Monk Tier 15 and Season 13 Armor Sets Preview, Patch 5.2 Scenarios, Blue Tweets

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Monk Tier 15 and Season 13 Armor Sets Preview
Keep in mind that this is just a preview and the final sets may be different!







Patch 5.2 Scenarios
Keep in mind that it is possible that all of these scenarios will not make it into Patch 5.2. They may be used for something other than a scenario, or might not be intended for Patch 5.2.

The LFD tool currently has a Horde and Alliance version of Tear Down This Wall!, a Horde version of The Fall of Shan Bu, and faction neutral version of Infiltrating the Shipyard, Assault on Zeb'tula, and To the Skies!.

Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Tear Down This Wall!
  • Find the Lost Explosives - Find the Heavy Explosives.
  • Deliver the Explosives - Speak with Vereesa at the city wall.
  • Detonate Explosives - Use the plunger to detonate the explosives.
  • Kill War-God Al'chukla

Tear Down This Wall!
  • Find the lost explosives - Acquire the Heavy Explosives from the Deathknell Graves.
  • Deliver the explosives to Elsia - Speak to Elsia at the city wall.
  • Detonate explosives - Light the fuse on the Heavy Explosives.
  • Kill War-God Al'chukla

Infiltrating the Shipyard
  • Intercept the Zandalari Patrol - Ride the tame thunderwing and intercept the Zandalari patrol.
  • Neutralize the Guards and Sentry Totems - Use Sleeping Darts on Zandalari Overwatch and Smoke Bombs on Sentry Totems. Neutralize as many as possible in two passes over the shipyard.
  • Sabotage the Warship - Get Taoshi to the siege weapons at the front of the ship, then go below deck and assassinate the captain.
  • Cross the Shipyard - Escape the warship and reach the gate at the far end of the shipyard.
  • Defeat the Gatekeeper - Slay the gatekeeper.

Assault on Zeb'tula - Assault the troll town of Zeb'tula to gain a foothold on the Isle of the Thunder King.
  • Rendezvous with Scout Captain Elsia - Speak to Scout Captain Elsia and fly over the island.
  • Survive the Ambush
  • Destroy the Barricades
  • Kill Kresh the Ripper
  • Kill Arcanital Tula'chek and his Spirit Mask

To the Skies!
  • Taking Off... - Mount your Pterrorwing!
  • Intercepted! - The Zandalari have spotted you! Defeat your attackers!
  • Master the Beastmaster - Horaki has knocked you from your mount! Defeat him!
  • Into the Mines - Sneak (or fight!) your way past the Mogu in the mines, to the cave-in blocking the entrance.
  • Change of Plans... - Defeat Mine-Lord Korax.
  • Activate the Charge! - Activate your companion's Arcane Charge to blow open the entrance to the mine.

The Fall of Shan Bu
  • Preparations - Horde forces prepare to assault the courtyard.
  • The Courtyard - Make your way up to the courtyard and redezvous with Taran Zhu before the battle.
  • Defeat the Zandalari - Defeat the Zandalari guarding the gates.
  • Destroy the Gatekeepers - Defeat the Palace Gatekeepers to unlock the gates.
  • The Palace Gates - Join Taran Zhu beyond the gates.
  • Overwhelm the Defenders - Defeat the Zandalari defenders.
  • Defeat Shan Bu

Pursuing the Black Harvest
  • Note that this is not actually a scenario, but a Warlock class quest!
  • Enter the Black Temple - Avoid the guards and enter the Sanctuary of Shadows.
  • Search for Evidence of the Council's Presence - Find proof that the Council of the Black Harvest came to the temple.
  • Follow Akama to the Shrine of Lost Souls - Walk with Akama to the Shrine of Lost Souls.
  • Uncover the Council's Plan - Investigate the Reliquary of Souls.
  • Defeat the Essence of Order - Claim the soul crystal left behind by the Council of the Black Harvest.
  • Escape the Shrine of Lost Souls - Fight off the demons unleashed by the Reliquary and return to Akama in the Halls of Anguish.
  • Purge or Plunder - Choose to save Akama's men in the Halls of Anguish or plunder the Den of Mortal delights in the chaos.
  • Head to the Temple Summit - Take the Empowered Soulcore to the Temple Summit.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Character
Did devs take into consideration how cost prohibitive upgrading is? its next to impossible to fully upgrade your BiS slots.
One can argue maybe the game was better when everyone didn't have the expectation of BiS in every slot... (Source)

is it safe to say brawlers guild may promote gold buying as people who may not have time to farm gold would wanna try it out?
Gold farming sucks, but we can't be terrified about having a gold economy in the game. Gold having no value sucks too. (Source)

