Patch 5.0.4 Release on August 28, Season 11 Ending Soon

Originally Posted by Adramalech

"Hey guys, let's delay the patch because people on the forums will accuse us of trying to compete with GW2!"

Yeah, no. If you seriously think an expansion pre-patch is an attempt at competing with a brand new, hyped as hell game, I have no words. Chances are, the release date for this patch has already been set in stone for quite a while. Even if it wasn't, they didn't have a lot of dates, and the 28th/29th is roughly a month before the expansion releases. Doesn't sound like an attempt to "fight" GW2 to me.

And why not. "lets rush the patch to not lose more millions of people in our game".

Yeah, I called this the DAY GW2 released their release date... lol

Blizz is soo predictable... Im pretty sure if GW2 was delayed til xmas... Mists would have been too...

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

Are you naive enough to not think they had this date set before GW2 release date was announced?

It's almost laughable.

No wait, it is. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Are you naive enough that companies NEVER do this for the sake of competition?

Yea, no gear progression is no endgame.

GW2 is all about PvP, it's not about endgame, it's not about PvE. People can try to defend GW2's PvE all they wan't, but it's not there.

Don't speak about a game you know nothing about, Endgame doesn't just consist of a gear treadmill.

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

LET'S DO DUNGEONS TO GET GEAR!

Oh wait

LET'S DO RAIDS TO GET GEAR!

Oh wait

GW2 is a PvP game, if you never played GW1, be prepared for the most stagnant game of your life if you enjoy PvE

When you kill things just to kill them, there is no reward.

Except gear threadmill where you grind your ass off just to get gear which will be replaced in half year by antoher gear threadmill repelled me from WoW already few years before. I mostly came back and still played it due to achievements which you dont disenchant or vendor after few months. I enjoyed that aspect of WoW, not the gear merry-go-around. GW1 also had plenty of this kind of content, GW2 will as well. I am looking forward to that. Pandaria? We will see. I am not saying "no". Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

LET'S DO DUNGEONS TO GET GEAR!

Oh wait

LET'S DO RAIDS TO GET GEAR!

Oh wait

GW2 is a PvP game, if you never played GW1, be prepared for the most stagnant game of your life if you enjoy PvE

When you kill things just to kill them, there is no reward.

I've played GW1 (since day 1), and I loved it.

I'd rather go "Let's go do dungeons for fun!" instead of "Let's go do X dungeon for Y gear that has a K% drop rate for the Nth time because it never drops and I need it to go do Z dungeon/raid!"

Originally Posted by Awe

Find me one big MMO release in the last 5 years that didnt had any counter-action from Blizzard within a week or so from that release date. How many coincidences in a row you are willing to bet your money on?

He thinks they just decide to patch 1 month in advance. How cute. Or vomit inducing, can't quite decide.

I'd rather go "Let's go do dungeons for fun!"

Let's go kill things that have no reward, it's literally like throwing my time into a toilet!

GW1 was not fun unless you PvPd, sorry. GW2 is going to be the exact same.

Originally Posted by Awe

Find me one big MMO release in the last 5 years that didnt had any counter-action from Blizzard within a week or so from that release date. How many coincidences in a row you are willing to bet your money on?

Who's saying they were all coincidences? I'm talking about THIS specific patch, 5.0.4. I'm pretty confident that the 4.3 release wasn't a coincidence in releasing near Star Wars, for example. There was some patch that released close to Rift's release, which I doubt was a coincidence as well. But THIS patch? A pre-patch for an expansion, which barely has anything that could be called content, a patch that, traditionally, is released roughly a month before the expansion itself, a patch that, following logic, would already have been planned for release quite some time ago?

Sorry, I'm not buying the "counter" argument this time. I bought it in the past, but for this specific patch? Just no.

Originally Posted by Lekyii

And why not. "lets rush the patch to not lose more millions of people in our game".

The hell if I know. Like I said, for all we know this was already set in stone. Even if it wasn't, why should they be rushing or delaying a patch based on another game, when the patch most likely won't be any competition for such a hyped game as this one is? The real competition would be the expansion itself, not a patch with a short-lived event and the system changes. If the expansion was releasing instead of the patch, or an actual large content patch, I wouldn't even raise an argument about this, as I too would doubt it to be a coincidence. But like I said above, for THIS patch? No.

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

He thinks they just decide to patch 1 month in advance. How cute. Or vomit inducing, can't quite decide.



Let's go kill things that have no reward, it's literally like throwing my time into a toilet!

GW1 was not fun unless you PvPd, sorry. GW2 is going to be the exact same.

Do/did you play Super Mario for the gear? Wait a sec... Do/did you play TF2 for gear? Wait a sec...

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

He thinks they just decide to patch 1 month in advance. How cute. Or vomit inducing, can't quite decide.



Let's go kill things that have no reward, it's literally like throwing my time into a toilet!

GW1 was not fun unless you PvPd, sorry. GW2 is going to be the exact same.

It is possible to shift dates by few weeks even on the last notice. You can even move the war declaration/initiation date in last minute. I see why they could not adjust their patch release timing in the last few weeks.

I spent over 2000 hours in GW1. Maybe 100 of that was PvP. Try again. The fact that you did not like it does not mean other did not as well.

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

Let's go kill things that have no reward, it's literally like throwing my time into a toilet!

