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WoW Ironman Challenge Completed
You may remember that a community run challenge became popular a while back which involves leveling to 85 with no deaths, as well as other restrictions. Kripparrian of Turalyon recently completed the Challenge with his Hunter, and Nik had the chance to ask him a few questions about it.


Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
So go ahead, why don't you introduce yourself.
My name is Octavian, I enjoy LCD tanning at my computer desk, newly vegan, and live in Toronto Canada. When I'm not working or cycling, I play online games as Kripp (Kripparrian). I primarily play WoW PvE with Exodus. Before playing WoW, under other alias', I played Dark Age of Camelot for about 7 years, and Diablo 2 HCCL (Hardcore Classic Ladder) on and off.

What inspired you to attempt the Ironman challenge?
I heard about the challenge 3 weeks ago, once it had already become a fairly well known movement. It was clearly created as a non-competitive activity, but the way I see it; if you have a ladder for something -- its competitive. As such, the challenge really appealed to my taste of activity within a game. I thought that if anyone was to complete it, it would be someone like me (as I'm sure many people feel).

Why did you chose Hunter to completed the challenge?
Well, I have played a Hunter for nearly all my time playing WoW. The only other class I know how to play reasonably well is a DK, and they are against the general rules of the challenge. My mains armory can be found here and hunter that I used to complete the challenge here.

How long did it take you and what was the majority of your time spent doing?
My first try was on Feb 12th, and I died at level 23 on the Mor'shan Caravan Delivery quest. I have not done the new Cata quests before this challenge and my inexperience followed by my death caused me to take a more cautious approach until level 60. I made the final character on the 13th and have played as much as I could until yesterday when I hit 85 at 4 days 17 hours 40 minutes played. All my in game time was spent on questing, I did not spend any time with the AH or trades as I felt it would be considered outside help -- although allowed by the rules of the challenge.

Do you think it's even possible to be able to complete it using another class?
I think any class can make it to 85. However, most classes will have to stick it out in WotLK zones and level to 85 with dailies as Cata mobs are brutal. Using the safe daily approach takes a lot more in-game time, leaving your character more prone to mistakes and disconnects. I think the chance of success with this method is about the same for those reasons.

Was there any planning involved regarding it all?
Of course! I really played this challenge to be the first to 85 -- and with others having a several week head start, my strategy was to make it near the top as soon as possible, then begin applying pressure. Last Wednesday (I get Wednesdays off work) I managed to play 14 hours straight;. During this time I leveled from 70 to 79 in one sitting and managed to pass all of the 3-4 of the challengers ahead of me. I was hoping to put a scare on the others near the top, and make them think they're behind, forcing them to play outside of their comfort range. Did it work? I don't know for sure, but when I was at work the next day, everybody else over 70 managed to die off. With this newly acquired 10 level lead, I changed my game plan to being more cautious. When I hit 81 after a couple days, I developed a game plan that I felt was safe enough, while still securing my lead in the challenge, you can check it out here. I had to change my game plan and go to Deepholm in the middle of Vashjir questing because the quest "Looking Forward" bugged, and I was not able to continue the main quest chain.

Any tips for those following in your footsteps and attempt the Ironman Challenge?
Have patience with this, but don't waste your in-game time. You may still see it as a race, as I did, but every action should prioritize security. If you have to use the bathroom, look up a quest, or check on something, log out! Utilize your in-game time only towards leveling, as being logged in just about anywhere has its potential risks -- falling through the world, kill exploits, etc.

Any shoutouts that you'd like to give?
I want to thank all the people participating in the Ironman Challenge for making it such a unique and special experience. Those who have supported it at wowironman.com and the many individuals on The Official Ironman Challenge Thread. I am also grateful for the people that have given me their support and encouragement; the many on the forums, my YouTube subscribers, Taeyeon and Ennuo from Exodus, and my online friend of 10 years Krippie.

Thanks for your time Kripparrian. If you'd like more from him or his guild you can check his Youtube channel or guild website. Kripparrian has also uploaded a video where he talks more in detail about the challenge.



Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Dev Watercooler - Question about stats
I think this sentence of the blog is important to note: First of all, please note that we actually aren’t making many stat changes compared to the ones we made in Cataclysm.

That doesn't mean nothing is changing with the other stats. But if said changes aren't laid out in Greg's latest blog, chances are the changes aren't as broad in scope.

We'll start digging into the meat of the other stats and how we plan for them to play out in Mists of Pandaria class design soon enough. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Naxx Achievement Drakes
In some cases, we like to keep the mounts for those that managed to complete the content when it was at its peak. I think of it as a nod to the effort that went into achieving the task. Isn't it a good thing that, as Kazera said, some things can stay rare? (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

WoW Training Grounds
The WoW training grounds is a max-level training ground with scripted training for each class and each of their specs.
We've discussed a similar idea in the past, and it might be possible to use the technology we're using to build out the Scenarios coming in Mists to make something like this happen at some point in the future. Maybe!