Do you think that the visual design of abilities and gear influences which classes are more popular and most played?
Absolutely. Maybe not for everyone but I believe it contributes a lot. (Source)

Getting a bit of gear is too complicated; enchant, gem, reforge (all of your gear) and now upgrade. Gem & Ench only was good.
We actually agree with this. Once upon a time you got to put on the gear that dropped when it dropped. (Source)
Amen. Please remove reforging. Also eliminates need to go to external sites to tell you how exactly to reforge.
We think reforging feels fine for everything except hit and expertise. (Source)
If you agree, why did you just bring in the upgrade system the other week?
You don't need to upgrade a piece to wear it. You do need to enchant, gem and reforge. Reforge may be the biggest problem. (Source)

last question, did you even consider letting people focus on whatever aspect they enjoy most to progress?
Within reason. E.g. you can't do achievement to progress. Also what you enjoy may be supported but may not be most efficient. (Source)

How is the new race models going along? It's the only thing that is gonna get me back. Anything more than Dwarf and Orc done?
We're excited about them but it's hard to say much more without every word getting over-analyzed. (Source)
OMG, GC said new models will be amazing and perfect and are almost done!!! /sarcasm
Exactly. (Source)

.What makes it worse is talents actually at 0% use because either one talent was to well designed or others suck.
Warrior talent diversity isn't actually bad, with a couple of exceptions like Second Wind. Mage talent diversity is too low. (Source)
the only pve fight that any competitive fury warrior will use storm bolt for is garalon. Balanced?
No, we think it's a little weak in both PvE and PvP. (Source)

Just curious as to why we have the mechanic that sets mana to zero when switching specs?
If the switching cost is too low then it feels like you are supposed to do so every pull, especially for healers. (Source)

PvP
Opinion on double healer comps in 3v3? Should they be viable? Saw 2600 double healer frost mage before today's Frost Bomb nerf
We are generally fine with non-standard comps as long as they are somewhat uncommon. (Source)

Greg, It looks like you are giving burst classes more advantages than dot classes with the mass PvP Power and 1 min trinket
More frequent small bursts is generally a nerf to burst strategies. (Source)
you explain the nerf part, Please ?
It is generally easier to counter being hit twice for 200K with a short break in between than one hit for 400K. (Source)

Wondering if you're aware of the current talk in arena: feral is OP, frost mage is dead, and healers are too weak; comment?
Feral does seem to be at the top of everyone's hit list now that mage, warrior and hunter are toned down. (Source)

I love how Druids can vanish and ShStep BETTER than rogues and about 6x more often... kudos man. you are a master of balance.
One ability compared to another ability doesn't scale to one class' comparison to another. It's about the whole package. (Source)

do u think melee damage is out of control atm? specifically feral/dk/warrior... esp w/ healing debuff its just unhealable...
Feral, maybe. DK no. Warriors have been nerfed a ton lately. (Source)

prot warrior stands and lets me get him to 35%, kills me (rogue). Having a fantastic time. What class do you want me to play?
Tanks aren't designed to be killed. That's why we don't push them into Arenas. (Source)

me and a lot of healers need to be talked off a ledge. I'm sure there's a reason behind the changes we just aren't seeing.
Strategically, burst and perma CC are the only options when healers can keep everyone up. (Source)
Disc priest anyone? Oh nevermind, they dont exist in arena anymore thanks to lazy blanket nerfs.
When healing is too powerful overall, the solution is not to let some specs still have healing that is too powerful. (Source)

UI / Addons
hey - is there some sort of UI notice to tell you *if* you bought the extra rep for a faction?
There is not, but we agree that we need to add one. (Source)

the issue isn't mods changing talents, its the ui becoming broken because of unrelated taint (caused by blizzard ui bugs)
I'll say again, taint = accessing something we want protected. We can decide to make it !protected, but that does take some work. (Source)
- The problem is it can be reproduced without any mod's. Which should be addressed. Global variable is tainting.
There isn't much technical distinction between mods and macros. You're still trying to access something we want to protect. (Source)