GW1 was not fun unless you PvPd, sorry. GW2 is going to be the exact same.

You could make this argument for every type of entertainment though. In the end it's all just a waste of time, regardless of how you try to spin it.

Originally Posted by Adramalech

Who's saying they were all coincidences? I'm talking about THIS specific patch, 5.0.4. I'm pretty confident that the 4.3 release wasn't a coincidence in releasing near Star Wars, for example. There was some patch that released close to Rift's release, which I doubt was a coincidence as well. But THIS patch? A pre-patch for an expansion, which barely has anything that could be called content, a patch that, traditionally, is released roughly a month before the expansion itself, a patch that, following logic, would already have been planned for released quite some time ago?

Sorry, I'm not buying the "counter" argument this time. I bought it in the past, but for this specific patch? Just no.

More realistically the launch date of Mists is a specific counter, but they need time for the pre-release patch (and didn't have that time when the GW2 release date was announced, if they wanted to release Mists at the same time). But, one leads to the other.

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

He thinks they just decide to patch 1 month in advance. How cute. Or vomit inducing, can't quite decide.



Let's go kill things that have no reward, it's literally like throwing my time into a toilet!

GW1 was not fun unless you PvPd, sorry. GW2 is going to be the exact same.

So you play to get rewards??

I think most o the people if not all the people play games to have fun.

Oh poor moderators...

You care if the patch comes out on the same day as GW2. You can play both games if you want.

Originally Posted by rhandric

More realistically the launch date of Mists is a specific counter, but they need time for the pre-release patch (and didn't have that time when the GW2 release date was announced, if they wanted to release Mists at the same time). But, one leads to the other.

Like I said before, calling this patch competition for a new and hyped game is... the hell if I can come up with a decent comparison, they're just not comparable. It isn't a content patch, period. Even if we assume that the expansion release date was set on purpose so that the pre-patch would coincide with GW2 releasing, which in my eyes, seems extremely tinfoil hat-ish, what does that accomplish? This patch will probably only tickle GW2's release, considering it doesn't take a player's attention for a lot of time.

But again, I maintain that it's a silly assumption.

Originally Posted by Awe

Find me one big MMO release in the last 5 years that didnt had any counter-action from Blizzard within a week or so from that release date. How many coincidences in a row you are willing to bet your money on?

They can be lucky they don't have an expansion right at the same date, if they were ready they probably would have. Then they would have cried.

It's a standard business procedure though, constantly overshadowing your competition and demoralise them.

Originally Posted by Eggowaffles

He thinks they just decide to patch 1 month in advance. How cute. Or vomit inducing, can't quite decide.



Let's go kill things that have no reward, it's literally like throwing my time into a toilet!

GW1 was not fun unless you PvPd, sorry. GW2 is going to be the exact same.

What's the reward in wow? Oh..that's right gear! That of which GW2 is loaded with. Just because the route to obtain them is different, don't get mad. True, raids are fun in wow! Until you've cleared them...then it's just a grind to get gear...which is based on luck. So technically you could've been raiding DS this entire time, clearing it every week..and still be waiting to get a lucky drop that just never drops for you, or maybe it did but someone else won it. This scenario can also be described as throwing your time down the toilet, especially if you never get it.

Originally Posted by Adramalech

"Hey guys, let's delay the patch because people on the forums will accuse us of trying to compete with GW2!"

Yeah, no. If you seriously think an expansion pre-patch is an attempt at competing with a brand new, hyped as hell game, I have no words. Chances are, the release date for this patch has already been set in stone for quite a while. Even if it wasn't, they didn't have a lot of dates, and the 28th/29th is roughly a month before the expansion releases. Doesn't sound like an attempt to "fight" GW2 to me.

It doesn't sound like an attempt to "fight" GW2 to you because you are forgetting that during the original MoP press release, and in subsequent blue posts, they said the pre-patch / launch event would only be live for two weeks prior to the release of MoP.**

They haven't added any content, beyond what they said they were going to do during the press release, in the pre-patch so the absolute only reason they are releasing the pre-patch on Aug 28th is to do everything they can to undermine the release of GW2.

Whether you think that is smart business or them being jerks is neither here nor there to me but any suggestion that the release date wasn't changed to "fight" GW2's release is beyond naive.

(**http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...ria-Press-Tour -The Pre Mists of Pandaria Patch will be roughly two weeks before launch and bring simple rewards. It might involve a scenario with Theramore and the Alliance vs Horde theme. Chen Stormstout might also come to the local cities and get players excited about what is coming.)

Originally Posted by Adramalech

Like I said before, calling this patch competition for a new and hyped game is... the hell if I can come up with a decent comparison, they're just not comparable. It isn't a content patch, period. Even if we assume that the expansion release date was set on purpose so that the pre-patch would coincide with GW2 releasing, which in my eyes, seems extremely tinfoil hat-ish, what does that accomplish? This patch will probably only tickle GW2's release, considering it doesn't take a player's attention for a lot of time.

But again, I maintain that it's a silly assumption.

It will do more than a tickle, I believe.

Originally Posted by Tinykong

You care if the patch comes out on the same day as GW2. You can play both games if you want.

Exactly. GW2 is not really even a direct competitor to WoW since it is not subscription based. People can, and most certainly will, play both. If the actual expansion was releasing on the 28th, then an argument could be made. But it's a month away from the GW2 launch.