Raid Finder Loot Exploit Suspensions, Paragon Apology

Ok there are two parts in the story.
First those who exploided the bug knowingly and abusively, well, thats what happens when you get caught. Its in the terms of Blizzard, and you signed up for it.

For alll those who were in a group that exploided the bug and had supposedly no clue what was going on, well there I must sy that legally speaking, Blizzard has absolutely no right to ban them in anyy way. The conditions say that even if you did not exploit yourself, taking any form of advantage of being there, or knowing whats happening is sufficient. However the knowing part is to be proven by Blizzard, and the one thing I hate most about situations like this, is the people who have to pay just because they were not aware of what was happening.
Truth is, it is well known that Blizzard does not care about the legal rights of their players (would you honestly try to sue them for your account ?) and thus just bans everyone. Fine for those who deserve it, but too bad nobody cares for those who dont.

Generally, Blizzard is also repsonsible up to the point that they should take appropriate measures to prevent bugs and this seems a bit to easy for me, after the patch "slept" for quite a while on test realms...

Originally Posted by tuxedobob

I'm pretty sure the only thing they're sorry about is that they got caught.

Should've been a lifetime ban.

You should get a lifetime ban for being stupid.

The funny part is, is that they called it a bug, when it's clearly an exploit.

Originally Posted by Sonic018

Ok there are two parts in the story.
First those who exploided the bug knowingly and abusively, well, thats what happens when you get caught. Its in the terms of Blizzard, and you signed up for it.

For alll those who were in a group that exploided the bug and had supposedly no clue what was going on, well there I must sy that legally speaking, Blizzard has absolutely no right to ban them in anyy way.

Actually legally speaking blizzard can bann who ever they want, whenever they want. U do not own your account or any of the items on it. Its all blizzards, and u agreed to that when u made the account.
So legally speaking, they can bann u for walking in cirkles.

Originally Posted by Elerion

I love how the only guild that actually has the balls to make a public apology seems to be getting 90% of the community's hate directed at them, it's like people are forgetting that Ensidia, Envy, Method and others did the exact same thing Paragon did and had the exact same reasoning Paragon did (other's did it so we did it too to remain competitive). Hypocrisy at it's finest from the community when we take into account that most other top guilds exploit just as much as Paragon does.

QFT.

Heres hoping Paragon or Method still come back strong and show the world (of warcraft) what is up and get 1st and 2nd kills. With such a big lead by these other "innocent" guild *1 week head start* it may be tough but I think these two guild can pull it off. Imagine the forum QQs once that happen

Originally Posted by Dela2k10

This pretty much sums it all up:

This picture is priceless! LMAO!

That's not much of an apology. That's thinly veiled QQ: "We were only doing it because everyone else was. We only did Firelands on night one, honest." A world ranked guild with corporate sponsors should hold themselves to a higher standard. And if they can't do it, then Blizz should do it for them.

Meanwhile, everyone over looks Stars having two Firelands lockouts per week. Hence being able to get DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF LEGENDARY STAVES, COMPARED TO EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME.

Originally Posted by Sonic018

Ok there are two parts in the story.
First those who exploided the bug knowingly and abusively, well, thats what happens when you get caught. Its in the terms of Blizzard, and you signed up for it.

For alll those who were in a group that exploided the bug and had supposedly no clue what was going on, well there I must sy that legally speaking, Blizzard has absolutely no right to ban them in anyy way. The conditions say that even if you did not exploit yourself, taking any form of advantage of being there, or knowing whats happening is sufficient. However the knowing part is to be proven by Blizzard, and the one thing I hate most about situations like this, is the people who have to pay just because they were not aware of what was happening.
Truth is, it is well known that Blizzard does not care about the legal rights of their players (would you honestly try to sue them for your account ?) and thus just bans everyone. Fine for those who deserve it, but too bad nobody cares for those who dont.

Generally, Blizzard is also repsonsible up to the point that they should take appropriate measures to prevent bugs and this seems a bit to easy for me, after the patch "slept" for quite a while on test realms...

Agree with this. Blizzard have used a sledgehammer to sort out a small itch, the impact of which has caught a lot of innocents.

But like you said, they care little for the individual legal rights of players. If they did, they'd have not got into this mess.

Good to see them taking it like men.