Please stop being so restrictive about the Glyph/Talent UI. It's driving people nuts, I loathe the moment I have to change!
Philosophically, we don't want automating talent or glyph swaps. Once it's easy to reglyph every pull, players feel like they must. (Source)

He's Lead Systems Designer. A lot of people take for granted exactly what "systems" entails in game design.
Balance is a pretty small portion of what I do. It's just one many forum posters / twitter users care a lot about. (Source)
What's the big portion of what you do?
Future planning, UI, and then just pure people management take the biggest portion. (Source)
For UI, do you work on the backend of making things work, user end experience, or something else?
I design UI from the PoV of features and goals. We have actual graphic designers also and then engineers to hook it all up. (Source)
Do you sometimes feel that WoW's UI is getting over-complicated? I often can't find stuff after 7 years...
Yes, I do. (Source)

Icy Veins Christmas Contest
Icy Veins is holding a screenshot contest with some nice prizes, including a signed Collector's Edition of Mists of Pandaria, mounts, pets, AskMrRobot / Curse premium, and more!

All you have to do is take a nice screenshot of your character for the Feast of Winter Veil category, Best Scenery category, or Best Action Shot category. The contest runs until Dec 31st and submissions will be judged over the next few days.



Guild Wars 2 Wintersday 2012 Soundtrack
ArenaNet recently released the Wintersday music on Soundcloud!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Monk Tier 15 and Season 13 Armor Sets Preview, Patch 5.2 Scenarios, Blue Tweets started by chaud View original post
Published on 2012-12-28 08:58 AM
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  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    MMO-champ is not a DIII site. That's why they keep it as brief as possible and only provided the link.



    You're talking about the same players that bugged blizzard for 4 years to reintroduce cascading Raidtiers and progress paths through all of them?

    Thought so...

    Turns out: The customer really doesn't know what he wants after all
    The customer knows what they want. Its called content. Something that BLIzzard is not providing in any quality or quantity. They managed to build a small pile of content by leaving the live servers unattended for 8 months. Dragging out thigns with endless lines of dailies and gear double gated with rep and valor does not hide the real issues.

    MOntly subscription based game should offer content every month. Its that easy and with 10 million subs Blizzard has no excuse to not do that. OFC other than spending most of the WOW money and dev time on Titan.
  1. lordimac's Avatar
    Bring Warriors up! Nobody wants to see this Monk Sh*t.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    MOntly subscription based game should offer content every month. Its that easy and with 10 million subs Blizzard has no excuse to not do that.
    Ah so you're one of these deluded people that think that if they throw enough money at a problem it'll go away?

    There is TONS of content in MoP.
    I don't think the bulk of the player base would be anywhere near ready for a new raid right now.
    Only 37% of the raiding population killed GARALON (10man and 25man combined).
    In case you're not up to snuff with boss names: Garalon is the 3rd boss in Heart of Fear, meaning that 63% of the rading population is at 8/16 NORMAL right now.

    Hell, even my own Guild hasn't killed 25-Sha normal yet.

    Ofc if you don't raid or only do "Looking For Retard" then I could understand that you are bored.
    Simple question though: How did you manage the other 6-8 years of WoW w/o access to raiding?
  1. Wayne25uk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    The customer knows what they want. Its called content. Something that BLIzzard is not providing in any quality or quantity. They managed to build a small pile of content by leaving the live servers unattended for 8 months. Dragging out thigns with endless lines of dailies and gear double gated with rep and valor does not hide the real issues.

    MOntly subscription based game should offer content every month. Its that easy and with 10 million subs Blizzard has no excuse to not do that. OFC other than spending most of the WOW money and dev time on Titan.
    Do you even realise what it takes to make a game let alone keep it updated every month? No you dont do you otherwise you would have read what you wrote and thought how stupid it sounds...

    Honestly cry babies like you make me sick,thinking that just because they have money they have the time and energy to give you whiners content every day of their lives,well they dont so be greatful for what you get and be greatful you get a game to play at all!
  1. BigCrafter33's Avatar
    Why did i stop playing this game O.O those song are so AMAZING :O!! ahh yeah i remember -.-' this game give me headache :/
  1. mmoc814469773f's Avatar
    Hah, amazing - frost mages are dead? Right. Maybe the poor mages are, but the ones that can actually play will still destroy most classes in the game with relative ease.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne25uk View Post
    Do you even realise what it takes to make a game let alone keep it updated every month? No you dont do you otherwise you would have read what you wrote and thought how stupid it sounds...

