Items - New Class Restrictions 12/13/2011

Originally Posted by Draeblin

Hunters never need expertise. Your brother is wrong.

i did say that ur a bit slow m8

yah i did see a pally with the polearm, and yesterday on reg the souldrinker dropped, our dps dk bitched it went to our paladin tank, we never had a tank sword drop from firelands ever, he kept saying he won the roll for it... escuse me dks can roll on it because its the higuest 1h but sorry tank> dps

Originally Posted by Nasriel

Yes I think this is a fantastic idea! I did a LFR with my guild and was extremely ashamed of my guild when 2x Gurthalak dropped and one was won by my guild huntard and the other was won by my guild Paladin tank... they thought it was a great joke... I was too embarrassed to stay in the raid group with my name associated with ninjasI would also like to see some kind of change implemented that if they already have normal tier the roll bonus is lost... that same run and same Paladin tank rolled need on the LFR T13 helm token even though he was running around with his T13 normal helm -_- which stopped people who ACTUALLY needed it ie: myself and whoever else qualified for the piece getting it. Selfish people in LFR are frustrating!

I think you've made a pretty good case for finding a new guild. OT, can stuff you need in LFR be traded or does it become soulbound like items in 5-mans? And if it does become soulbound can you still trade it with others that were in for the kill for the next 2 hrs?

Originally Posted by Enderfish

I think you've made a pretty good case for finding a new guild. OT, can stuff you need in LFR be traded or does it become soulbound like items in 5-mans? And if it does become soulbound can you still trade it with others that were in for the kill for the next 2 hrs?

i think the stuff is compleatly untradeable

the main part is in bold

With the speed at which a Raid Finder group moves through a zone, we’ve found that it makes it challenging for players to evaluate loot decisions


What a nice way to put it lol. Loot equipmentally challenged must the new pc way to say, fucking retards.

Blizzard is truly a bunch of asses. They blame people rolling on gear they shouldn't be able to.........on the raid moving too fast? And not people being complete asses, or how about this, YOU SCREWED UP. Allowing str users to roll on agility, and visa versa in the first place was a huge mistake that blizzard clearly let go through the ptr in the first place. As if people didn't report it.

Originally Posted by Jaiie

It's trade-able - provided that the person is in your raid at the time of the boss kill, is not restricted (by class/token) from otherwise using it, and it has not hit the expiration window for trading. You could simply mouse-over the item to confirm this.

hmm didnt work when i tred it a few times thats why i was under the impression thta it didnt work

ah well thats good to know

As a DK tank I took the feral/hunter polearm from LFR earlier (only one hunter in the raid, was dead 90% of the fight).However the first sentance in the blue post isn't clear to me entirely.Am I reading it right that I can ticket a GM to have my polearm turned into a Gurthalak?That would be pretty awesome

Originally Posted by Alayea

What gets me about this thread is not the news, but the reaction to it. "Off-spec" stopped truly being off-spec since patch 3.1, when the dual-spec system was introduced. There are many players who choose to stick to one spec, but there are many who don't as well. Myself, I very frequently switch between resto and enhance and so I have need rolled on "off-spec" before in 5-player instances and even a couple raids. The difference between the jerks and I is that I bother with asking first when it's not clear if anyone else needs the item in question. I've even given up items that I won to another player who needed it more (sometimes without even being prompted to). I do this because I want to be a nice person and be treated the same way in return.

So, I don't like some of the suggestions regarding which should be restricted to what. I agree it's not fun at all to have an agi class/spec roll on str, or having some sort of pseudo-secret shenanigans going on, etc. I've been there my share of times throughout the years. I just don't want Blizzard to become so zealous in attempting to regulate player behavior that people like myself end up suffering for it.

That's my 2¢ anyway.

Honestly, if you want to gear your OS, that's fine, but you should be in there for the roll you want the gear for.
It just absolutely sucks when you're on your 39th run of H Deadmines, and when your helm finally drops for the first time, the tank Needs on it. And this was back at the start of Cata, when Deadmines could literally take 4 hours, and you could go through 10 people trying to pass it...

