Mists of Pandaria Beta - Build 15961

Wow, I lost a crap load of Spell Power. I mean like woah.

Is there an in depth explanation on the vengeance changes anywhere? Particularly relating to the time duration.

nvm - found blue post (that's equal parts scary and awesome)

Bravo @ Warrior Changes. Don't stop there though. Still need to make glyph of heroic throw/long charge/heroic leap basic.

So dks and druids dont get vengeance changes? Or they already have that one?

Hope to see more PvP powers in healer gear.
Healer PvP damage is way too low.

Originally Posted by balir

Is there an in depth explanation on the vengeance changes anywhere? Particularly relating to the time duration.

This.

Originally Posted by Aceveda

Double Time You can use Charge twice before incurring its cooldown. You can use Charge twice in a row. Each use has a 20 sec recharge time.

??? lol thats terrible.

The 2 charges should reset once its hit 20seconds, why is this a "good" talent? We used to have charge+intercept from vanilla to 4.0.6 or w/e they nerfed juggernaut, WOW what a talent!

Should be: You can now charge twice within a 20second window, or replace it with intercept(make intercept share cd with leap) or something, I want double charge with separate cds.

Im so disappointed in the warrior changes..

You do realise that this is probably the best they can do for balance? Your idea would make the other top tier talents obsolete.

Originally Posted by Hanto

Sorry to say but your logic is wrong. They reworked Double Time to work like Roll for monks. Each cooldown of charge is independent of each other. Example: You use one Charge, its CD begins and you use your second Charge five seconds later. By the time the first Charge's CD has finished (20 seconds after it was used) you will have five seconds until the second one is available.

EDIT: Just tried it on the beta, seems you're correct. The second cooldown for Charge does not begin until the first one finishes. I'm hoping this is a bug, in all honesty.

Yes that does seem like a bug.

Okey so Dk's still need to see some adjusments, but when playing on the PTR i just feel we are missing something. I am not QQing, but we are still realy squishy (frost specially) any chance we will be seeing something to improve this?


And lol at the typhoon thing. I thought the same thing but maybe it's just some wording changed into that.

Shouldn't that say "Casters take note, you now have a Sha-Touched weapon as well!"? With no spirit on it all casters are going to be rolling on that mace.

I hate the excuse every expansion "rogues are fine we're their at" Blizz (TM) Here ya go in replacement we'll improve you base dmg 5% then after launch we'll take it away in a nerf.

0 rogue changes, again. Anyone surprised?

Originally Posted by Draxz

I hate the excuse every expansion "rogues are fine we're their at" Blizz (TM) Here ya go in replacement we'll improve you base dmg 5% then after launch we'll take it away in a nerf.

don't know what you're smoking, but rogues were fine in cata PVE and were VERY, VERY fine in PVP.

Originally Posted by Mendan

Shouldn't that say "Casters take note, you now have a Sha-Touched weapon as well!"? With no spirit on it all casters are going to be rolling on that mace.

It seems that wowdb is still not updated. The mace has spirit now (as mentioned in a recent blue post)

All of the eng tinkers get the kit except for Synapse Springs? Really, Blizzard? Really?

EDIT: Nevermind. It just wasn't included in the post. Edit the post please.

http://www.wowdb.com/spells/126731-synapse-springs

Wow, all the tinkers use the same reagent now. Is that a reusable kit or not?

Originally Posted by Aceveda

Double Time You can use Charge twice before incurring its cooldown. You can use Charge twice in a row. Each use has a 20 sec recharge time.

??? lol thats terrible.

The 2 charges should reset once its hit 20seconds, why is this a "good" talent? We used to have charge+intercept from vanilla to 4.0.6 or w/e they nerfed juggernaut, WOW what a talent!

Should be: You can now charge twice within a 20second window, or replace it with intercept(make intercept share cd with leap) or something, I want double charge with separate cds.

Im so disappointed in the warrior changes..

YEAH LETS GIVE WARRIORS MASSIV UTILITY ? How can you not see that, that would be overpowered.

ha, another build.

Destruction
Havoc now also works with Chaos Bolt.

How is this a change, it's been working with chaos bolt for as long as i could get on the PTR? or was it not in the beta.....not must be I've seen plenty of vids of ppl using it with chaos bolt.

Originally Posted by Skeln

correct me if im wrong, but there are epic shouldre enchant listed that only for inscriptionists....

does that mean that getting a shoulder enchant without inscription will not be possible in light of the recent changes blizzard made with head and should enchants?

Yes, If your server has 0 inscriptionists then no one has shoulder enchants. If there is one with mop level scribing then you all can have one (for a fee).

Might be that epic ones are Profession specific and Blues for all. Since it has always been your profession special thing. (Like wrist enchas for LW:s)

Originally Posted by Agramonia

It seems that wowdb is still not updated. The mace has spirit now (as mentioned in a recent blue post)

Neither is Wowhead's, FYI.

Originally Posted by themeii

Yes, If your server has 0 inscriptionists then no one has shoulder enchants. If there is one with mop level scribing then you all can have one (for a fee).

Might be that epic ones are Profession specific and Blues for all. Since it has always been your profession special thing. (Like wrist enchas for LW:s)

There is 3 enchants in WoWDB - Blue (Lesser), Epic (Great) and profession specific epic (Secret). It seems first two is what you will buy on AH, and last is profession bonus.