It would be cool. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

PvP Balance
We are sorry to hear that you feel that we perform sweeping game changes in expansions and that it makes the game more difficult for us to balance; each expansion has come with changes that presented their own unique challenges and we would like to feel that we overcame these with varying degrees of success, but success none-the-less. We are our own harshest critic mind you, and we are not afraid to say that some things did not work out as planned though.

In regards to this particular comment: I think that if blizz instead stopped adding that many spells and instead focused on fixing what we have, not creating something new, then the game would be better.

You have to remember that World of Warcraft is an incredibly complex machine and while we can make small changes and tweaks as we go along, things that affect multiple systems aren’t so simply changed in that way. We do the best that we can to make the minor adjustments wherever possible, but expansions afford us the opportunity to make those larger changes that will help improve and balance the game, and apply the resources we need to do them.

These changes we are making to things such as abilities, talents and other systems are designed to try and create compelling choices and engaging content, for the betterment of both PvP and PvE. We just want to be sure that you know that none of the changes made through an expansion are done on a whim, they are incredibly thought out and made to ensure that the game will be as balanced and enjoyable as possible for everyone come its release.

We have a lot of information that will be coming out over the following weeks regarding Mists of Pandaria, covering both the changes in store for PvP and PvE. We hope that you look forward to reading it as much as we are excited to be bringing it to you! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

PvP Ignored?
I'm not going to go point by point right now, but I do want to reassure you that we're not ignoring PvP. We're definitely aware of the concerns that players have and like much of the current development, are working on many things for the future of World of Warcraft (as a whole) and Mists of Pandaria. With the press tour coming up in March, we can hopefully be able to get you a better look at what we have planned and how we're planning to address things such as the PvP concerns that people have and have been expressing. I'm not going to promise that we'll "fix" everything that everyone has concerns about because that's not something we can ever guarantee, but we will be keeping a close eye on all of the (constructive) feedback that we expect you will have. We also look forward to when we'll be able to get community members into the beta test (when it occurs) to give it a first-hand look as well.

For those who are falling back to "Next expansion pack will fix it" as a complaint-- The most I can say is that this is the cycle of MMO development. As you also know, we've generally made changes that affect the game as a whole available to anyone regardless of whether they have purchased the new expansion pack or not as well as add content that is available via the expansion. That said though, I'm not making any guarantees of anything at this point in time, but I want the door left open for the possibilities. We'll be doing our best to explain all of this in the near future as I've mentioned.

Will you please confirm that those of us on PvE servers who do not want or care for world PvP will not find themselves forced into PvP...
I can't address these concerns for you right now, but we're aware of them and as I've mentioned in prior posts, we want to make sure what we're doing allows for PvP without infringing on those who are not as interested in taking part. The devil (as always) is in the details, however and we'll make sure to share those details with you all when we can so we can get your feedback. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Race and Class Combinations
Well, we're adding the pandaren and monk in Mists of Pandaria and the monk class will be available to all races save for goblin and worgen, so you could say that, "yes, we're still adding new race/class combos." That said, we want to make sure that when we add things like this that they make sense for the longevity of the game so we can't make any guarantees as to what or how often these will be added into the game. Balancing new classes into the game is a bit more difficult than adding a new race, but there are obviously complexities to both.

Will races will get other classes. Remember how Cata got Human Hunters, Night Elf Mages, Tauren Paladins, etc...?
That too is always a possibility if the developers feel it makes sense, but it would still incur some amount of additional development to make it all fit within the world both in terms of the story and in terms of items/gear. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Fan Art Update
The World of Warcraft Fan Art Section has been updated with five new pieces of fan artwork.




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This article was originally published in forum thread: WoW Ironman Challenge Completed, Blue Posts, Fan Art, Curse Weekly Roundup started by chaud View original post
Published on 2012-03-03 03:50 AM
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  1. Volitar's Avatar
    GG doesn't surprise me Krip won this.
  1. mmocf74f506587's Avatar
    Krips a beast hunter and I knew as soon as he announced doing it first the first thing people would say would be.. 'uhh hunter, like that's so easy to do it on compared to any other class'. Don't say it's easy on ANY class until you've done it yourself.
  1. Ilion's Avatar
    Grats to Kripparrian

    The comment about the drakes has annoyed me somewhat. I was praying that they would remove the drakes from Uld and ICC for us lot who took hours of our time completeing the achievements for our drakes when it was actually hard to do. It makes me sad when I see "LFM ULD25 DRAKE ACH RUN 85's ONLY" being spammed in trade. Now every scrub has them and they arent unique at all

    My only saving grace is the date that the achievements were completed, but I can't ride around on that -.-
  1. yuca247's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlon View Post
    Well the other class he said he could play reasonably was a DK. Its funny, Hunter and DK are the only classes my 4 year old can play reasonably too lol
    I sure hope you're not implying what I think you're implying otherwise you have no idea who Kripp is.

    OT: The rules for that ironman challenge are pretty rough anyone that gets to 85 with those rules deserves much respect.

