Paladin - Censure Hotfix Incoming

While the nerf may not be huge, its a step in the right direction and a sign that blizzard recognise the poor state of Ret.

Good enough for me, I imagine we'll see larger fixes in 4.3

I feel so ashamed of this community now i read all these posts.

1st of all people still asking what the buff is at page 5 when it is answered in page 1 = What happent to searching for 5 seconds?

2nd other classes (Shammies mostly) crying about this just as they do in any other buff any other class gets. Every class has its ups and downs they have to start somewhere. If it was a shammy buff im pretty sure most of paladins would go cry over there as well.. so bad.

3rd paladins saying this is cool but why dont they change HOW WE PLAY. They hardly EVER change how a class works in mid-patch they probably will in 4.3 or maybe next expansion. They can't hotfix that kinda thing.

Is it so hard for half of the community to avoid doing this kind of behavior?

On topic: 3% dps overall or maybe 4% in single target. And a bit more in multi targeting (if you are actually switching targets and keep 5x dot up on each). We will move up to around 11th/10th viable dps spec i believe.

Alright guys, this is what's up. (In my opinion) At the moment, I am a ret pally raider. My gear is full 378, with the 4 set t12 bonus. The other day I did 26k on 10 heroic baleroc. Not great, but not bad for a 10 man run. The others in my group are slightly more geared than me, maybe around 382 ilvl, and our top dps (a boomkin) was 30k. We really are not THAT bad before this buff, but slightly. This will help a little bit. However I agree with most other ret posters here, they just need to fix the RNG 'rotation'. Also, I don't really like the idea of the hammer of wrath nerf, even if it does buff other abilities, I like being able to run back to the boss, jump, turn around mid-air and throw a HoW to finish off an add, E.G. a son of flame on ragnaros. So overall what I'm saying is: Ret is about middle of the road right now on damage, the problem with them failing is either just not knowing their class, or getting unlucky. ~Cormier, Whisperwind US~

What about enhance, when are they gonna fix them?

i rather have another rework than more boosts like this... but we wont see anything like that until 4.3 or pre-5.0

Originally Posted by Megraam

Stop your trolling please. Specs under ret paladin are:
1. Enchancement shaman. Those shammys who don't like their dps respec into elem.
2. Assasination rogue. Those rogues who don't like their dps respec into combat.
3. Arms warrior. Those warriors who don't like their dps respec into fury.
4. Unholy DK. Those DKs who don't like their dps respec into frost.
5. Survival hunter. Those hunters who don't like their dps respec into marksmanship.
6. Destruction warlock. Those warlocks who don't like their dps respec into affliction or demonology.
7. Subtlety rogue. Those rogues who don't like their dps respec into combat.
8. Fire mage. Those mages who don't like their dps respec into arcane.
9. Beast mastery hunter. Those hunters who don't like their dps respec into marksmanship.
10. Frost mage. Those mages who don't like their dps respec into arcane.

So, which dps spec should ret paladins choose when they don't like their dps?

So which is it? "All specs should be viable" or "MY spec should be viable screw everyone else"?

I simply pointed out that Ret is middle of the pack not "retri was lowest with Frost Mage."
I've played Ret since beta so I know how bad it's been in the past, we aren't half bad right now and people making it out as terrible are just whining.

oh lawlz enhancement shammies are complaining since they the weakest now

Originally Posted by Inexxa

Took their time to realize that ret's dps were too low. Too bad I quit already due to being fed up of paladin being changed/screwed over constantly.

Changed ret to paladin.



Same, my sub ran out a couple weeks ago, so many bad decisions this ex-pac.

Originally Posted by Proudfoot

So which is it? "All specs should be viable" or "MY spec should be viable screw everyone else"?

Read Blizzard's latest Dev Watercooler: "Rate of Change". Especially the Example One: Spec Parity. Enhancement isn't comparable to Elemental, but every other thing brought up by Megraam is. Then again, on heroic content Enhancement is above DKs and Heroic content is what all is about now.

I'm not saying Enhancement isn't in need of fixing because it is, and everyone knows it. DPS is shoddy, AOE mechanics are stupid and Totem AI is retarded.

Good thing for ret pals, they needed that. Now how about us mages get our fire spec to be playable again ?

this is good

Originally Posted by Fraza

I'm seriously fed up with the off-topic shaman whine on the forums. Paragon killed Raggy HC? No shamans in raid this proves everything QQ. Paladin received a buff? Why you no buff Shaman?!

Umm, I would like to see fixes to our aoes etc, too... but we DID get a buff after Rag HC kills, to Shamanism. Ele only, but about as much dps boost as this change.

Too all the shamans bitching, go look at the top standings in 3v3 and 5v5. Just about every team has a shaman in them. Its difficult for Blizz to buff a spec in PvE and not make it completely out of control in PvP. Its what essentially happened to Ret after patch 3.0.

Ret is currently a complete joke. I PvP as ret and if I don't have all my CDs ready I can't kill anything solo, we simply do not have the damage output to keep up with other melee classes. What I find shitty is as a defensive class, they keep nerfing our defensive abilities (Sacred Shield is now holy mastery, can't LoH while bubbled, can't hand of protection and bubble back to back) while giving other classes more utility. Gee, I wish I could regain 20% of my health after I slow my target and sprint away, then vanish only to kidney shot back in and dismantle. But oh wait...I can't.

Its a welcome buff, and I hope they do more to bring our baseline damage up that isn't so RNG oriented. I'm STILL wondering why we're the only class in the game without a slow (don't count that Avenger's Shield slow, that 4 second slow on that big of a cd doesn't count). How long do we have to bitch until we get that?

inc 99% temp verdict nerf blizzard never intentionally buffs ret...

Paladins cry and Blizzard react. Nothing new here.

Originally Posted by Attsey

Paladins cry and Blizzard react. Nothing new here.

People only read the news post and ignore all the comments and react while being ignorant. Nothing new here.

Everyone who doesnt get a buff bemoans the fact another class got one. Its happened for the past 6 years or more with this game.

Originally Posted by Velkahn

We dont need NO creepy buffs! REMOVE HOLY POWER! thats what we really need.
Holly power should NOT affect Templars Verdict... should only affect inquisition.
and when you get 3 loads of holly power, your next ability should cause more damage and be critical, that's all. =)

I'm asking too much?!

Yes, clearly the holly power needs to be reworked, damn plants messing with Ret rotation!

Originally Posted by Phasma

Yes, give Paladins a 3rd viable PvE spec while Shaman still have 0.

I guess this is why we have an elemental shaman top dps on heroic Rhyolith 25 man followed by an enhance shaman, and top heals are 2 resto shamans on the same fight.

Yeah, shamans, really not good in PvE.

40%, Say whaat!

Originally Posted by Spotnick

I guess this is why we have an elemental shaman top dps on heroic Rhyolith 25 man followed by an enhance shaman, and top heals are 2 resto shamans on the same fight.

Yeah, shamans, really not good in PvE.

NO, you have that because your guild is bad. You let a melee class get into the top what on Rhyolith LOL. Enhance is nowhere near topping DPS charts, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything.

Rhyolith - 25 HM http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Lord_Rhyo.../median/#3nvft LOLOLOL