Firelands Raid Changes Incoming

Originally Posted by Simca

I don't really understand why people are mad. If you wanted the challenge, there was plenty of time.Honestly, if you haven't completed the challenge by now you weren't up to it in the first place. You can try again in 4.3.

Idk sounds to me like you have no idea how hard Heroic Ragnoros actually is.

Ok, when is Star Wars coming out.....

and tbh, what is with the nerfs to the staff quests if you are going to make already easy bosses easier.... I understand that only very few have downed rag even in 10 man normal, and tbh the masses that have not (without out gearing the raid) still will not do it, it is a waste of time blizz and again another way to keep subs until 4.3 with bigger and better games coming out.

You can't have your cake and eat it, and you need to find a way to balance raid content so that it does last with out feeling like a drag, and also (i guess) allow the casual's to raid too.

but tbh what ever, thanks for breaking 4.2 raiding after what 3 months....

Saw this coming. Firelands took a toll on ALL players, not just the casual crowd. I know tons of hardcore raiders that got burnt out this tier and either quit raiding or took a break.

Keep the nerfs to the normal raids for fuck sake.. isn't that what they are there for? the casuals? Im just about done with wow, I'll continue to play it but I'm almost positive that when Guild wars 2 comes out I will be going to play that if this continues.. World of Warcraft is just going to be like another Xbox game or Wii multiplayer(like Mario Party) where you can get any group idiots and kill bosses, that's not what this game is or was about, its about getting the best of the best to take down incredible bosses with great accuracy for phat lewtz so you can say you are awesome.. Whatever, though.. Blizzard needs money so what else to get more subscribers then to make everyone equal.. Inc RL Auction House, More Mounts on the blizzard store, free achievements, Gear Sets for sell from blizzard themselves.. Ugh, /facedesk permanently.

Normal Nerfs :

- ''big bad elitist'' : cool they are nerfing normals, will make alt runs easier and more people will see the content everybody should be happy no?
- ''casual'' : yay i get to see content !

Heroic Nerfs :

-''big bad elitist'' : what the fuck blizzard, everybody can already see content, can't we have our fun?
-''casual'' : y u no want me to see content elitist dickhead
-''big bad elitist'' : its exactly the SAME as normals, just harder, why it matters to you?
-''casual'' : hurr i wanna see content durrr

Is this community for real?

i do NOT agree with this, This content is challenging in H mode and i love the way it is, i want to feel accomplished when we kill H rag not like... "wow blizz thanks for the freeb?.."

Originally Posted by Morningsan

Ppl are talking abouy that 4.3 is close... It hasnt even hit PTR yet so its atleast 2 months away unless they skip all ptr testing.

These nerfs are coming BEFORE 4.3, actually they are coming the 19th of this month, that is the first coming monday.

Well I guess it will be easier to stuff rerolls and such

This is ridiculous... The whole point of heroic level was that it was going to be exceptionally hard, and the normal levels were the ones to receive nerfs to cater for more casual gamers that didn't want to wipe endlessly on progressive gaming. This has completely contradicted that ethos, and as others have mentioned, completely cheapens the achievements of the guilds who are just lagging behind slightly. My guild started on this content well over a month late - we're doing our heroic progress now, and this has simply ruined our experience and everyone is deeply frustrated and annoyed with this change because it now means we've got no credible way of catching up with the upper end of our server's progress guilds. Blizzard has robbed us of our opportunity to progress like the other guilds, purely due to our circumstance of being a new guild. It's RIDICULOUS.

Originally Posted by Kwickslash

I don't get it.

- People want faster patches, Blizzard delivers, then community whine and say that all their content is getting nerfed.
- People say they want harder content, Blizzard delivers, then community whines when they can't PuG first tier content.
- People say they want to get gear easier, second tier comes and Blizzard delivers, people whine that they nerf content too quickly and turn the game into a grindfest.
- People say they want to live longer in PvP and want the insane burst damage gone, Blizzard increases health across the board and normalise armor and people whine when they die to a tank/healer/control based class/spec in 1v1.

