Raid Finder Loot Rules Update

it applies to Tanking, Damage Dealing, and Healing items, and some items are flagged for more than one class role too.

Wonder how it will work for Shadow Priests, Elemental shamans and boomkins, some times spirit gear (which is usually healer gear) is BIS because of the spirit to hit conversion.

i swear do people not read. if could be both a healing and a dps item, then obviously both of them will be able to roll on it... spirit mace drops... ele shammy and holy pali get the 100+ need bonusenh shammy and prot pali who decides he wants it for OS doesnt get the 100 bonus------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------example 2expertise/mastery 1 hand str axe drops, both tanks and melee dps can roll on it with the bonus. ranged, casters, and healers dont get the bonus. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------example 3any 2 hand str weapon, blood dks and melee[ uh dk, ret pali, arms/fury war, get to roll on with bonus.

Incoming ppl whining about rolling for offspec... I like this idea. I can see where it can cause some issues tho.

Originally Posted by Quakefan

But if I go raid / dungeon as a fury warrior, but my dual spect is protection, then I will want roll a tank item.

Tough.

You can start out like everyone else in that case and work your way up with gear as you tank, thus earning your gear not expecting to get it by performing another role.

Originally Posted by rayoshi

Hope this works with hybrid dps'ers rolling on spirit gear.

And the other way around too. As a Teluric Currents shaman, sometimes I avoid as much spirit as I can, making some gear without spirit and 2 other secondary stats BiS for me.

This is a great change. Its way overdue, but better late than never.

Originally Posted by Chaoslux

I have a feeling they'll flag dps items as damage dealing. Where they could be flagging "Healer only" or "DPS Only" seems to be in trinkets and such.

shard of woe comes to mind. our hpally and disc priest would love to have it, but so would our arcane mage. lack of spirit gear in firelands made our caster dps have to share traditionally dps only items with priest heals due to the lack of said gear. hopefully blizzard doesn't screw the pooch with this whole thing.

I imagine Blizzard will work out a solution where blood death knights can roll need+100 on two-handed strength weapons where a protection pally/warrior can't. Same with a feral druid not being able to roll need+100 on spirit/leather, even though another dps druid (boomkin) can.

Feral tanks should have to roll against someone anyway. All the plate tanks roll against each other. It would be broken if ferals didn't have to roll against anyone.

I think they should mark 2h weapons as both tank and dps. Otherwise Blood DKs would never get a new weapon out of RRF. Caster DPS and Healers roll on the same weapons too, so it would be fair imo.

So as a boomkin I'd be able to roll on leather agi loot (since its not spec-based only role-based), which would have to include feral dps/tanking and rogue pieces (with the possible exception being leather with dodge as that would likely be flagged as a tank item), AND leather healing items. So cept for trinkets and a few odd pieces here and there, I can still roll need on everything and get the +100 bonus. Sweet.

Originally Posted by helheim

its a step in the right direction but i think it needs some tweaking. as stated by others the +100 is kind of shitty. example: let's say a 1h mace with spirit, spellpower and haste drops. this is primarily a healer item, however some classes - looking at you shaman and spriests - are flagged as dps and this is an obvious choice for them as well. if the item is flagged as a healer drop exclusively, and the healer say rolls a 2, but the spriest and shaman roll say a 98 and 85 respectively, the healer will win with the +100 despite being outrolled by 2 classes that can utilize the same item. imo the solution is not to add +100 to the /roll, but rather a number slightly lower, say +50. by adding a +100 to the roll, a healer could in theory roll a 1, and the shaman or spriest in my example could both roll 100, and the healer would win because of the modifier on the roll. in another example, let's say that like in firelands, there is a low quantity of spirit cloth gear. as a result a wrist drops with haste and mastery and int. before the removal of healing power and homogenization with spell power, this would be a clear as day dps item. in todays wow, this item is both a healer AND dps caster item. how is this item flagged? if it is flagged as a healer item, the dps will lose every time, again due to the modifier on the roll. while this system is an improvement over the standard need over greed system in place on live realms right now, just like in life, some one is going to end up getting the short end of the stick.

