Raid Sneak Peek - Mogu'shan Vaults, Heart of Fear, Terrace of Endless Spring

Originally Posted by gmike

Is it just me or do those raids looks really really plain and uninteresting. So their concept is just massive open rooms with a decoration here and there. Ummmmm??????

You just killed an elf! Bad person! Work in progress! Learn what it means!

First time posting on MMO, feels great! Have a question for you guys: do you think that there will be an additional BH/WG-style raid for PvP gear?

Terrace looks like a joke. Yes I know it's not final, but the main concept seems there. I just see a road with 3 platforms. How creative.

P.S. I'm glad I killed an elf.

Mogu Vaults and Terrace look fine. My only issue is Heart of Fear. Anyone think that's gonna be a little claustrophobic to 25m/LFR raid in? The roof is so short and none of the 'boss areas' look big enough for anything other than a 10m raid.

Originally Posted by willowe

Mogu Vaults and Terrace look fine. My only issue is Heart of Fear. Anyone think that's gonna be a little claustrophobic to 25m/LFR raid in? The roof is so short and none of the 'boss areas' look big enough for anything other than a 10m raid.

If you look at most raids prior to Firelands, they all took place in relatively small spaces. I like this feeling. It feels like you're really progressing deeper and deeper into a cavernous dungeon, and hence feels more like a "raid". BoT/BWD felt great for this expansion, but Firelands just felt like a giant space with a bunch of zoo animals randomly spread out in it. Dragon Soul isn't even in one consistent location. I am personally very pleased they're bringing back the old fortress/dungeon style raiding, and I don't think space will be an issue.

I dont see what you're talking about.

Zero raids look as claustrophobic as HoF.

Naxx? No
MC? No
SWP? No
BT? No
Ulduar? No
ICC? No
Even T11 was more open.

It seems they need to raise the roof 10 feet and widen the halls about 5 feet.

The design is cool, don't get me wrong, but I don't see how a 25m raid will be able to, um, spread out. Imagine one of the encounters everyone has to spread 5 ft from each other. I don't see a single room in there the side that would accommodate that. You need a room the size of BQL (ICC) or more, and I just don't see anything in that place letting you spread out in there.

The other raids are awesome, Terrace looks like another 2 boss raid like ToT4W and Gruuls, imo. Vaults is easily the biggest. My guess is Vaults has 8, Heart has 4, Terrace has 2, which gives 14.

And, I am proud to kill elves. As long as they're from Silvermoon.

Mixed feelings here, I absolutely love the asian themed raids, they're gorgeous! The beehive, orange tunnely one however.................. fuck ugly.

Oh boy... I forgot I can kill elves if I QQ about this. I really hate elves, so here I go:

THESE DUNGEONS SUCK! ITS JUST FILLED WITH CHILDISH PANDA'S AND SOME INSECTS I CRUSH THOUSANDS OF THEM ON A DAILY DAY! WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE TEAM WHO WORKED ON ULDUAR? WHY CAN'T THEY JUST MAKE BIGGER DUNGEONS WITH ALL THE MONEY BLIZZARD GETS? GREEDY F*CKS!

So how many elves did I kill?

i wonder if the mogushan map means there'll be two different "end" bosses. Would be cool if you only had to fight one in normal mode ( the other one fleeing upon his brother's death) and both in heroic. maybe even make the death of both in heroic being the trigger to access to the heroic only "sinestra-like" boss for t14. Having extra bosses would do wonders for heroic gear, since there's plenty of other wais to get normal mode equivalent loot (even without valor there's still acheology, reputations, crafting), but only boss drops for heroic gear... One can always dream i guess ^_^

Originally Posted by McNeil

Oh boy... I forgot I can kill elves if I QQ about this. I really hate elves, so here I go:

THESE DUNGEONS SUCK! ITS JUST FILLED WITH CHILDISH PANDA'S AND SOME INSECTS I CRUSH THOUSANDS OF THEM ON A DAILY DAY! WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE TEAM WHO WORKED ON ULDUAR? WHY CAN'T THEY JUST MAKE BIGGER DUNGEONS WITH ALL THE MONEY BLIZZARD GETS? GREEDY F*CKS!

So how many elves did I kill?

One Elf

On topic, I like the vault

I was under the impression that the boss breakdown was 6 in one raid, 4 in the second, and 2 in the third, exactly like the first tier of Cataclysm (not counting Synestra). The two world bosses bring the total to 14.

The artwork is exquisite. The areas however, are so terribly small. Some of the grand rooms look like they might fit 5 people comfortably (not the 25 you will bring or the 50 students you might imagine to have once lived there). Even the hallways look like they can barely fit two people side-by-side in them. I like what they have done with it, but they really need to increase the scale of everything.

I was farming Botanica for tailor patterns yesterday, then found myself on here checking out the new videos. That dungeon is a re-skinned Botanica. The floors, the walls and even the archway designs are re-hash with some new texture on top to mask them. To me, it's about the encounters more than the setting, but it does seem rather lazy.

Originally Posted by Mokenuf

They are BIG ! Like really big ! And the art is simply amazing ! I'm loving them so far

Finally we will get some proper trash, I love loads of trash mobs :-)
(it is not meant ironically, I really do)

Looks pretty cool, but imo i don't care so much what the place looks like - only on how fast i can kill the bosses and progress :P

Those places look very cool. Can't wait to see them at their final state.

I hate to be the one to say this, and I appreciate I'm dicing with elf death, but I'll be disappointed if these aren't representative of the final product; they look immense.

Not seeing a character to scale in those instances is probably what's making people think they're small. But it's hard to tell exactly how big the features are without some kind of reference. Anywho, I think they look really good. I like the karazhan-esque vaults, aq-esque heart, and throne of the 4 winds-esque terrace reminding us of how older raids were laid out, while giving it a new setting and unique character.

Originally Posted by Thylacine

I hate to be the one to say this, and I appreciate I'm dicing with elf death, but I'll be disappointed if these aren't representative of the final product; they look immense.

Not final means they are going to add more polish and maybe some environmental stuff (props) to the areas that are finished and add textures and whatever else to the areas that aren't done yet.

Christ, that, look, freaking AWESOME! The colors, the structure, the overall ambiance is truly incredible.