Originally Posted by croana

That's not much of an apology. That's thinly veiled QQ: "We were only doing it because everyone else was. We only did Firelands on night one, honest." A world ranked guild with corporate sponsors should hold themselves to a higher standard. And if they can't do it, then Blizz should do it for them.

THat was a decent apology. They said they did abuse it and that others doing it too didnt make it right. And theyl'll accept the consequences. How is that not an apology? Think you are trying to read something into it really.
And I do agree they shouldn't have done it, but instead reported it.

In the moments like this, WoW community shows, that big part of its player base are envious, evil, nationalist kids.

It was admirable that Paragon did acknowledge what occurred since it will leave a stain on there reputation.

its all bollocks - blood legion took 22 saved alts so 3 mains could get tokens - thats exploiting the LFR loot system - so wheres there ban then....

They said why they did it, they said it was wrong, they apologized and got punished for their actions. Yet people have to keep hammering (trolling/flaming) them for what they did. And people here keep using the same stupid arguments over and over without reading anyone elses comments. It's really pointless. And when some random unknown person would exploit no one cares but now it's such a big deal. Where are the ten hundred pages threads about bots farming battlegrounds? Which is far worse than this because that actually does affect your gameplay. Pathetic. It's just like when everyone flips out when Britney Spears (or some other star) does something meaningless. I really do not understand it. It doesn't hurt you and she still makes good music. Get over it...

Should have been 6 month bans at least. They are not a bunch of newbies - they new very well what was happening and made the best of it. A pity Blizz is not going to strip them of all their gear - and gold. 8 days is just not long enough for cheaters. Will always be wondering now how they cheated in other ways - just this time they got caught. Feeble apology from a bunch of (now) losers. I hope the thrill of the cheat was worth it in the long run guys - you have lost so much through it.

Originally Posted by Gilian

They said why they did it, they said it was wrong, they apologized and got punished for their actions. Yet people have to keep hammering (trolling/flaming) them for what they did. And people here keep using the same stupid arguments over and over without reading anyone elses comments. It's really pointless. And when some random unknown person would exploit no one cares but now it's such a big deal. Where are the ten hundred pages threads about bots farming battlegrounds? Which is far worse than this because that actually does affect your gameplay. Pathetic. It's just like when everyone flips out when Britney Spears (or some other star) does something meaningless. I really do not understand it. It doesn't hurt you and she still makes good music. Get over it...

It's because a guild who knew better... did it anyway. They got caught and then are trying to save face.

Originally Posted by Saffa

Should have been 6 month bans at least. They are not a bunch of newbies - they new very well what was happening and made the best of it. A pity Blizz is not going to strip them of all their gear - and gold. 8 days is just not long enough for cheaters. Will always be wondering now how they cheated in other ways - just this time they got caught. Feeble apology from a bunch of (now) losers. I hope the thrill of the cheat was worth it in the long run guys - you have lost so much through it.

Heck, why stop there? This is obviously a crime of epic proportions. Let them get jail-time IRL for at least a 100 years and put them in maximum security prison. With Saffa as a whining guard. Djeesus.

Can't help but feeling a bit sad for all the raging teens in this thread.Might be worth pointing out that Paragon didnt post that message saying they are sorry to avoid the punishment from Blizzard like a few misguided individuals in this thread seem to think.So rather than saving face and avoiding punishments I think they simply thought it was better to come out with a statement rather than saying nothing at all. (on this I agree)Shame people abused the exploit, good that Blizzard acted and handed out punishments. Disappointing though that Blizzard have been and continue being very inconsistant in their punishments. Clearly they wanted to make an example of these guilds with the new "8 day suspension" time.. making them miss the entire first week of hardmodes.

blizz may have breaches here and there... and its acceptable to want to take advantage of it at early stages- not after 7 years . its always the same, there's a breach ppl exploit it and think nothing will happen to them, wrong. History shows players were punished every single time... so why try yet again to exploit? its a player's responsibility to overlook these exploits and play the game as intended. Yeah, i knew of this exploit from patch day 1, but why the hell would i do it? i know that perhaps i wont be punished instantly but surely a few days later it will... and for what? a couple of items? players need to understand there will be many exploits to come but they need to ignore it entirely, its quite simple really.