    Honestly cry babies like you make me sick,thinking that just because they have money they have the time and energy to give you whiners content every day of their lives,well they dont so be greatful for what you get and be greatful you get a game to play at all!
    WOW is on its last meters on so many levels now. The main reason is because the developers have not been doing their job over the last few years to improve many of the core features of the game. That includes outdated content update system that will not stand a chance against F2P games where you dont have to pay monthly subs.

    BLizzard managed to keep Cata in 9 millions by giving the expansion for free towards the end. And they got mop to 10 million but thats the lowest number of any WOW expansion. At the same time players are finding out exactly what the new "content" is in MOP. Its called dailies and you dont have to look for long to see what most ppl think about it. Even big name players that played WOW for years are claiming MOP raids are some of the worst seen in any expansion. It will not hold ppl interested over the next 4-5 months until next tier is out. PPL will be leaving and playing better value games rather than doing dailies. Some might return for 5.2 but I guess most will simply remember the horror of dailies and see that 5.2 has new batch of them to gate their "content"
  1. Swizzle's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    MOntly subscription based game should offer content every month. Its that easy and with 10 million subs Blizzard has no excuse to not do that. OFC other than spending most of the WOW money and dev time on Titan.
    I'm sorry, what? Content EVERY MONTH? Who asks for that? Who can consume that? Such a request is borderline insulting at best, and insane at worst. The vast majority of the player base doesn't finish all the content of a patch now, how on earth would it be feasible to do it all in a month? Hell...you can't even develop and code content in that time and make it worth while. Basically what I'm saying is that you're wrong on every count, and you should probably step back a bit.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    I'm sorry, what? Content EVERY MONTH? Who asks for that? Who can consume that? Such a request is borderline insulting at best, and insane at worst. The vast majority of the player base doesn't finish all the content of a patch now, how on earth would it be feasible to do it all in a month? Hell...you can't even develop and code content in that time and make it worth while. Basically what I'm saying is that you're wrong on every count, and you should probably step back a bit.
    Not talking about 13 boss raid tier every month. Neither am I talking about adding new stuff to every aspect of the game every month. 1 fresh dungeon for 5 man content - new world boss and so on. Thats something that really would keep ppl coming back every month. The current format does not work. I think DS for 8 months just goes to show that. It was the first content with lfr - and now we are getting the second tier with that. It gives ppl the feeling they have done all the raid content and they will unsub cause waiting in LFR Qs and doing dailies with alts does not sound very interesting to most.

    The idea behind more content more frequent sounds good. BLizzard needs to get that feeling back that monthly sub is actually offering fresh content for that month. RIght now all expect 8 months of nothingness in between content patches. Great way to pay 2 months per year for the game as it is.
  1. Balir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by chaud View Post
    Blizzard you chickens!!!!!!!!

    On a less pervy side note: The Monk Tiers are right up there with some of the best stuff Blizz has done (imho)
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    I'm sorry, what? Content EVERY MONTH? Who asks for that? Who can consume that?
    Unemployed people? :<

    It's funny how Duster505 did not manage to answer my last post with statistics about why it would be a bad idea to release 5.2 right now, even if it would be already finished.
    As there is only a finite amount of content that can be created per month, there is also a finite amount of content the NORMAL player can consume. (Hardcores pretty much gobble everything right up, but guess what: they are NOT the bulk of the player base)

    Syncing up the development and consumption rates is where the optimum lies, and blizzard closely monitors this. Ofc, like in any REAL WORLD working environment, stupid stuff happens that delays releases. I don't think Blizzard really wanted a 12 months ICC or a 8 months DS. But stuff happened that forced them to delay. Hell Sunwell plateau was implemented because Wrath got delayed.

    Contrary to popular belief Blizzard is not out there to see how long they can torture people.
  1. Idletime's Avatar
    Did devs take into consideration how cost prohibitive upgrading is? its next to impossible to fully upgrade your BiS slots.
    One can argue maybe the game was better when everyone didn't have the expectation of BiS in every slot... (Source)
    Possibly Mr. Street's finest tweet in the history of ever since it looks like a watershed moment that he's finally acknowledged they created this monster when they stripped gating from raids, handed out gear through massive nerfs, handing out legendaries like candy and started playing the game "everyone's a winner". Good luck trying to put the #$!& back in the horse since WoW is now widely regarded as the least challenging of any MMO out there.