I think Blizz will pay some attention while classifying items. The mace in your first example would be flagged as both DPS and healing stuff, so both the healer and the spriest/ele shammy will get the bonus. Easy!

Originally Posted by frag971

So what prevents having all fury, cats, retris and frostDKs to select tanking role just before the pull and have +100 on that last item they want from that specific boss?

its like dungeon finder...you're roll is set for what you que as. You can't just change it.

Originally Posted by Ineras

And? As I said, I doubt they would let +spi items be able to get the bonus for healers AND dps simply because I doubt they want mages and warlocks to roll on +spi items. So the item would be flagged as healer + hybrid dps if it was possible, which it isn't at the moment considering specs aren't put into play, only roles.

They would probably only flag certain dps rolls as eligible for the loot, meaning a mage wouldn't be able to roll ms for it but a boomy might.

So the item would be flagged as healer + hybrid dps if it was possible, which it isn't at the moment considering specs aren't put into play, only roles.

If its flagged for more than one role (Which they stated there going to do) then yes it is possible. Doesn't have to be all dps, it can be a specific class that's flagged. They already flag specific classes/specs in the normal LFD so why wouldn't that work here?

Okay, in software engineering, we call this a HACK. Somebody forgot the intended use of "GREED" and "NEED" so they decided to patch it. Instead of allowing the FURY warrior to need an item that is not for their spec, they should simply disable the need button for them. A mage on the other hand should NOT be allowed to greed on items they can't use.This need-greed stuff is BS anyway, make it clear - offspec roll, main-spec roll, vendor/de roll.

Yeah, lots of people don't get the idea... Not all classes have the role ninja. This system is not aimed to give everyone one SURE NEED ROLL, it's pointed to avoid people to get gear that will be left getting dust in the backpack, until the person decides to try the offspec.
The whole point is to have people using the item drop immediately, so of course there are some items external to this system, as the bear tanks.

2Handers and Blood DK tanks say big
HI
I guess?

I love this change, pugs are gonna have much less drama.

I approved this. I Have still a bitter taste in my mount since a Tank ((read here a warrior)) rolled my Dps two hand weapon for his offspec fury warrior in Zulgurub. Finally Blizz done something wise here. I expect many ninja QQ very soon.

Really good of Blizz to do this.

The one drawback I'll call out now (because I'm sure it's gonna happen) is tanks complaining because they have no chance of winning that +450 mastery trinket with a 2k Strength on-use because it will only be flagged for dps. I know tanks who stack mastery now often do this already.

Alright if I understand this correctly...Spirit on any non-plate - healer/damage (classes that can't use spirit can't roll need.)Spirit on plate - healerDodge/Shield block - tankStr/Agi - tank/damageInt - healer/damageHit - damage/tankTrinkets - Individually set based on special effectTier pieces - allThis mean that an Enh shaman/cat druid can roll on gear with spirit since spirit is a dps stat for a spec they play, even though they aren't that spec. A healer can't roll on agi/str/hit gear. A shadow priest can roll on both gear with spirit or hit. Remember there is still a restriction that you can only roll need if you can use all the stats on the item. I didn't list exp since it never appears with int.

Originally Posted by pacapaca

So as a boomkin I'd be able to roll on leather agi loot (since its not spec-based only role-based), which would have to include feral dps/tanking and rogue pieces (with the possible exception being leather with dodge as that would likely be flagged as a tank item), AND leather healing items. So cept for trinkets and a few odd pieces here and there, I can still roll need on everything and get the +100 bonus. Sweet.

Yeah, dps druids and shaman seem to be the biggest potential problems if the system won't monitor spec. Probably the most obvious solution would be to split the dps role into melee dps and ranged dps, which should solve it while still having it only monitor class and role. Who knows if they're planning on doing that though.