Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
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  1. risingforce's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mission View Post
    why not make it battlent wide and not just account wide ? what about the ones who have 2 or more accounts ?
    They have not (yet) clarified whether these are limited to Account-wide or Battle.net --or at the very least, they need to specify; of which I expect they will release when they have the specifics nailed down themselves and absorbed the community's reactions -etc.

    Personally I will be over the moon if it is Battle.net-wide !
  1. mmoc1ea225bcc9's Avatar
    Sweet sweet win, that means I'll get bloodthirsty on my characters :3 I would have liked to ask Greg one question tho, what about feats of strength? I switched to my mage quite recently, and it sucks that I can transmog oldschool pvp gear on my shaman, but not my new mage, so I'd like some clarification on whether that'll become a posibility or not come 5.0 :P
  1. Vongimi's Avatar
    And every altoholic across the world gets "The Bloodthirsty" the instant 5.0 hits... lol

    Actually I won't Ill likely get to about 150k though. Im one of those 10 character kind of guys.
  1. Daedelus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kellyc View Post
    Sorry for still not understanding. But lets say I wanna go for "The Loremaster"
    Can I be "Loremaster of Cataclysm" on my mage and then "Loremaster of..(the rest)" and still get the achievement ""The Loremaster"?
    Cuz when he explains the "meta achievements." it does sound like thats possible.
    Yes this is the case.
    But, let's say you have 40 quests done in Shadowmoon Valley on one char, and 50 on another, this does not add up to 90 quests done - you'll need to complete it on one char for it to count towards the meta.
  1. Sellest's Avatar
    one word - perfect
  1. Rhelyo's Avatar
    I have read all the blue post and i still don't understand.Someone please explain to me how till achievement points will work?
    Lets say i have 14000 achievement points on 1 character.Will i still have the same number of points on the character in MoP?What will happen to the achievement rankings on sites like guildox?
  1. frogger237's Avatar
    I really hope these end up being account wide and not server wide like i fear it will end up being.
  1. Moriarty's Avatar
    This is the change I'm most excited for in MoP, especially if they can get pets and mounts incorporated. It'll at least lessen the rage I felt when my alt druid got 3 Oculus drakes to drop in 3 days of daily heroics. It's also a good change for people who'd like to main swap but are too attached to their achievements and rare mounts to do so.
  1. ~Valen~'s Avatar
    Now here's hoping we get Darkspear Pride (and others launch items before that) to all chars via the FoS granted during them!
  1. Nero Duskwind's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    hmm very intresting chamnge but need somthign clarified

    my main needs barrel roll and alys hc for the fl meta. can i get those 2 acheives on a different char and still have it could on my mains meta?
    As it stands right now it would appear that meta-achievements will be a cumulative effort from all the characters on your account, so each toon can complete an achievement.

    Individual achievements with multiple criteria will still need to be completed under the character that it was started under.
  1. mmocbeba583bd0's Avatar
    Sounds good.

    I'm not happy about titles though. I think titles that are rewarded via achievements should be character specific, except for FoS titles.
  1. MugenNoKaze's Avatar
    fucking finally
  1. Stankymcgee's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by RevanSparda View Post
    Only one question. Class Mounts, shared or not?
    Right now on the beta my panda has my pally's mount as well as my warlocks mount.
  1. Korrina's Avatar
    I am very excited for this. I honestly think this should have been a part of the original achievement system, though I'm sure design wise, that would have been a tall order. I am just glad to have it. I am constantly ignoring characters and achievements because I have the most points and achievements on my main, so it changes the dynamic for picking a character to play sort of skewed. I'm glad that's not going to be an issue anymore. I can finally play what I want, when I want, regardless of the achievements.
  1. jaykaywhy's Avatar
    Nice! Some of my characters have PvP titles from Vanilla, and I always feel obligated to play those characters (Yes, I am special snowflake, thanks for asking) more than any characters, so its nice knowing I can reroll or invest in an alt.
  1. Nelle's Avatar
    Give a 500.000 hk Achievement. Hell even a 1.000.000 one now when HK's go Account Wide!

    But, yes. Thanks for finally allowing us Veterans to play alts without feeling guilty!
  1. Stankymcgee's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fishing4corpses View Post
    I second this. I worked hard to get the Bloodthirsty.... if they do make things like this account wide, remove the titles. I would rather not see every noob running around with it.
    I fail to see your point. You say you worked hard for that title but so did all the other "noobs" as you say, aslo worked hard for that acheviement. So, I do not see why they should not be able to run around with that title, as they have already earned it.
  1. Skippy88's Avatar
    *Gives Standing Ovation*

    Seriously, I have 1 main and 4 alts now with 2 of my alts not quite 85 yet. For whatever reason once I hit Outland I try to do the explore and quest achievement for each zone. It's nice to know I no longer have to do that.

    Secondly, my main is a raiding guild who I haven't played in over a year. I've had a tough time deciding what to do with him since he had all my achievements but with this change it makes my whole life easier.
  1. Mulderfox's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stankymcgee View Post
    Right now on the beta my panda has my pally's mount as well as my warlocks mount.
    I believe blizzard should disallow this. It makes no more sense for a warlock on a pally mount than it does for an Orc on a human mount. I have faith in blizzard though I'd be surprised to see this make it to release.
  1. Karazee's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vongimi View Post
    And every altoholic across the world gets "The Bloodthirsty" the instant 5.0 hits... lol
    There's going to be a bunch, sure, but you can bet there's also going to be a new 500k (or pick your favorite number) achievement called "the Insatiable" or something like that.

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