    People will make the demands of BIS because that's the carrot you put in this game after years of people looking at top end raider's gear and whining they never get to see the different raid tiers, subs will drop again, they'll cave, and everyone will get what they want because we just can't have a million whiners leave. Sucks because I like this title and I don't want to have to invest my time in another title atm.
  1. dotSeed's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    The customer knows what they want.
    "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." — Henry Ford.
  1. Znuff's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    WOW is on its last meters on so many levels now.
    You're funny.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Unemployed people? :<

    It's funny how Duster505 did not manage to answer my last post with statistics about why it would be a bad idea to release 5.2 right now, even if it would be already finished.
    As there is only a finite amount of content that can be created per month, there is also a finite amount of content the NORMAL player can consume. (Hardcores pretty much gobble everything right up, but guess what: they are NOT the bulk of the player base)

    Syncing up the development and consumption rates is where the optimum lies, and blizzard closely monitors this. Ofc, like in any REAL WORLD working environment, stupid stuff happens that delays releases. I don't think Blizzard really wanted a 12 months ICC or a 8 months DS. But stuff happened that forced them to delay. Hell Sunwell plateau was implemented because Wrath got delayed.

    Contrary to popular belief Blizzard is not out there to see how long they can torture people.
    I did not answer your last post cause it was not worth answering. Even if PTR comes up for 5.2 today everyone knows that the raid content will not be coming anytime soon - simply because its not close to ready. PTR coming up is just PR from Blizz and probably mainly focused on getting better PVP balance tested.

    It does not matter why ppl were stuck with ICC for 12 months and DS for 8. They failed to deliver content with regular intervals like ppl expected. Like subscribers expect.

    And just so you know - I work full time job and have a family to feed. Thats why I expect a computer game that I pay monthly subscription for to actually allow me to play the game when I come online for the little spare time I have. I have finished the normal raiding tier pretty easily with 3 raiding days per week. I have seen more of the "content" than most of the unemployed nubs have. But I will not waste 1 min more of my spare time while the developers leave the game in its current state of horrible managment including hour long LFRs Qs because they failed to support a strong trinity based gameplay. Instead they went full out DPS support in scenarios and daily quests and Brawlers guild. Alts might be getting past the first hurdle of rep grinds - but 1 hour of LFR Qs will force most ppl out next few weeks and months.
  1. TheWindWalker's Avatar
    I take it there's no news on what the set bonuses are?
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    but 1 hour of LFR Qs will force most ppl out next few weeks and months.
    Doubtful.
    People may bitch and moan, like you do, but most won't quit for good.
    This may come as a newsflash to you, but many people don't play / subscribe continuously. They do what they want after a patch release, and when they're done they unsub till the next patch.
    Blizzard stated themselves that subscription numbers aren't as static as most people believe.

    Just out of curiosity: If you're a raider, why do you care about stuff like Brawlers guild, Scenarios and LFR-Queues? It's not exactly your type of content anyway.
    If you finished normal raiding easily, the next logical step would be heroic raiding.
    I just want to know why you bitch so much about WoW being "mean" to tanks and healers, when it's actually the most accommodating MMO out there. oO

    Scenario as a healer: No probs, let your guild mates go crazy.
    Daily questing as healer: No probs, let your group-mate play "all you can add". Most quest drops are shared now, so it doesn't even take longer to "farm 6 bracelets". (Don't try to bullshit me here, I'm doing these quests with a tank friend every day and it is way faster than doing them alone as a cloth dps)

    Brawlers guild is the only thing you really can't do as a non-DPS, but imho the fact of queuing for a battle and having people watch what you do is not very appealing anyway.
    Besides: If I understand it right, it doesn't award anything but achievements.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Doubtful.
    People may bitch and moan, like you do, but most won't quit for good.
    This may come as a newsflash to you, but many people don't play / subscribe continuously. They do what they want after a patch release, and when they're done they unsub till the next patch.
    Blizzard stated themselves that subscription numbers aren't as static as most people believe.