Having to ask 24 random strangers in LFR if it's ok if you need on all the healing gear just isn't a good idea.

Originally Posted by hypermode

As a DK tank I took the feral/hunter polearm from LFR earlier (only one hunter in the raid, was dead 90% of the fight).However the first sentance in the blue post isn't clear to me entirely.Am I reading it right that I can ticket a GM to have my polearm turned into a Gurthalak?That would be pretty awesome

Dont think so, i think it only means that you get the item back that you had before you looted(ninjaed) the polearm.

How the hell is my death knight supposed to get his healing set now!?

Glad I ninja-traded the polearm to my guilds hunter in time.

Awesome, 1h str dps sword for pallies

Originally Posted by hypermode

As a DK tank I took the feral/hunter polearm from LFR earlier (only one hunter in the raid, was dead 90% of the fight).However the first sentance in the blue post isn't clear to me entirely.Am I reading it right that I can ticket a GM to have my polearm turned into a Gurthalak?That would be pretty awesome

No, they'll restore the weapon you used to wear if you deleted it on acquiring the polearm.

Originally Posted by mcmar

Awesome, 1h str dps sword for pallies

It's technically a tanking sword.

expertise ring 4 hunters...lolz

Blizzard is just SHIT at itemizing, obviously you do NOT put expertise on one of the TWO only agi rings that drop...

I don't give a flying **** about LFR loot because there is other alternatives at same ilevel, but its a problem when we start talking BiS items. Then the hunters can ONLY get one ring from Heroic mode that is of any use and are forced to use the Valor one as second = 410+397 rings, where feral/enhance/rogue can use 2x410

As if we weren't far enough behind already when it comes to BiS gear due to our terrible scaling, this just makes it even worse. GJ !

What about [Kiril, Fury of Beasts]? It's an agi polearm yet pallies can roll need on it? PROT pallies at that? /stupid

Originally Posted by sondok

It's technically a tanking sword.

Wrong. There's a reason why DKs can roll on it still.

Originally Posted by Nelle

Blizzard is just SHIT at itemizing, obviously you do NOT put expertise on one of the TWO only agi rings that drop...

I don't give a flying **** about LFR loot because there is other alternatives at same ilevel, but its a problem when we start talking BiS items. Then the hunters can ONLY get one ring from Heroic mode that is of any use and are forced to use the Valor one as second = 410+397 rings, where feral/enhance/rogue can use 2x410

As if we weren't far enough behind already when it comes to BiS gear due to our terrible scaling, this just makes it even worse. GJ !

NEWSFLASH ilevel of an item isnt everything there are many items wit lower ilevels that beat many hc pieces

Originally Posted by Serpentsatellite

Honestly, if you want to gear your OS, that's fine, but you should be in there for the roll you want the gear for.

As I commented earlier, off-spec doesn't really mean what it used to back when we didn't have the dual-spec system. So I suppose we agree to disagree on that point.

Originally Posted by Serpentsatellite

It just absolutely sucks when you're on your 39th run of H Deadmines, and when your helm finally drops for the first time, the tank Needs on it. And this was back at the start of Cata, when Deadmines could literally take 4 hours, and you could go through 10 people trying to pass it...

Well hopefully the tank would be considerate of others' needs. If not, yes, I can understand the frustration it would cause on the DPS' end.

Originally Posted by Serpentsatellite

Having to ask 24 random strangers in LFR if it's ok if you need on all the healing gear just isn't a good idea.

That, I do agree on. I believe that was another one of my reasons for opposing the creation of the LFR tool because while meeting up with four other random players can work out most of the time, I was and still am very skeptical about that holding true for raids. Despite all what I just typed, though, I probably will end up utilizing the LFR simply out of necessity. :/

Best of luck to us all.