Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology

I dont understand the basis of posting an apology of something you knew you were doing wrong to begin with.. thats like cheating on your wife, then going and saying sorry.. you knew what you were doing, you did it anyway.. if you were -really- sorry you wouldn't have done it in the first place and took the moral high ground.

like Blood Legion, here's hoping BL now gets the world first, since they were one of the only guilds to not jump on the cheating bandwagon, and instead chose to take the moral high ground. kudos to them.

Originally Posted by Tmoney511

So people get punished for Blizzards mistake in not finding this bug.....

This reminds me of the scene in "The Hangover" where Alan says that they deserve a reward for finding the police car.

Yeah, sorry they got caught...

Originally Posted by kazih

What do people mean when they say "They're only sorry because they got caught". All the top guilds were certain the exploit would be public, only reason they did it was because they didnt expect blizzard to bann them due to what happened with earlier exploits ovet the years.

Ok. "They are only sorry they didn't get away with it" and possibly that they lost a few of their army of fanbois.

Originally Posted by Zivy

Bottom line. Cheaters gonna cheat. So many of the top guilds in the world exploit the game to some degree. Does it affect the rest of the player base? No, probably not.

Many top raiding guilds have bot networks for mats/money making to support their raiding. This does effect the normal player base quite a bit.

I really find it Hilarious everyone bashing on Paragon for doing something EVERY OTHER GUILD HAS DONE THIS WEEK. Does noone even pay attention? YOu cant bash on one Top 10 Raiding guild without bashing on them all for doing the same shit. Just cause Paragon posted an apology, everyone seems to be stuck up their asses trying to get blizzard to permaban them when they are at no more fault then the other guilds. Go complain somewhere else about this. They said they were sorry, whats done is done. They get the 8 day ban. Its all up to blizzard what they do, and does not concern any of you casuals or what you think. Just let them all deal with it.

Below is a copy of the blue post that just came out with the paragon apology thread, but I think it readsdifferently then it is probably intended to. To me it reads that if you down a boss but it drops nothing you want, you pass on everything (not rolling), and then you can kill that boss again hoping it drops what you want??

I doubt that is the way blizzard has intended it to be.. Any thoughts?


Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Shortly after patch 4.3 was released, we became aware that some players were abusing an exploit to obtain loot from the same Raid Finder bosses multiple times in a single raid lockout period (one week). The Raid Finder loot mechanic is of course intended to only allow a person to roll on boss loot drops once per raid lockout period. The raid lockout mechanic has been a mainstay of the World of Warcraft rules since Onyxia and Molten Core, ensuring that no one can obtain loot from a boss more than once per lockout. Due to the nature of the exploit and the clear intent of those who abused it, they've been issued notices and given temporary suspensions from the game. We’re also working to remove all Raid Finder items from those who used the exploit.

Originally Posted by Gritalian

It's similar to Tournament Theory. Paragon is at the top, they are promoted as the best guild, which in turns creates an environment where 10,000 guilds strive to play at that level where reality is maybe 10 guilds actually have that possibility. But as such, it creates a sense of competition that is then applied to servers, where you have guilds who finish weeks if not months behind Paragon, yet are competing against guilds on their server for server firsts.

Paragon is the figurehead for competitive raiding, as they are on the top. Raiding guilds striving to be first just on their server are influenced by the best guild(s) in the world. It's the same way kids in little league look up to MLB players. Then you find out that the guild that inspires you to perform better is cheating and taking short cuts, and it kind of diminishes what they are all about.

If they are cheating for LFR gear, you have to question what other tactics they've used in the past. Ensidia fell out of favor with the WoW community when using the saronite bombs on Lich King, I imagine this will result in the same for Paragon.

If so why should lowbie players be getting week long bans for it then, they play to their own means, not some competitive ladder.

I know wtf an exploit is and the ToS, I already known Blizzard has rights and control over everything I just disagree with it ALL.

I think its a stupid concept to excuse themselves for their mistakes but say "fuck all you guys, for being tempted by raining money (aka loot)"

I think the most moral fair way, is to remover gear all gains from it, then start everybody off fresh like it never happened. When both parties are at fault, not one side should be punished while the other can sit back comfortably. Besides I am pretty sure this bug has been reported, there are millions of players they are just being the big ol Blizzard they are people keep saying it like its some secret that NOBODY else would figure out. A bug like that is quite 'in the face' of players not something you go out of your way to do or grief people by any extreme manner, that requires research, timing, scripts or hacks.

WOW, people humbly accepting a just punishment. I'm both shocked and impressed. Bad Paragon for using an exploit, good Paragon for accepting the consequences.

Paragon members who did this should have gotten perma banned,as well as Paragon should never be allowed to do raid testing for Blizzard anymore.Since that guild is supposedly held in high regard by some people,their punishment should be more severe.

Originally Posted by Tanthalus

and the fail US guilds who abused LFR as master loot? thats exploitng and cheating just as much - take 22 alts whio are saved so 1 of 3 mains can get the tier token.

The way you distribute loot in LFR doesn't matter, it only matters if you loot a boss and don't get locked to it and can loot the same boss again.

You are perfectly allowed to queue with 25 raiders and award loot as you wish ONCE a week PER boss.

Originally Posted by Grooes

Yeah, sorry they got caught...

This, above this text.

people who bashed blizzard for allowing exploits in wow also must say apology. But i think they wont be come out of thier caves for like 6 months because of shame.

Originally Posted by Drekavac

Um...no? ustupidbro?

You know ALL I see if QQing about this exploit. Yes they did something wrong so did everyone else in the top guilds(not all). I trust blizzard when they say they will fix this been with this game for so long and I have had issues and stuff but they always fix it. I think everyone should just back off what done is done. They got banned for a bit and they will learn their lesson. They and other guilds will come back on top like always. Even tho on there site they did say sorry I do agree it does not make it right what they did.


An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.

That is the meaning of exploit. So for all you retards do not do it .....Happy gaming


Infracted; please don't call names.

Originally Posted by Maximus4004

Alot of people forget that the week off from jobs the guild members applied for was the week that they were banned. It will not only set them back the 8 days of the lockout, it will mess with the RL of many of their players who took the wrong week off for competetive raiding(most employers wont let you just switch weeks because you were banned), I will be completely surprised if any of those guilds catch up and break top 10. Unless the stuff is just ludicrously difficult.

thats cute, you assume they have jobs ;-)

This did not provide the raid with any extra loot

Well that was a flatout lie. They knew full well they they were only allowed to have 1 piece of loot and chose to instead abuse abuse a bug and now they are paying the price along with quite a few other players. Just because one person does it doesn't mean it's ok for you to do it.

At least they owned up to it. *cough* Eredar Twins *Cough*

Originally Posted by tielknight

Well that was a flatout lie. They knew full well they they were only allowed to have 1 piece of loot and chose to instead abuse abuse a bug and now they are paying the price along with quite a few other players. Just because one person does it doesn't mean it's ok for you to do it.

It's also cute that he thinks they have real-lives.

For all those who didn't understand, read Paragon's statement. THEY know it was wrong. THEY accept responsibility for it. Why others in the community can't understand that cheating is wrong and punishment for cheating is warranted is beyond me. I'm VERY glad to see Paragon owning up to their actions. I dunno if this is due to their sponsors or their own moral code, but either way, I'm glad. The exploit didn't affect me one iota, but knowing that cheating is punished creates a better gaming environment.

Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac

It does when you miss out a legitimate World First by milliseconds to a guild that resorted to such exploits.

And this means what? So you can't brag on the internet to other people who brag on the internet?