    Just out of curiosity: If you're a raider, why do you care about stuff like Brawlers guild, Scenarios and LFR-Queues? It's not exactly your type of content anyway.
    If you finished normal raiding easily, the next logical step would be heroic raiding.
    I just want to know why you bitch so much about WoW being "mean" to tanks and healers, when it's actually the most accommodating MMO out there. oO

    Scenario as a healer: No probs, let your guild mates go crazy.
    Daily questing as healer: No probs, let your group-mate play "all you can add". Most quest drops are shared now, so it doesn't even take longer to "farm 6 bracelets". (Don't try to bullshit me here, I'm doing these quests with a tank friend every day and it is way faster than doing them alone as a cloth dps)

    Brawlers guild is the only thing you really can't do as a non-DPS, but imho the fact of queuing for a battle and having people watch what you do is not very appealing anyway.
    Besides: If I understand it right, it doesn't award anything but achievements.
    WOW is trying to counter GW2 with supporting DPS to the top this expansion. Other roles in the game are suffering and it leads to less balance overall in the game. . Alot of guilds are struggling big time to fill needed roles. As for me - My guild lost 4 players in the last 2 weeks to RIFT. 3 healers and main tank. More ppl are leaving and we no longer even bother to do raids. And my guild is not the only one. Its happening all over the game.

    As for why I feel MOP is unfriendly to Tanks, healers and multi-role characters? It is. Dailies are created to be most efficient for DPS - scenarios were added to shorten the LFD Qs. And MOP launched with least amount of 5 man trinity dungeons ever. But now... few months into the game - LFR Qs have grown endless cause of all of the DPS focus. And even worse... because of the role loot system where the few tanks and healers that are left are actually Qing up as DPS to get gear for Dailies and Brawlers Guild.

    If you do the math - you can easily find out how bad the valor upgrade system will be for players that are playing 2 roles equally. Those players will always be on avarage about 20 item lvls lower in both roles. Thats why many are now going RIFT because of strong support for multiroles.

    As for Brawlers guild... it not a question about what it offers... its a question about locking ppl out of PVE content in the game based on role you play. It was the last straw for alot of players cause it showed how Blizzard had put zero thought into balancing the core of the game. And the core of WOW is and has always been based on roles. They lost it now - and it can be very hard to get ppl back. Specially tanks and healers that are good enough to bother with top end content.
  1. darkhorse1382's Avatar
    "One can argue maybe the game was better when everyone didn't have the expectation of BiS in every slot..."

    When was this? Vanilla? I've gone after BiS every expansion after that and have even gotten it in the last 2. I really want to find it now, but in the past I have definitely seen blue posts about class balance that say they use end raiding gear to make those balancing decisions. This especially hurts classes that gear helps more than others that find themselves at the bottom of damage or healing until they finally get that full tier set and can be on equal footing. A lot of blue posts in the last year or so have been similar to this. They seem like they are just little bandaids to cover up the big problems, and even then they feel like they get REALLY defensive about it. This and a lot of other blue tweets and posts have just angered me and I'll stop now before I get too riled up again!
  1. Sidone's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    I did not answer your last post cause it was not worth answering. Even if PTR comes up for 5.2 today everyone knows that the raid content will not be coming anytime soon - simply because its not close to ready. PTR coming up is just PR from Blizz and probably mainly focused on getting better PVP balance tested.

    It does not matter why ppl were stuck with ICC for 12 months and DS for 8. They failed to deliver content with regular intervals like ppl expected. Like subscribers expect.

    And just so you know - I work full time job and have a family to feed. Thats why I expect a computer game that I pay monthly subscription for to actually allow me to play the game when I come online for the little spare time I have. I have finished the normal raiding tier pretty easily with 3 raiding days per week. I have seen more of the "content" than most of the unemployed nubs have. But I will not waste 1 min more of my spare time while the developers leave the game in its current state of horrible managment including hour long LFRs Qs because they failed to support a strong trinity based gameplay. Instead they went full out DPS support in scenarios and daily quests and Brawlers guild. Alts might be getting past the first hurdle of rep grinds - but 1 hour of LFR Qs will force most ppl out next few weeks and months.
    And you fucking broke the system cuz you could not controll your self and replied. Hello mmo-champ forums. If you have a family you should reconsider your damn priorities. I know is catering to the casuals but wtf. 1 Hour of lfr que? Did your placebo pill make that up? Read your shit before you post it. I guess you are one of the sunwell-gate haters too. Oh wait you we're never there.
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