Dragon Soul and Firelands Statistics, Blue Posts, Poll

Only 4% of players have killed Deathwing on normal or heroic difficulty? That's quite surprising, I thought it would be much higher. Clearly LFR is working as intended but I don't consider it real raiding. It's easy mode where there are little to no consequences for poor raiding habits. Sure, it's a great addition to the game letting non raiders see endgame content, I agree. But that 4% number has me thinking now the WoW raiding is in seriously bad shape. I hope they fix this!I really enjoy the stats, MMO, keep it up!

I think this is sort of a misleading statistic. Anyone who's done LFR has killed Deathwing because it's really not any harder than anything else in there.A lot of active raiders have not killed Deathwing yet but have 5-7 bosses down. I think a far more interesting statistic would be seeing how many people have killed each boss in LFR, normal mode/heroic mode.

LFR is the biggest mistake they ever made so far! The progression path has been broken since wotlk and the LFR is another step back. Older raids are no longer done just because LFG and LFR award way better gear! There is no need for players to ever do these raids anymore. This is just my point of view and I understand that other players see the LFR as a great new experience, but when I see people with a full LFR gear set pugging normal Dragon Soul their skill makes me wanna cry.

Originally Posted by Dimitrias

You got SWTOR now and still "The lack of any other better game to play" ... whow some people are never happy.

It's a completely valid statement. The game has its strengths (I daresay it's set a new bar for how good questing can be), but is hardly the be-all, end-all MMO. Not by a long shot.

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Originally Posted by hydora

LFR is the biggest mistake they ever made so far! The progression path has been broken since wotlk and the LFR is another step back. Older raids are no longer done just because LFG and LFR award way better gear! There is no need for players to ever do these raids anymore. This is just my point of view and I understand that other players see the LFR as a great new experience, but when I see people with a full LFR gear set pugging normal Dragon Soul their skill makes me wanna cry.

Older raids that are fun are still done for a) mounts, b) transmog gear, or c) just because they're fun. If an older tier becomes a ghost town, it's because it doesn't satisfy any of these requisites. Pretty simple. The fact that Black Temple is pugged more than T11 should tell you something

i really wanted the choices in that poll to be ''alexstraza'' ''ysera'' ''malygos/kalecgos'' and ''nozdormu'' :P

But that 4% number has me thinking now the WoW raiding is in seriously bad shape.

Similar numbers of people killed Kil'Jaeden and Kel'Thuzad IIRC (both of which took fewer days to kill from the previous boss than Spine of Deathwing. Not saying, just saying. Y'know.)

"The lack of any other better game to play" . . .

Shouldn't this option read "lack of any other better MMOs to play" or "I'm addicted to WoW and sheer inertia prevents me from trying anything else?"

Look at all those lack of other better MMO's to play. I wonder how many people voted for that without ever playing any other MMO's.

Originally Posted by Troghdor

Look at all those lack of other better MMO's to play. I wonder how many people voted for that without ever playing any other MMO's.

...I think LOTS and LOTS of WoW folks have tried LOTS and LOTS of other MMOs...after all, it's what we do!

I wondered about this too... My answers were "alts" (17 of them) and "pvp" which I once hated and then, on the day I was quitting WoW, about a month after Cata dropped, I somehow had such a blast in a bg and now have 7 toons I pvp with all the time. Am I good, nah... but I have fun.

About that same time I started trying every MMORPG/RTS and on-line "immersion game" I could, looking for a WoW replacement. I mostly stuck with Free To Plays, but also buying the occasional login (ie: Rift). There is something to like about almost all of the on-liners...but inevitably the sum of the parts can't beat WoW. One of the early posts mentioned WoWs responsive NOW controls and feedback and lifelike character movements -- exactly what must be present before things like lore, quest variety, and player immersion are even thought about - and WoW has all of these. Is it perfect? No.

Rift -- lasted about 2 weeks for me, enough time to have a toon up to lev 12 and another to lev 6...just too dark and empty.
AOC -- yuck. Movement sucked, quests were ambiguous and when your lev 4 quest log is suddenly filled with stuff you can't begin to do...adios.
yada yada name it i tried it -- all had their chance and none succeeded

EA games has a couple Free To Plays that are quite cool...Battlefield Heroes is a very cutback and cartoonized spinoff from Battlefield 3...there are 3 classes, something like 5 or 6 abilities in each...PvP here is way cool and a riot to boot! There are no quests, no adventures, no rep...you gain exps and levels on the battlefield within some "goals" given to you. Gear is usually rented for a short time with in game funds or you can buy super money -- that gets you ownership of the gun/rocket/armor -- but it's no biggee, some pay gear is slightly better than the standard issue, but not a lot. (There is a growing movement of purists that WON'T pay a cent and they are somehow still on the rankings board. The vehicles rock, the planes are a blast to fly, and players from all levels (1-30) can be found at the same time on the same battlefield -- the "playing field" is that level Why would I NOT want to go full time with something this good? There is nothing to do except the variuos battlefields...not a lot of socializing, no reason to be there if you dont wanna fight. I don't know how but EA cut off a ton of stuff, made it cartoon-goofy, retained the obviously awesome engine running BF3, made it free and it's the best thing going for pvp-ness...and it still can't beat WoW.

I did half of FL reg, maybe 1/3rd of DS reg, and all of DS on LFR. I thought I wanted to raid but after seeing the "so much better than you" crowd and the perpetual rinse-repeat gear update struggle I have rethought that -- I want nothing to do with "end-game rading". End Game PvP I love...it's so much deeper than a PvE instance could ever hope to be...infinitely variable. I'd rather do that and maybe some 25 ICC with a 5-man, or do duos or trios in BC raids...the occasional heroic, etc... When you finally get your gear locked in and stable...and 4 days later some new tier or drop or something makes half of all your efforts worthless....BAH!! WoW isn't about a contiguous story or really cool things to explore and do...its about a parts list and just as soon as you get your hands on that new stuff you become immediately eligible for the next newer stuff. No Thank You...instead of transmogging my Cenarion over my T11-1/2, 12, 13 mix of gear - I should just put it on and enjoy myself.

Techie stuff is a blast, overcoming challenges is satisfying, the individual and group drive required to succeed in some of this electronic world is amazing...but the bottom line is "If it don't put a smile on my face I ain't showin' up."