You're all really convinced that Blizzard is the blame? They're just listening to their customers. the problem is their customers don't know what the fuck they want because they have played the game that long that they are bored of it because they have played it that long and subconsciously think that they are supposed to keep playing it.

As much as it may surprise you, the community does not have a consensual voice.

If you were so good at this game and such a hardcore player, you'd have cleared firelands by now.

Originally Posted by Nisala

This is ridiculous... The whole point of heroic level was that it was going to be exceptionally hard, and the normal levels were the ones to receive nerfs to cater for more casual gamers that didn't want to wipe endlessly on progressive gaming. This has completely contradicted that ethos, and as others have mentioned, completely cheapens the achievements of the guilds who are just lagging behind slightly. My guild started on this content well over a month late - we're doing our heroic progress now, and this has simply ruined our experience and everyone is deeply frustrated and annoyed with this change because it now means we've got no credible way of catching up with the upper end of our server's progress guilds. Blizzard has robbed us of our opportunity to progress like the other guilds, purely due to our circumstance of being a new guild. It's RIDICULOUS.

Oh I see. So you're saying if you were still on 4.2 Raids when the new ones came out, and you could start a normal new raid, you wouldn't? Doubtful. Your perspective is skewed, try a different approach.

Personally me, i suggest blizz stop nerfing the heck out of raids/dunguens... Just because they are going to nerf, lets see in the future Deathwing (the longest fight some say), so bad it wont be fun anymore. I raid sometimes but not all the times. But i know i fun raid when i see it. Such as BWD, they nerfed the nef, omnitron, magmaw, and chimaeron fight so much im just like * the raiding. Blizz to you, sorry if im sounding rude, BUT STOP NERFING THE RAIDS! Do it if only like 90% of the population as completed it. But now when you nerf H rag people are going to feel like they acually ocmpleted it which is a little bull. i would like a challenge and i love the challenges in places such as BC. Go back to BC and get raiding ideas form that. If for some reason you guys, blizz, release a patch or XP on a renewal of pre BC and BC that will bring back SO many people to wow. People quit wow when you started nerfing raids, unless you want another 1mil subscribers to bail on wow.But who am i telling what blizz to do. just a little idea. P.S. IM LOOKING FORWARD FOR 4.3!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Ave07

Good to see that some people will actually be given a chance to clear content or hell even see Rag on normal and heroic!

If you can't down him now, it's because you don't know your strat. You're going in and bashing your face against him. A damage nerf isn't going to fix that.

Originally Posted by Simca

I don't really understand why people are mad. If you wanted the challenge, there was plenty of time.Honestly, if you haven't completed the challenge by now you weren't up to it in the first place. You can try again in 4.3.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This times 10000000

Best news, hope they always do this. I dont want 4.3 to be out when cant down more than 2 bosses in heroic 25. Im glad its being nefered so i can have it all done before 4.3 Not when 4.3 is out to nerf it cuz most dont even wanna go back to do heroics then!!! Those that rage, shame on u! Your making people who suffer and stuggle through bosses get burnt out!

Originally Posted by Durandro

Well this sucks. My guild was just starting to pull itself together for the first time this tier, and we were going to blitz through it all. Guess we have a week to try and kill everything before it becomes so easy we could have done it while in a shambles that could barely field a 10 man team...

Oh well, cry me a river. We're not having everyone else held up because your terrible guild too forever to get anything done.

The heroic getting nerfed is a little confusing to me. Their model was for normal modes to be the content the majority of the playerbase could see and the heroics for the people who were striving for a challenge. Now you could argue that this is so people can see heroic rag since that fight is significantly different from the reg and if that IS the case then they should just nerf the first 6 bosses and not rag since he was recently nerfed anyways.Just my 27 cents on the topic...

Originally Posted by Master Guns

If you were so good at this game and such a hardcore player, you'd have cleared firelands by now.

and your progression ?

Scrubs don't need to see the content. You wonder why people quit Blizz? This is why. Stop nerfing shit into the ground so terrible players can kill shit. Firelands isn't hard if your not a moron. Casuals who complain about the content being hard, need to just go in a corner and die. GTFO out of our game. You belong playing mario kart!


Infracted. There's no need to insult people.