    ---------- Post added 2012-03-03 at 02:58 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by eucatastrophe View Post
    Getting 0 deaths in WoW is hardly hard.I recently started playing GW and they have this sort of achievement for real. Multiple levels of it too. Between the lag, the actually hard-hitting mobs, no-gimmicky things like flying and the RPG mechanics of it all... it is actually quite a challenge. Don't mean to knock this guy but this is a joke. Levelling to 60 or even 70 without any deaths is impressive. Nowadays? LOL.
    As others have also pointed out: Hunter. This *has* to be a joke right?
    I would say either your reading comprehension is severely lacking or you're just trolling. It's not just not dying, it's all the other limitations the challenge involves which are described in the link in the post.
  1. Hotic's Avatar
    Weren't you suppose too roll a dice to see what class you get? :s right now it looks like he choosed hunter...
  1. mmoc4210ca0bf6's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hotic View Post
    Weren't you suppose too roll a dice to see what class you get? :s right now it looks like he choosed hunter...
    Wouldnt make much sense cause a hunter will win it no matter what so if you roll another class you might aswell stop at level 1
  1. femkepillz's Avatar
    Can't believe the amount of haters here lol. I'm sure if the guy got there first as a rogue people would QQ because he can just vanish, etc. Easy or not, he was the first to do it and he started late, so grats to him.
  1. mmoc743b654a14's Avatar
    HUnter...lool? Feign death and a pet .... nice joke,, pet can solo a mob..
  1. mmocd658a685e4's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Adonael View Post
    HUnter...lool? Feign death and a pet .... nice joke,, pet can solo a mob..
    I really think ppl over estimate a NORMAL (Read NOT bm) pet. Without talents or gear. They hit for really pathetic numbers. Yes i do belive hunter are the easiest class to do the challange but still a great feat by Kripp, GZ
  1. mmoc443165a3eb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by hawtlol View Post
    and i don't believe any other class would be possible to do the challenge with. mana users would run out of mana after literally every mob. without talents you wouldn't be able to kite either and would just get way too hard just standing there. as for melee goes every melee class would just get hit way too hard and wouldn't have any survivability without talents. hunter is the only possible class that this challenge could be done with.
    Warlock. Health funnel on pet, lifedrain on mob, lifetap to gain mana.
    But yeah hunter is probably easier, especially with FD.
  1. Dexiefy's Avatar
    why is there so much hype about that ironman challange? i mean, wasnt there a troll warrior like months ago who reached max lvl with no armor or weapons? i think he didnt die either (could be wrong here) Also since im playing hunter myself since vanilla, i can safely say that i never needed more than just ranged wpn to lvl up, which makes this whole ironman challange pretty much a joke as to die as a hunter during leveling you really need to try to do it in order for it to happen. Exclusion ofc is getting ganked but there is really no possibility for hunter to die from regular mobs during leveling.
  1. lanerios's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dexiefy View Post
    why is there so much hype about that ironman challange? i mean, wasnt there a troll warrior like months ago who reached max lvl with no armor or weapons? i think he didnt die either (could be wrong here) Also since im playing hunter myself since vanilla, i can safely say that i never needed more than just ranged wpn to lvl up, which makes this whole ironman challange pretty much a joke as to die as a hunter during leveling you really need to try to do it in order for it to happen. Exclusion ofc is getting ganked but there is really no possibility for hunter to die from regular mobs during leveling.

    Seems that if you're not a curse fanboy/openly go "OMG LOOK AT ME DOING THiS" you don't get attention on this site. Rather pathetic that this "ironman" gets such an attention when it's bloody easy compared to what that troll (gutrot?) did.. But alas, that's the way it works.
  1. Skulli's Avatar
    I guess doing ironman on a manaclass might get close to the leveling experience in classic, where you had to drink after every second mod. Pulling more than 2 mobs is your dead and all kind of things.
    4 days to 85 is pretty fast though even without all the artificial barriers of that challenge.
  1. xalenthas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lanerios View Post
    Seems that if you're not a curse fanboy/openly go "OMG LOOK AT ME DOING THiS" you don't get attention on this site. Rather pathetic that this "ironman" gets such an attention when it's bloody easy compared to what that troll (gutrot?) did.. But alas, that's the way it works.
    Someone else who didn't read the restrictions involved in this challenge ... http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...h-do-you-part/
  1. Isotope's Avatar
    People who think that he is the first person to do this is very misinformed. Congrats on being the first person who signed up for a random ladder that most people never heard of to do this?Also as per the Ironman rules you must roll a dice to find out what class you are. Not pick the easiest class to level with. Guess people forgot about that.
  1. mmoceb2038953a's Avatar
    That's just... sick. Well done!
  1. Pekoe's Avatar
    I can vouch for how hard this is. I have been working on a druid. My Druid ironman died at lvl 34, and then my second died at 51. Haven't started my third yet. It gets very hard.
  1. Gorelaz's Avatar
    So all the people who say that its easy did it their selves? if not... gtfo coz we dont care about what u think trolls . ty
  1. mmoc4ea3ad99ad's Avatar
    Well done, but he should have done it on a pvp server.
  1. Bloatedhouse's Avatar
    Pretty funny how the rules stated: No professions or secondary skills (beside first-aid), but still he used fishing : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...:171:a5479Just wondering .. Hmm ..
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