people are getting to their senses, good. This number will do nothing else but rising...