Raid Finder Loot Rules Update

This is simply fantastic.

Hope this works with hybrid dps'ers rolling on spirit gear.

Hmmm, not perfect. But it's a good start. Really need proper flagging of items for this to work at all, so hoping they get that right. But because it only takes into consideration your role, and doesent include spec - I am a little worried that the system isnt good enough Also, if it's possible to change roles before a bossfight, it will creat alot of drama. Since the loot you are eligible for is decided based on your current role when the boss died.

Wonder how it will work for Shadow Priests, Elemental shamans and boomkins, some times spirit gear (which is usually healer gear) is BIS because of the spirit to hit conversion.




You cant change your roll mid dungeon in LFD, assuming the same will be true of LFR since its hard coded for 2 tanks 6 healers and no need to switch roll, there wont be any need to switch it up.

So it was +100 after all, good stuff.

Very great idea, good job Blizzard.

Originally Posted by Kalx

I wonder why not make a MS need button and a OS need button and make them available to the respective specs instead of this.. wouldn't a +100 be a guaranteed win? MS can roll 1 and OS roll 100, and MS will still win with 101. so there's not much point in that

You obviously don't PVE often. People just would roll MS to get the loot.

Not all items are as obvious as plate with parry on. What if there drops EPIC SPELLPOWER RING with int, haste and mastery. This particular ring might be good for both healers and dps. Will dps get prio always because it does not have spirit? On the other hand, elemental shamans use spirit mail, so does restoration shamans. Same goes for moonkins and shadow priests with leather and cloth respectivly. Will this work only for some items, while other are ready for the plucking by everyone and their grandma's offspecs? They better make a more waterproof system then this, or the QQ will be immense Another point is bows. If it simply is flagged as dps, does that means rogues and warriors can roll need on it, or do hunters get prio? What about agility staffs, and a druid in tank spec.

Originally Posted by helheim

its a step in the right direction but i think it needs some tweaking. as stated by others the +100 is kind of shitty. example: let's say a 1h mace with spirit, spellpower and haste drops. this is primarily a healer item, however some classes - looking at you shaman and spriests - are flagged as dps and this is an obvious choice for them as well. if the item is flagged as a healer drop exclusively, and the healer say rolls a 2, but the spriest and shaman roll say a 98 and 85 respectively, the healer will win with the +100 despite being outrolled by 2 classes that can utilize the same item. imo the solution is not to add +100 to the /roll, but rather a number slightly lower, say +50. by adding a +100 to the roll, a healer could in theory roll a 1, and the shaman or spriest in my example could both roll 100, and the healer would win because of the modifier on the roll. in another example, let's say that like in firelands, there is a low quantity of spirit cloth gear. as a result a wrist drops with haste and mastery and int. before the removal of healing power and homogenization with spell power, this would be a clear as day dps item. in todays wow, this item is both a healer AND dps caster item. how is this item flagged? if it is flagged as a healer item, the dps will lose every time, again due to the modifier on the roll. while this system is an improvement over the standard need over greed system in place on live realms right now, just like in life, some one is going to end up getting the short end of the stick.

they may not just flag things by role, but may be flagged by role w/ class influence. or all "caster" items (int) count for casters, regardless of spirit or not. (tho i like the former better)

The only thing that is bad about this system is something that Blizzard sadly can't do much about. For example, I have all the tanking gear I want, but my Fury warrior friend still wants items but he can't roll on them since there are other tanks who need the items. So, I join the raid finder with him as a tank, and when the tanking item he wants drops, I roll and get the +100 roll and perhaps winning over the others. Then I just trade the item to him and go about as if nothing has happened. Not that I'd ever do this personally, it's just a scenario that could happen at a few occassions.

Originally Posted by helheim

its a step in the right direction but i think it needs some tweaking. as stated by others the +100 is kind of shitty. example: let's say a 1h mace with spirit, spellpower and haste drops. this is primarily a healer item, however some classes - looking at you shaman and spriests - are flagged as dps and this is an obvious choice for them as well. if the item is flagged as a healer drop exclusively, and the healer say rolls a 2, but the spriest and shaman roll say a 98 and 85 respectively, the healer will win with the +100 despite being outrolled by 2 classes that can utilize the same item. imo the solution is not to add +100 to the /roll, but rather a number slightly lower, say +50. by adding a +100 to the roll, a healer could in theory roll a 1, and the shaman or spriest in my example could both roll 100, and the healer would win because of the modifier on the roll. in another example, let's say that like in firelands, there is a low quantity of spirit cloth gear. as a result a wrist drops with haste and mastery and int. before the removal of healing power and homogenization with spell power, this would be a clear as day dps item. in todays wow, this item is both a healer AND dps caster item. how is this item flagged? if it is flagged as a healer item, the dps will lose every time, again due to the modifier on the roll. while this system is an improvement over the standard need over greed system in place on live realms right now, just like in life, some one is going to end up getting the short end of the stick.

''and some items are flagged for more than one class role too''

It only took them 6 years to figure this out.

if they swap to tanking role they wont get to roll for dps gear with a bonusroll but ofc they might only be after tankgear

What is the point of this? Person A rolls Greed, Person B rolls Need. What does the bonus even matter if Need rolls are placed ahead of Greed anyway?

Originally Posted by Ineras

I wonder if +spi items will be considered MS by this system for both healers and shadowpriests/boomkin/ele shamans?

I don't see why not. They're 100% viable for those DPS.

Originally Posted by frag971

So what prevents having all fury, cats, retris and frostDKs to select tanking role just before the pull and have +100 on that last item they want from that specific boss?

The fact that you can't just randomly change your role all the time...just like in LFD.

Originally Posted by fangless

What is the point of this? Person A rolls Greed, Person B rolls Need. What does the bonus even matter if Need rolls are placed ahead of Greed anyway?

To stop people from Need rolling on things for offspec, or winning need rolls over people who actually need things.

Took em long enough to implement MS > OS. Good job though, such an easy and awesome fix.

Originally Posted by fangless

What is the point of this? Person A rolls Greed, Person B rolls Need. What does the bonus even matter if Need rolls are placed ahead of Greed anyway?

It's not dealing with Greed/Need, it's dealing with MS/OS.

But if I go raid / dungeon as a fury warrior, but my dual spect is protection, then I will want roll a tank item.

Good change, I do hope though that cloth items with +hit will be seen exclusively as damagedealer and I get my +100 if a priest healer decides to roll on it too

Well how about elemental and resto shamans - elemental use spirit gear and restos use non-spirit gear... how should that work?